[Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
It seems none of the tutorials start far enough at the back for me... Lukas Renggli wrote me: I suggest that you start with the Squeak-Dev image of Damien. http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/ Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside After evaluating WAKom startOn: 8080 you should have running Seaside on http://localhost:8080/seaside;. I downloaded the file sq3.9-7067dev07.10.1.zip from that site and unpacked it. The package contains no squeak.exe, only the image and the changes. So I downloaded Squeak3.9-win32.zip from somewhere else I found, and it contains a squeak.exe I can open the .exe file, but I don't know how to get it to use Damien's image. Actually, I can't follow Lukas' next instructions, because I have no idea what Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside means. Are those classes inside Damien's image? or subdirectories somewhere I can't find? or totally-obvious-to-someone-else shortcut descriptions of commands? I hope someone has the patience to help me through this. p.s. I'm running Windows XP thanks Alistair Cockburn, Humans and Technology, Inc. 801.582.3162 1814 Ft Douglas Cir, Salt Lake City, UT 84103 http://alistair.cockburn.us/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/how-do-I-get-Seaside-up-on-my-Squeak--tf4604864.html#a13148710 Sent from the Squeak - Beginners mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
Il giorno mer, 10/10/2007 alle 23.59 -0700, Alistair Cockburn ha scritto: It seems none of the tutorials start far enough at the back for me... Lukas Renggli wrote me: I suggest that you start with the Squeak-Dev image of Damien. http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/ Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside After evaluating WAKom startOn: 8080 you should have running Seaside on http://localhost:8080/seaside;. I downloaded the file sq3.9-7067dev07.10.1.zip from that site and unpacked it. The package contains no squeak.exe, only the image and the changes. So I downloaded Squeak3.9-win32.zip from somewhere else I found, and it contains a squeak.exe I can open the .exe file, but I don't know how to get it to use Damien's image. Actually, I can't follow Lukas' next instructions, because I have no idea what Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside means. Are those classes inside Damien's image? or subdirectories somewhere I can't find? or totally-obvious-to-someone-else shortcut descriptions of commands? I hope someone has the patience to help me through this. p.s. I'm running Windows XP Hi Alistair, the easiest thing is to copy the squeak.exe and the SqueakFFIPrims.dll files in the same folder as Damien's image. Then drag and drop the .image file over squeak.exe. This should be enough to run the image (I'm on Linux, so I can't check). Once the image is running, it will show you the Squeak desktop window. There's also an option for running the image headless, so don't worry about it if you're planning to run that image on a server. Damien's image will show up with two Morphic windows already open: the Script Manager and the Preferences Browser. Close them by left-clicking on the 'X' button or minimize them by left-clicking on the 'O' button. Once you've cleared the desktop, left-click anywhere on it to bring up the main menu. From there, select Open...-Universe Browser. Once the universe browser window is open, select Web Development and the select the Seaside version you want to install (for example, Seaside 2.7.227). Click on the Select package button to select it for installation, the click on the Install selections button at the bottom of the window. Once the system has finished loading, you will have a working Seaside installation. Ciao, Giovanni ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] Delete translations
Hello, I am learning the use of NaturalLanguageTranslator, I'm testing with an etoys-dev-2.2 image (OLPC), It is very easy to add languages, merge, etc, but I do not find how to delete one of them. Another question: Which is Babel function? Thanks in advance. ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] Delete translations
On Oct 11, 2007, at 9:59 , antonio wrote: Hello, I am learning the use of NaturalLanguageTranslator, I'm testing with an etoys-dev-2.2 image (OLPC), Actually, we do not use NLT anymore for OLPC. We exported all translations to po files: https://translations.launchpad.net/etoys/first-deployment/+pots/etoys This lets use use the gettext translation tools that are the standard in Linux. It is very easy to add languages, merge, etc, but I do not find how to delete one of them. Another question: Which is Babel function? Not sure what the question is. - Bert - ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] Delete translations
Thanks, Bert. I am learning the use of NaturalLanguageTranslator, I'm testing with an etoys-dev-2.2 image (OLPC), Actually, we do not use NLT anymore for OLPC. We exported all translations to po files: https://translations.launchpad.net/etoys/first-deployment/+pots/etoys This lets use use the gettext translation tools that are the standard in Linux. yes, I know, but I load: desktop menu... / open / language editor and now I can do both, isn't it?: - I can load po files with gettext button (up on the right) - I can load *.translation files with load and with merge buttons Besides: - I can add word/translated word pairs with add button and after this I can do gettext export (that's because sometimes I introduce 'tatatatatat' translated at any method and the expression does not appear inside the right column, so I put on the other side manually). This mixed use can create problems to me? translations will be OUT of the image file? etoys-dev-2.2.image has translations inside or they are only at squeak/po/subdirectories? I can load german language by menu but I have not any *.de at my squeak/po/subdirectories, so I'm confusing. that's the question because I wanted to clean translations information from NLT, it's easy to load after anyway. It is very easy to add languages, merge, etc, but I do not find how to delete one of them. About Babel (Preferences... menu), which is the diference between translationWithBabel activated or not? Thanks again ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
It seems none of the tutorials start far enough at the back for me... Lukas Renggli wrote me: I suggest that you start with the Squeak-Dev image of Damien. http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/ Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside After evaluating WAKom startOn: 8080 you should have running Seaside on http://localhost:8080/seaside;. I downloaded the file sq3.9-7067dev07.10.1.zip from that site and unpacked it. The package contains no squeak.exe, on the image and the changes. So I downloaded Squeak3.9-win32.zip from somewhere else I found, and it contains a squeak.exe I can open the .exe file, but I don't know how to get it to use Damien's image. Actually, I can't follow Lukas' next instructions, because I have no idea what Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside means. Are those classes inside Damien's image? or subdirectories someone I can't find? or implicitly obvious to someone else shortcut descriptions of commands? I hope someone has the patience to help me through this. p.s. I'm running Windows XP thanks Alistair Cockburn, Humans and Technology, Inc. 801.582.3162 1814 Ft Douglas Cir, Salt Lake City, UT 84103 http://alistair.cockburn.us/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
Giovanni Corriga wrote: Il giorno mer, 10/10/2007 alle 23.59 -0700, Alistair Cockburn ha scritto: the easiest thing is to copy the squeak.exe and the SqueakFFIPrims.dll files in the same folder as Damien's image. Then drag and drop the .image file over squeak.exe. This should be enough to run the image (I'm on Linux, so I can't check). Interesting --- I had tried that, but since I hadn't worked out the rest of the instructions, I didn't notice anything different from starting ordinary Squeak. The rest was all very explicit, thanks... here's the sort of thing I'm running into (this is now-solved, but I imagine there are others following me who will make similar mistakes. It took me 5 minutes to work out how to do Giovanni Corriga wrote: select Web Development and select the Seaside version you want to install (for example, Seaside 2.7.227). The difficulty was understanding how the selection business works in Squeak. I kept clicking and double-clicking the text Web Development (the Windows habit) and all that would happen is the text would highlight and un-highlight. To my Windows-adapted eyes, the buttons don't look like buttons, they look like they could be anything. I clicked around on everything I could anyway. In the end, almost by accident, as I was giving up, I double-clicked on the little solid triangle to the left of the phrase Web Development and there was a flash of text on the screen as the list opened and closed, and something happened in one of the button areas ... and from that I was able to work out to go back and fiddle with the little triangle some more. After that, it all worked as described, including loading a bunch of stuff, getting my name and password for config and I now have run config inside Firefox locally, and have something that says Seaside showing on Firefox. The only reason I belabor this is to indicate the area of confusion a person (I can't be that atypical) will have coming to Squeak. I used Digitalk Smalltalk for 10 years (1987 - 1996), but that doesn't help me understand all the little visual conventions that are known to practiced Squeak users, let alone the Morphic interface (which I will have to face up to someday). In all cases, many thanks for taking the time to be so explicit. It would of course be much simpler to find someone to sit and do this with - I only wish there were such a person here in Salt Lake City. (If any of you know such a person, let me know!) Alistair Cockburn -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/how-do-I-get-Seaside-up-on-my-Squeak--tf4604864.html#a13158096 Sent from the Squeak - Beginners mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
Hi Alistair: I tried Lukas' instructions and got the Seaside running ( on Windows XP). I used the web version of the 3.10 beta image available here: http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-web/ Download this image into the same directory where you have Squeak 3.9.exe. Either by double-clicking the web-image or dropping it on the exe, you will get it running. The indication that you got the right version is that the Squeak desktop will have a welcome window with documentation and a Preference Browser opened. You can close these and pull out a workspace. Now execute WAKom startOn: 8080 as per Lukas' instructions and proceed. Hope this helps. By the way, this was my first posting on this mailing list. Thank you. Cheers, Prashanth Hebbar On 10/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems none of the tutorials start far enough at the back for me... Lukas Renggli wrote me: I suggest that you start with the Squeak-Dev image of Damien. http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/ Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside After evaluating WAKom startOn: 8080 you should have running Seaside on http://localhost:8080/seaside;. I downloaded the file sq3.9-7067dev07.10.1.zip from that site and unpacked it. The package contains no squeak.exe, on the image and the changes. So I downloaded Squeak3.9-win32.zip from somewhere else I found, and it contains a squeak.exe I can open the .exe file, but I don't know how to get it to use Damien's image. Actually, I can't follow Lukas' next instructions, because I have no idea what Open - Universe Browser - Web Development - Seaside means. Are those classes inside Damien's image? or subdirectories someone I can't find? or implicitly obvious to someone else shortcut descriptions of commands? I hope someone has the patience to help me through this. p.s. I'm running Windows XP thanks Alistair Cockburn, Humans and Technology, Inc. 801.582.3162 1814 Ft Douglas Cir, Salt Lake City, UT 84103 http://alistair.cockburn.us/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170and Make AOL Your Homepagehttp://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 . ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
RE: [Newbies] how do I get Seaside up on my Squeak?
Hi, It's nice that your first post is to help someone else! It's very nice to have you here, welcome!! Ron Teitelbaum From: Prashanth Hebbar Hope this helps. By the way, this was my first posting on this mailing list. Thank you. Cheers, Prashanth Hebbar ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] Delete translations
Hi Antonio, It is very easy to add languages, merge, etc, but I do not find how to delete one of them. If your question is about a word, there is a button named remove. If the question is about a language, there is no UI but you can do it: NaturalLanguageTranslator removeLocaleID: (LocaleID isoString: 'tlh') This mixed use can create problems to me? translations will be OUT of the image file? etoys-dev-2.2.image has translations inside or they are only at squeak/po/subdirectories? I can load german language by menu but I have not any *.de at my squeak/po/subdirectories, so I'm confusing. Now we use NaturalLanguageTranslator only for internal use. It will be replaced more gettext compatible way. Meanwhile, you can use the language editor, but I recommend to get used to gettext tools. Now translation data is in the image as a cache. So you don't need external po file. But this behavior might be changed. About Babel (Preferences... menu), which is the diference between /translationWithBabel/ activated or not? Babel is old name of NaturalLanguageTranslator. This preference is no more used. Thanks for informing about it. Cheers, - Takashi ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] Using Local Date Settings
I am looking for information on how to get squeak to use the locale settings for dates. I have found the Locale classes, but I can't make sense of how to use it to set squeak wide settings either based on the OS or some parameter I can pass in. As an example, if I use '05/10/2007' asDate, I get a Date object of '10 May 2007' rather than '5 October 2007'. I could code it myself, but surely someone has done this already. I appreciate any help or documentation. Thanks, Jack Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
