Tripping Berners
Hi Everybody! Could anyone help dealing with a tripping Bernie? I have a 4 year old Berner. He is my first dog, but I'm his second owner. He has a bad habit of taking trips on his own. The former owners had a little care for him, so when he was bored, he were gone for days throughout the suburbs of our town. We live in a detached house next to a forest, railway and roads with high traffic so it is dangerous to allow such days out. I don't know how to deal with him, because it is cruelty to keep such an agile hound in a house, not mentioned the danger to our food stores when he is in. he doesn't want to hear about leash our anything like this. The former owners tried to keep him chained, but he was so strong to be able to broke it. So when we tried tried only to use a leash, he didn't let us and went for another trip. We have a small fence, and nothing is impossible for him, when he is gotta go. Does anyone know, how to keep him at home without rude methods? Thanks for your help. Ps.: The words he understands: COME!!! Scooby snacks! Sit! Wait! Lay down! (we don't have to tell him this because he is always sleeping when he's at home.) With Berner, Andras and Dezso _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Spay
- Original Message - From: Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Spay An article in the August 2002 Dogfancy about ACL injuries states Sta iscally, ACL, injuries occur most often in dogs between the ages of 7 and 10, with a higher incidence in neutered dogs, though experts don't know why. My first thought as to WHY is that neutered animals are more often involved in activities that may cause an ACL tear, such as agility or jumping. The fact that the animal is neutered does not have any bearing on the increase in ACL injuries, it is the fact that they are out there doing their stuff. MY 2 cents Pauline Merrick Rustic Farm Brimfield, MA
Question re Flexi leads
To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? Ninety-five percent of the time when we're out and about, Jake would not abuse the added freedom the Flexi lead would afford him. However, that other five percent of the time, when a squirrel or another dog beckons ! Till now we've been using a 6-foot leather lead. Any input would be appreciated. Maureen Barry Montreal, Quebec __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Flexis and Buddy
Hi Maureen, It is not so much the strength of a Flexi as the strength of your arm. Buddy is 115 pounds too. When he lunges to chase a deer, I've found it best to drop the lead or suffer (and I do mean suffer) the consequences. Thankfully he merely chases the deer off his turf. I have also learned to pretend I still have him on lead and NOT to say the dreaded command Come -- I merely slap my forehead as if stunned, turn and head briskly for the house all the while saying rather loudly, I must have the handsomest most brave, most courageous Berner in all Bernerdom. I can't believe Buddy chased that awful Monster away. Holy maracas!! Several more stunned slaps on the forehead and voilá! Buddy flies to my side expecting a treat for his feat of bravery. I also have an Ace in my pocket: Daisy. Should Buddy put a mere claw outside of Daisy's perceived boundaries, she herds him right to my side, flips him onto his back (I should add that Daisy weighs a mere 75 pounds) and nails him. He is never in doubt as to who is alpha. Now that I think about it, this advice may not be all that helpful. sigh. Maria Catoctin Mountains of Maryland - Original Message - From: Maureen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Question re Flexi leads To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? Ninety-five percent of the time when we're out and about, Jake would not abuse the added freedom the Flexi lead would afford him. However, that other five percent of the time, when a squirrel or another dog beckons ! Till now we've been using a 6-foot leather lead. Any input would be appreciated. Maureen Barry Montreal, Quebec __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re: Seasonal gardening disorder?
I wrote: What is it about a little snow that makes a previously very well-behaved Berner completely lose his mind and think that it's appropriate to dig up the bulbs and uproot established plants? Then Liz wrote: Perhaps he thinks you completely lost YOUR mind and forgot to dig them up for safekeeping over the winter ;-) After all, it gets quite cold up there! Now I write: Aahhh! So I was correct in assuming, three weeks ago when I was planting the bulbs, that Jake was helping me by grabbing the bag of bulbs - 100 of them - and taking off with it, scattering them around the yard! He obviously thought they'd look better naturalized throughout the lawn! Thanks for the tip! Maureen Montreal, Quebec __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re:introduction on ADSL
Re: Bloating and burping
In a message dated 11/5/2002 9:59:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are many ways to slow down a greedy eater and my favorite has been to use my large puppy dish that is raised in the middle, or you can use a large flat pan with a large rock in the middle. When Misha came to live w/us she ate so quickly. My veterinarian suggested putting the food in a large cake pan or cookie sheet then put her bones kongs around so she would have to push the toys around to get her food. I even put the food inside the kongs sterilized bones. She slowed down w/time now she doesn't eat nearly as fast as she did when she 1st came home. Beth Schmoyer Snowden Misha BARC's Alot Bethlehem, PA
early s/n
I have been looking at the early s/n data, and believe there is good evidence that it is easy and fast, safe when done properly, and that there does not seem to be significant differences in appearance and health in early s/n dogs. What I am wondering is it anyone knows of any evidence that reports on the impact of early s/n on future orthopedic clearances. Much of the early s/n work has been done by Humane Associations, and the pets that have had early s/n by Humane Associations are generally not checked for hip and elbow clearances. Studies do indicate that early s/n results in increased long bone length, and so it makes me wonder whether these subtle changes in bone growth might have implications of hip and elbow joint formation. Does anyone have any information about this issue? Thanks, Mary-Ann Bowman Utah
RE: Spay
Hello Carol, I have done early spays on 13 litters, all berners. I have not had the unfortunate to have any of them require ACL surgery. But, a question I always ask when there is an ACL issue is whether the lines have had a tendency toward this and is the conformation such that the dogs are a bit straighter in stifle and or long in hocks. It seems to me the dogs we have produced that have this similar conformation, are generally out of one line that has this type of conformation and seem to be more active when running around seem to be the ones with ACL injuries. Just some more thoughts on the issues... Sincerely, Lisa Ebnet and the Furry Berner Crew in Ferndale, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Carol [mailto:gocargo6;attbi.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spay Here's my two cents on the s/n question. I had Holli spayed at six months which my breeder thought was a little early. Since BMD's mature slowly. At three years Holli blew her knee and had to have surgery. Before I got Annie I had decided to wait a little longer to spay (my contract says before 1 year.)Annie's mother didn't have her first season until she was two. An article in the August 2002 Dogfancy about ACL injuries states Sta iscally, ACL, injuries occur most often in dogs between the ages of 7 and 10, with a higher incidence in neutered dogs, though experts don't know why. So I am going to stick by my decision to wait until she is nine months old. Carol Holli and Annie
Re: Berner Puppy?
Tanya, You did it just right! Just by sending the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - we all see it! What part of the world do you live in? And what are your expectations for a puppy - did you want one as a family companion, or did you also want to do obedience competition, or show in conformation, or go on to breed some day? Let us know what your interests are, and we'll try to help you find club events for you to meet breeders. That's the best way - cause you also get to see and pet plenty of dogs!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Question re Flexi leads
I always used a Flexi with Riot, and didn't have any problem. On the odd occasion he would race after something, I'd call to him to stop - call very quickly! You can also (kind of) push on the button on the Flexi to kind of slow it down a bit (creates a bit of a drag on the line). It's very touchy, so you might want to practice. Last resort, I'd start running and pull back to slow him down. Last, last resort, I'd let go! :-) The sound of the Flexi dragging usually made him stop and turn around to see what the noise was. Then I could get his attention for a sit so I could walk up and grab the Flexi again. Dana Pero Simon the PWC (who's marked like a Berner, but a little short!) Remembering Riot always Tustin, CA
Re: Question re Flexi leads
In a message dated 11/5/2002 10:18:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, I'd be more concerned about your shoulder holding up than the flexi chord ;-} So long as it's not chewed, the flexi chord is very strong...but seriously, you have to use a flexi with care. Unchecked, your dog can build up quite a head of steam in that 16 ft resulting in either injury to you or a dropped leash. I use flexis all the time, but I do keep an eye out for squirrels, other dogs, other people...and I keep an eye on my dog's body language. The point of all this 'awareness' is to get my dog focused on me BEFORE he takes off after a squirrel or in tangled up (in play or otherwise) with another dog. By and large, my dogs know to control their pace while on the flexi, but if one starts gaiting out...I alway use the leash 'brake' BEFORE they get to the end. This helps to control them and keep my shoulder intact (no laughing matter after 14 weeks of PT, cortisone injection, and still the possibility of surgery). or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? I know plenty of people who've bought the webbed flexi, but no one who uses it g. The problem is that it's very heavy and cumbersome...most people just don't like it. -Sherri Venditti
Re: Seasonal gardening disorder?
In a message dated 11/5/2002 10:53:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aahhh! So I was correct in assuming, three weeks ago when I was planting the bulbs, that Jake was helping me by grabbing the bag of bulbs - 100 of them - and taking off with it, scattering them around the yard! He obviously thought they'd look better naturalized throughout the lawn! Thanks for the tip! More tips g... Keep an eye on the bulbs, many kinds are toxic. And don't even think about using bonemeal or other organic fertilizer! Your berner will think you've done a buffet spread just for him. -Sherri Venditti
Re: Looking forward to Sunday's Berner Walk
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Re: Question re Flexi leads
I find the webbed version, despite price, much nicer not only in resistance but also in case it ever gets tangled around yr legs or other dog´s legs. My Mali has a webbed flexi and a lab I used to walk had the cord and it hurt incredibly any time it got tangled! Simone Brasilia Brazil - Original Message - From: Maureen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Question re Flexi leads To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? Ninety-five percent of the time when we're out and about, Jake would not abuse the added freedom the Flexi lead would afford him. However, that other five percent of the time, when a squirrel or another dog beckons ! Till now we've been using a 6-foot leather lead. Any input would be appreciated. Maureen Barry Montreal, Quebec __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re: Cooper Comes Home
Lindsay, Congrats on your new boy!!! I got Smokey a short 8 months ago and I know how exciting it is. I am a graduate student so I do most of my work from home. I was worried that Smokey would be really upset and noisy when I left and since i live in a duplex, I was worried about our neighbor. Well, somebody on the list suggested that I try giving him something he only gets when I am out (say a Kong filled with peanut butter, etc.) It worked like a charm. I introduced it by putting him in his crate with his toy and just going out of site while he was distracted. Now it is gotten to the point where he is actually excited when I am going, and by the time I get home he is done with his treat and happy to see me. Saves me a lot of guilty feelings!! Good luck and take LOTS of pictures! Radha -Original Message Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:14:31 +0100 Subject: Cooper Comes Home! From: Lindsay Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase | Download File ] Hi everyone! Before I tell you all the details of the new addition to the family, I must say that I have been religiously reading the list now (every day) for at least a month and a half! This, of course, has given me great insight to the world of the BMD and it really is great to hear experiences from such wonderful, caring owners that you all are! I can tell you that I am sure that I will have many, many questions to ask and in addition to asking our breeders for answers, just know in advance, that I will consult all of you, too! :) Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated throughout Cooper's life! So, with that said...I have wonderful news! My 10 week old bouncing baby berner came home this Sunday! My husband and I moved to Switzerland at the end of June from Florida (BIG change!!) and we have always loved the BMD's! We decided before we moved to Switzerland permanently, that because we were finally in the heart of 'BMD land', now was a perfect opportunity to have a new addition to our little family! We did SO much research before selecting the perfect breeders! Thanks to the help of our German and English speaking friend and several trips around Switzerland, we found the most wonderful Swiss-German breeders just outside of Bern! (Luckily their daughter acted as a translator, too!) They are the best I've ever seen...so loving to their dogs, so professional and so very responsible. Their dogs were extremely well behaved, loyal and HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY!!! Once the puppies were born, hubby and I went to visit each weekend and really got to know their personalities. It was absolutely amazing at how we just kind of picked each other! His registered name is in German...I'm really not sure how to say it or even write it, but they nicknamed him Yonko (You can see why we liked Cooper better, right?) His mother and father and well, heck, his whole family, are very-well decorated and very sweet Berners but they all have tough names! Anyway, Cooper would come running out first ahead of his siblings each time we came to see him and greeted us with several kisses and tail wags that seemed to almost knock him off balance! We really bonded with him as well as his whole family! On Sunday when we took him home, he was so good. I sat in the back with him just to comfort him and he slept the whole way. Little Cooper seems to miss the company of this brothers and sisters as well as his mom and grand mom right now. He cries a little at night-time and also when he thinks he's alone. My husband (good man that he is) took the day off from work yesterday to help with his new son! We are really working hard at trying to establish a daily routine for Cooper. He is our first Berner and I truly can say he is unbelievably smart already! This is day 2 and he just walked right into the crate to take a nap. He seemed a little unsure of the crate the first day...I'm sure it was all the confusion of new surroundings and smells. Probably some separation anxiety as well. Speaking of separation anxiety, I know and understand that it is very, very early and that he is still getting used to his new home, but will this eventually subside? I will be staying home with him everyday which I know is fantastic for him. I guess my biggest fear is that he will get so used to me being here that when I go to the store or to take hubby to the airport, he will hate being alone. What is the best method of training him to be by himself for these short trips without crying. (The Swiss are VERY aware of all their neighbors and value their quiet-time!) We are going outside to do business about every 2 to 3 hours so far--even at night we take turns. I have to get used to the non-Florida weather here! Last night I groggily got out of bed and when I opened the door, was blasted with 40 degree wow-that-will-wake-you-up weather!
Looking for vet
Does anyone know of a good vet in the Los Altos area of Northern California who will do OFA X-rays without anesthesia? Thanks Cheryl Trapani
Re: Info
Does anyone have the URL for the information on early spay/neuter study that was do at one of the Vet schools, maybe Purdue or Pittsburgh. I'm trying to convince a PPO that there puppy would not be a midget if they end up getting one from us. :-) Ray Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,Boomer,Bell Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Berner Walk
Sorry Gang I had the wrong day. Kathleen emailed me, along with several others, that the walk is set for Saturday. Please accept my apologies. I wrote it on the calendar, long, long ago. :( Hope this didn't cause too much confusion. Barb __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
Re: Question re Flexi leads
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:17:30 -0800 (PST) Maureen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment A story - Years ago I had a problem with my Granville bolting out the door. I put him on a flexi when we got ready to go out the door and when I opened it and he bolted I held on with both hands as he charged full speed to the end of it. He was only about 100# but at that speed I couldn't hold on and he popped the lead out of my hands as it flipped him backwards into the air. I still have that flexi 10yrs later and am using it with other dogs. Whether it stops you dog will depend on if you can hold on. BTW, Granville quit bolting out of doors Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
NJ Fall Walk, Saturday November 9th
Reposted in plain text Bernese Mountain Dog Club of Watchung Annual Fall Berner Walk This SATURDAY, November 9, 2002 Time: 11:00 am Allaire State Park Rte 524, Wall, New Jersey RAIN OR SHINE Allaire Village is a charming historic village and State Park in Monmouth County, Central Jersey; just minutes from major highway Rte 195. DIRECTIONS: From Route 195 take exit 16 B (follow large signs for Alliare State Park) to Route 547 North for less than 1/2 mile, then turn right onto Route 524 go one mile to main park entrance on right. Please park in the Nature Center lot, which is the first parking area on the right. We will gather under the trees at the back of the lot and leave for our walk at 11:15. Note: the rest rooms are at the end of the main parking lot, please use them prior to parking in the Nature Center lot. For any dog who wants to pull a cart, there are concrete sidewalks, two wooden bridges, but mostly wide dirt and stone roads through the woods. A few notes: this is a nature preserve; leave nothing behind but footprints. Doggie clean up bags will be made available to everyone, please use them. Horses have the right of way, so you must yield to any you see. No picking flowers/or harming vegetation. There is no formal rest stops along the route, but you are welcome to walk, stop, chat or whatever along the way. After our walk, we will have a brief talk about first aid for dogs, along with a handout list of necessities for a kit and information on other important medical subjects. Note: although there is camping available at the park, they do NOT allow dogs. Kathleen Shields Kasbern BMD's Jackson, NJ
dhlpp shots
When I was vaccinating my litter a year ago I called Jean Dodds at Hemopet to find out the best way to vaccinate them without over doing it. She suggested just parvo and distemper then rabies as close to 6 months as possible depending on the law. The puppies got a round of shots at 7.5 weeks before going to their new owners, then the owners followed up at 12 and 16 weeks with the same 2 vaccinations. One did vaccinate for rabies at 16 weeks as they live in the country and have had rabid animals in their county, all other pups were about 6 months old. My vet uses the same 2 vaccinations plus a third one - began with an a - sorry I cannot remember it - so I had him order Introvet Pro-Guard Puppy for me as recommended by Dr. Dodds. Both Dr. Dodds and my vet said there are such low chances in hlp that unless there is an outbreak in the area or the dog would be traveling to an area where the chance of these is high, there was no need to over-vaccinate. She also recommended titring at one year versus automatically vaccinating. I titred my 3 year old when he turned 2 - he had only had his puppy and 1 year boosters - his titres were high enough that we did not vaccinate at 2 years. He will be titred again this spring. Check your area for what diseases may exist before deciding for or against certain vaccines but in Virginia, the distemper and parvo then rabies is all they need according to these vets. Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA
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RE: Question re Flexi leads
Maureen, I use a 10 yr. old Blue Flexi leash. It has always been able to hold a Berner (we are on our 3rd BMD, 2 rehomes and an SPCA rescue). The first BMD worked that leash for all it was worth - in out, in out. The 2nd was the best dog I ever walked on leash (former owner sent him to Obedience classes). Our current was 165 lbs when we got him from the SPCA and he was not leash trained at all (he's down to below 130 lbs now and still losing weight - target is 100 lbs). The Flexi leash has taken it all, even though it's the Up to 50 lbs model. If and when it breaks, I will definitely buy another. But I think I'll get the Red model then! :-) The nice thing about the Flexi-Leash is that you have a choice between letting the dog be a dog and sniff, sniff, sniff or have them Heel when needed or desired. Later, Carl Skip Seibert Williamsburg, VA Visit Skip's Berner Links at: http://www.widomaker.com/~seibert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-berner-l;prairienet.org]On Behalf Of Maureen Barry Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question re Flexi leads To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a Snip
Re: Tripping Berners
- Original Message - From: András Boros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Tripping Berners Hi Everybody! Could anyone help dealing with a tripping Bernie? I have a 4 year old Berner. He is my first dog, but I'm his second owner. He has a bad habit of taking trips on his own. The former owners had a little care for him, so when he was bored, he were gone for days throughout the suburbs of our town. We live in a detached house next to a forest, railway and roads with high traffic so it is dangerous to allow such days out. Absolutely he should not be let to wander at will. You get a dead dog that way in this day and age of traffic, etc. I don't know how to deal with him, because it is cruelty to keep such an agile hound in a house, not mentioned the danger to our food stores when he is in. It is not cruel to keep a dog sometimes in the house, and take him for long walks/allow him out to the FENCED yard to play. My Berner prefers to be with us than to use his dog door and go into the fenced portion of the yard; my Newf is the same way, but my Pyrs both spend large amounts of time outside on the deck or in the yard. You should put your food up where he cannot get it--I have child locks on lower cupboards so that the dogs cannot get into chemicals or other things stored that might hurt them. Garbage is stored in a closet until the bag fills, then is taken outside to a safe area for the large cans. Just as with a child, you must arrange the living situation for ease, saftey, and comfort. Fence in as much of your yard as you can with a six foot fence, so he can be let out to stretch. If you like, get a dog door so he can come in and out as he pleases (I LOVE my dog door!). he doesn't want to hear about leash our anything like this. You both need to enroll in a good dog training class so he can learn some manners and you can learn how to shape his behavior positivly and thus you will all be happier. Long walks or jogging together (using a leash for safety and control) is healthful for both dog and person. Good luck! Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002
Re: Question re Flexi leads
- Original Message - From: Maureen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? When we kicked up a deer, my 130 lbs Newfie bitch hit the end of the flexi at a full gallop. Other than me taking some really big steps until I got her attention back, nothing bad happened. The leash has stood up to my guys for years now. They are polite almost always, but they do test it often enough for me to think they are pretty darn strong. I have the largest, heaviest, longest flexi's they make. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002
Re: Humping male pup
- Original Message - From: J.M.S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Humping male pup I have a 12 weeks old male bernese. He has started to hump peoples legs ? Why would he being doing this ? He seems to be more attracted to males rather than females when he does this ? I know its not a sexual thing I am thinking its more of a dominance thing. It is a dominance thing, most likely, and since he is still quite a little guy, you need to nip his desire to be the big boss right now. You need to redirect him into serving behaviors--make him sit, lie down, come, stay, shake hands, whatever so that YOU are the one asserting dominance by having him do a little obedience routine. You do not (and should not!) have to be Very Stern; instead, make it really fun and rewarding to be #2 to the people--food treats, praise, etc for jobs well done. You want him to give up his goal for boss because he thinks being the bottom is better. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002
dog poem
Hi, I thought you all might enjoy this poem. I don't know who wrote it so I can't give credit--sorry! I take Raven to work every Tuesday and she does her magic on the inpatient mental health unit. One of the interns looks for her every Tuesday and gave me a copy of this today, along with his thanks for her staff and patient therapy sessions. I can't make any story about my life tonight. The house is like an overturned wastebasket; the radio is predicting more rain. I asked my dog to tell me a story, and she never hesitates, Once upon a time, she says, a woman lived with a simply wonderful dog ... and she stops talking. Is that all? I ask her. Yes, she says, Why do you ask? Isn't it enough? smile and hug your fur babies! Vicky in Utah
Re: Microchips
Well, I'm playing berner-l catch up again, instead of going to bed. I'm sure I'll for it tomorrow, but in the meantime... Someone asked about microchips. I did a bit of research on them a couple years back before deciding which one to carry in my practice. There are 2 major makers of microchips here in the US. AVID and Shering-Plough (not sure if I spelled that right - at 1 am I refuse to be responsible for grammatical and spelling errors G). The Home Again chip is actually Shering-Plough's, though I believe someone else actually makes it. Both companies make scanners that read the presence of a chip. However, only Avid's scanner (not the HomeAgain scanner as was previously stated) will actually read both chips. And not all of Avid's scanners will do it - their cheapest scanner only notes the presence of other chips. BUT, the scanner that Avid gives to shelters to use is the top of the line scanner. Avid also makes 2 different chips now. Their regular chip cannot be read by the Home Again scanner, though its presence will be reported. Avid's so called Euro-chip can be read by the HomeAgain scanner. I believe the Euro-chip can also be read overseas - hence the Eurochip title, but am not positive on that. Not all shelters have scanners, and not all shelters that have scanners use them. Is that a good reason not to get a microchip? Well, if you have one and they don't scan, they won't be able to get the chip's information and get your pet back to you. BUT, I can guarantee that if you don't have a chip, then they can't get the info no matter whether they scan or not. Kind of like all the health certification talk - you won't find what you're not bothering to look for, except in this case it's they won't find what your pet doesn't have no matter how hard they look for it. I put my money where my mouth is. All my pets are microchipped and have been for years, except for my bird. She will be microchipped as soon as I take her in for bloodwork, since we'll anesthetize her for that (I value my fingers too much to try drawing blood on her awake G). Anyway, an advantage of AVID over HomeAgain, and why I chose Avid instead, is that the AVID chips are registered to the vet or breeder who bought them. So even if my clients never bothered to register with one of the registries (there are 2 main ones), if their pet is picked up and scanned, the shelter will be informed that the pet was chipped by Dr. Zebley, and they can call me and I can go through my files to see who got that particular chip. Rather convuluted compared to just being told who the owner was, but better than being told Sorry we don't have any information on whose chip that is. The 2 registries are PetTrac, by AVID, and CAR (Companion Animal Recovery), which is run by AKC and endorsed by HomeAgain. Since half my pets are AVID chipped, and the other half are HomeAgain, I registered all of them in both registries. So I'm a bit obsessive, at least I know they've got the best chance of being returned to me. And I would say that the shelter I work at returns at least 1 pet a month due to the presence of a microchip. And that is probably a low estimate, since I'm only there 5 hours a day, 3 days a week, and spend most of that time hiding in my medical room. (FYI, the shelter is open 7 days a week.) Personally, if only 1 pet is returned home because we were scanning, then it's worth the effort. Especially if that one pet is mine!!! G Melissa Melissa, Tyra and Orry Granite Falls, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/RedRoseRd/melissaz/index.html BEHAF Homepage: http://www.behaf.com
Re: early s/n
Okay, I really really should be in bed now, but those who've been around for a while know that early s/n is a hot button for me that I just can't pass up. G First off, some of the largest studies done on early s/n were done at the University of FL during my time there. The studies involved whole litters of dogs, where the litters were divided into 7 week s/n, 7 month s/n and intact. These dogs were then followed and evaluated at 1 year, 3 years and 5 years of age. This is the study that found no major differences between the 7 wk and 7 month s/n. The only differences found were lack of mature appearance of the sexual organs and an only significant on radiographs lengthening of the long bones (IOW, you couldn't tell it to look at the dogs, even side by side). These dogs were compared with their own littermates, which reduced chances of genetic differences. I know that doesn't exactly answer your question, Mary, but I am getting there. Another of my side interests is nutrition, so at a vet conference a few years back, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to hear the lecture on nutrition for large breed puppies. The lecturer talked about the typical things like restricting energy levels and correct Ca:P ratio. Then he made an aside - one of the things they found was that those pups who had longer growth periods (their growth plates took longer to close than others - a side effect of early s/n and the cause of the slight difference in long bone length, though unrelated to this particular lecture) actually had much less incidence of orthopedic problems. I believe he specifically stated developmental problems such as OCD and pano, but the lecture was years ago and my memory is fuzzy on the exact point. Knowing Pat, she probably has the post I made following the conference filed somewhere. G But I remember the main thought because at the time there was a lot of discussion that the longer growth period would predispose these pups to orthopedic problems, when in fact, based on this research, the exact opposite seemed to be true. Melissa On 5 Nov 02, at 9:20, Mary-Ann Bowman wrote: I have been looking at the early s/n data, and believe there is good evidence that it is easy and fast, safe when done properly, and that there does not seem to be significant differences in appearance and health in early s/n dogs. What I am wondering is it anyone knows of any evidence that reports on the impact of early s/n on future orthopedic clearances. Much of the early s/n work has been done by Humane Associations, and the pets that have had early s/n by Humane Associations are generally not checked for hip and elbow clearances. Studies do indicate that early s/n results in increased long bone length, and so it makes me wonder whether these subtle changes in bone growth might have implications of hip and elbow joint formation. Does anyone have any information about this issue? Thanks, Mary-Ann Bowman Utah Melissa, Tyra and Orry Granite Falls, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/RedRoseRd/melissaz/index.html BEHAF Homepage: http://www.behaf.com
Re: Question re Flexi leads
Hi, when 3 months and 12kgs our puppy broke her flexi lead through a bid to chase birds - it was designed for dogs up to 20kgs, now she has the adult big dog lead (up to 60kgs) and she is fine though the click spring does seem to be getting less trusty after only three weeks. When she is bigger I don't think we will use this, but we only need a lease in town and she has free rein of a large yard otherwise. emma - Original Message - From: Maureen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Question re Flexi leads To those of you who use Flexi leads, in your opinion, is the cord lead sufficiently strong to stop a determined 115 lb Berner in his tracks if need be, or would the lead that is webbed its entire length be a wiser investment? Ninety-five percent of the time when we're out and about, Jake would not abuse the added freedom the Flexi lead would afford him. However, that other five percent of the time, when a squirrel or another dog beckons ! Till now we've been using a 6-foot leather lead. Any input would be appreciated. Maureen Barry Montreal, Quebec __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
