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Re: A Brag for the Budman
Congratulations! But, enquiring minds want to know: what does Daisy think about this?? Sharon Montville - Firstrax - Colorado __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: Cage Training
We are cage training our new pup. Sleep in the cage, get in the cage when no one is home or around, etc... Our buy pup is 3 months old, gets lots of play time, and seems to be doing well with this method. Does anyone else have any suggestions or comments from a similar experience?
re: neutering poll
Hi everyone. I neutered Thor at 3 1/2 years. I was showing him and had mild thoughts of using him at stud. But he started showing signs of aggression towards other dogs mainly males so I decided to nip that in the bud. At least remove the hormones. Its only been 2 months so haven't really seen alot of difference. In meantime I don't trust him with any dog but the other one he lives with. If I hadn't shown him I probably would have done it alot sooner. Anne Marie Ayotte and Thor Cadyville, NY MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
re: neutering poll
i have one berner age 11, neutered at age 8 due to prostatitis. he was shown in conformation, not too successfully. (anyone who has seen me in the conformation ring could explain that!). my rottweiler was spayed at age 3 mos - on a non-breeding contract. my mixed breed was neutered at 8 weeks. the 2 dogs i have owned that were the biggest leg lifters consistently throughout their lives were my one bernese bitch (spayed at about 6 mos) & the mixed breed. & the mixed breed is extremely dysplastic so it must be important to him to lift his leg, since it is a big effort. lisa baldwin (dickens, bark & zel) seattle, wa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Brag for the Budman
Wh-Hooo, Maria & Buddy! Good job, handler Carol! And a big congrats to breeder, Dede Laveran! Bud's grandmama, BISS CH Tallpine's Soundview Rebecca (*the bad Bec see, he comes by it honestly!) sends a big congrats to Buddy with wishes that he "walks in her footsteps" and picks up some more of those "purdy" group ribbons :) Applause, Applause ... and Tailwags, too, Cathy, Memories BMDs
Re: Neutering poll
My first Berner, a male was neutered at 18 months. Never marked, lifted his leg when he felt like it. Only mounted the lovely female Basenji down the street. My current female was neutered at 10 months. She does not mark or lift her leg. I have seen females (neutered) of other breeds "mark". Do any female Berners do this? The biggest Berner I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot, was neutered at 5 months, is 31" tall and 125 pounds. I don't think neutering has anything to do with anything except better health and helping to control the mounting in some Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
neutering
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baby or puppy? puppy, of course!!!
I always wanted to wait to get a dog until after I had kids. I was worried that the dog would be jealous of the baby and then we would have to get rid of my pet and friend. Then one of my best friends got a Yorkie puppy and talked about her constantly. That was when I discovered there was so much to each breed and that if you did your research, you could get pretty close to your perfect situation. Needless to say, six months later I had my own Berner puppy. Looking back, this was the best way to do it, for us. We learned from Jackson what it is to raise a baby, at least to some degree. When you get your puppy, he will still be a baby. He will get up lots of times in the night and will need lots and lots of love and attention. It is very difficult to do this fairly with a child or children, I imagine. We got our second pup from a family that didn't realize how much work a puppy would be. They had two children 3 and 5, and couldn't also raise a puppy. So, if you wait now, it means waiting a while until your children are old enough to be safe around a nipping, chewing puppy and you are able to devote attention to another family member. On a personal note, we have since discovered that we are not able to have children naturally. In between fertility treatments and disappointments and losses and heartbreaks, my puppy babies are always there. Being the world's best dog, Berners, they realize my pain and are always there to make me feel better, cuddle with me, and joke around to make me smile. I don't know what I'd do without them. They are not a replacement for childre, but they sure help alot. I'm definitely biased, but that's what worked for us! Kendra, Jackson, and Sallie
Re: "You should take such good care of yourself!"
A number of my friends have decided they should be one of my pets in their next life. :-) If one of these particular friends ever does pass on before me, I'll probably watch my next young critter carefully for familiar behavior traits . . . =8-0 Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
neutering poll
I have two Berners: Jackson, is 2 years old and was neutered when he was 6 months old. We had him neutered for two reasons: 1. We signed a contract that said we would, and he was sold on limited registration. 2. We didn't want to deal with the behavioral issues that come with an intact male. He was our first dog and we were worried we wouldn't be able to handle the dominance and the desire to chase down every bitch on the street! Oh and, 3. We had wanted a girl, but there was only one in the litter, so we figured a neuterd male was as close as we'd get. We also have Sallie, who is 1 year old. We had her spayed just this past September, and we really just missed her first heat. She was so much later than we hoped because we got her with severe chronic Lymes. (Not from her breeder, from her previous owners.) We had her spayed for the following reasons: 1. There was no way I was going to deal with a heat. No way!! 2. She could use some mellowing and the least amount of hormones in her body, the better. 3. Seriously, we were not in a position to deal with puppies, she has leg problems and shouldn't produce them, and I don't want to be respoinsible for finding good homes and worrying about puppies. I could never be a breeder. Kendra, Jackson, and Sallie
Re: neutering and marking
Hi, Logan was neutered just before 6 months and started leg lifting at about 18 months. He still does not really "know" what he needs to do - he lifts his leg and half he time does not pee. If he really needs to go he squats... Will Ilcisin and Logan
Fw: berner pup or baby - which should come first???
Kerry- I think the answer to your question is a very individual one. Hopefully the advice you get will help you and your husband decide what will work for you. For me, personally, it was baby first. It was also a looong time ago. I waited until my first child was 2 years old to add a dog to the family. I believe, and I'm sure some will disagree, that it is easier to add a dog to a family with a small child, than a small child to a family with a dog. Of course, the temperament of the dog has a lot to do with the acceptance of a new child. If you decide dog first, find a breeder who will help you find a pup that they feel will do well when baby arrives. I believe very stongly, that dogs raised with children have a better chance of learning child-tolerance and respect than a dog that has not and then is asked to accept another "pack" member.I also have know of two beloved family dogs-one rehomed, one euthanized because of it's intolerence of the new child. It is also important that you and you husband, as parents of both the pup and child realize that it is your job to make it work. Small children need constant vigilence amd training around puppies, as puppies and older dogs need socialization, training and viglience around small children. I would also not advise, which ever "first" happens, that you wait until you are confident you can handle the "other". As for the ticking clock, both scenarios will be exhausting. Sorry.. Of course, you also have no idea of what "Mother Nature" and the ticking clock will decide, so eventually that may need to be factored in as well Janice Parky > Cape Cod, MA. > >
Re: berner pup or baby - which should come first???
Hi Kerry- I had two dogs before we got married. They were adults, and grew up with me while I was in college. Even my Berner were not what I would call 'good with kids'. They just weren't socialized enough as younsters with children. Only beer and loud music! When my husband and I wanted to get pregant, AND add another Berner to our family, I chose to get a pup when I was in my first trimester. Our puppy, Drake, was 6 months old, had basic obedience training and was housebroken when our human baby entered our household. Granted...I was terribly sick my entire pregnancy...so THAT is not something I planned on at all. Bending over and cleaning up puppy poop, pee and training to sit/lay down are not too easy when you have morning sickness 24/7 for 8 months straight. However, playing with my dogs did take my mind off of how I felt. They made me happy in my sickest moments. So, we had Schyler (LabX)...who was 9 yrs old when Evan was born...would not trust her with children at all. We had Avery (Berner) who was 1 1/2 yrs old...and she was gentle, sweet and very interested in the baby. And we had Drake (Berner) who was 6 months old and was totally adorable with the baby. Evan is now a 2 year old toddler. We lost Schyler to cancer one year ago. She was never allowed to be around Evan when he was crawling or walking. I can honestly say that Avery is trustworthy to the point that I can feel comfortable leaving the room with both dogs in the room alone with Evan. If Evan is running and playing...Avery (who is almost 3 yrs old now/spayed) will leave the room and leave the commotion rather than snap or growl. She has never snapped or growled at Evan. However, she prefers to not 'play' with him. Although she does tend to like being around him. Drake (who was the 6 month old when Evan was born...he is now 2 1/2 yrs old/and intact) is Evan's best buddy. Evan can accidently fall on Drake, take food from Drake's mouth, take his toys out of his mouth, and he even snuggles with him and uses his stomach as a big pillow while watching Monsters, Inc!!! All dogs have their own individual personality. It is important that we respect each dog for who they are, as well as train them properly to be respectful to us. For instance, I know that Drake and Avery love having kids over to play in the yard and in the house. However, Avery will not tolerate being grabbed at or hung on, while Drake loves that physical attention from children. It is up to me to recognize that the children's play is heading in that direction, and assist Avery to leave the area safely. It is also up to us, as parents, to teach our children the difference between appropriate play behavior with animals and aggressive, abusive behavior towards animals. Even a hug from a toddler can come across to a dog as being dominated. Not all children should 'hug' dogs, and not all dogs want to be hugged. :o) I was pleased with our decision to add a new dog to our household when the dog would be an older puppy/adolescent when our child was born. I think it strengthened their bond, and it has been wonderful watching them grow up together. Plus, having all of the dogs trained well before the baby arrived was a positive result. In my opinion, trying to learn to be a good Mom or Dad is overwhelming enough...trying to train a puppy should not be on a new parent's to-do list. Hope that helps- Jennie Hoffnagle Glenmoore, PA
Re: "You should take such good care of yourself!"
On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:49:01 + "Lisa D Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My mother of blessed memory, when she would come from Detroit to > visit, upon > opening my fridge, exclaimed, "Where's YOUR food? > (was tucked between dogs' various menu items). > When I would describe the various treatments, therapies, social > events, > classes, and foods enjoyed by the Berners, she used to say "You > should take > such good care of yourself!" > Anyone else experience this with a sibling, parent, spouse? > Mom adored my dogs, singing to them, cuddling them, sending them > gifts! My mom didn't care much for animals even though we always had a dog of some sort as I grew up. When my third Berner came into my home and I told her I had a new puppy, there was a silence. Slowly, she quietly said "I guess I never am going to have grandchildren." I suggested she consider her dogs her grandchildren but somehow the idea never caught on. :) Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
"You should take such good care of yourself!"
My mother of blessed memory, when she would come from Detroit to visit, upon opening my fridge, exclaimed, "Where's YOUR food? (was tucked between dogs' various menu items). When I would describe the various treatments, therapies, social events, classes, and foods enjoyed by the Berners, she used to say "You should take such good care of yourself!" Anyone else experience this with a sibling, parent, spouse? Mom adored my dogs, singing to them, cuddling them, sending them gifts! Lisa Allen _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Neutering Poll
<> I have three dogs and have had a couple others in the past. I like all of my dogs neutered/spayed as I never intend to breed anything. The only reason that I've left any intact past puppyhood was to show. Bandit, BMD, who lived to 7 1/2 was neutered at 4 1/2 after I convinced his breeder that he was really too small to finish without going to the expense of a professional handler and wasting a lot of money in entries. I'm not into showing in conformation and only agreed to show him at all for the breeder's sake. I had an IG while my children were small. She was given to me with the agreement that I would whelp one litter, which I did and then had her spayed. Currently I have my son's Gordon Setter, an Australian Shepherd and a Berner. The Gordon was spayed by the time she was 6 months old. I was going to wait a bit on the Aussie to see how he turned out, conformation-wise in case my niece wanted to handle him to a CH. (She's trying to become a handler.) but had him neutered by the time he was 7 months old, soon after he started jumping the 5 1/2 foot fence to visit the neighbor's bitch in heat. I figured that if he was that horny at six months old, heaven help us! By the way, he still marks but not all of the time. Just most of the time. Even though he is not dominant with other dogs. Just wants to play with everyone. My Berner is just 18 months old and has a few points toward his CH. His breeder would like to finish him, if possible. I'm training him in agility and she would really like to have produced a versatility dog. I'm not really sure what all he needs to do but, if he lives long enough and she puts the CH in front of his name, I'll have no trouble putting whatever letters he needs after his name. But even then, my plan is to call for his neutering appointment the day his CH certificate arrives. This will make all of the rest so much easier. I mentioned Bandit, neutered at 4 1/2. This helped him stop marking in the house. (He would mark on my sons' beds if I had to discipline them.) He also became more easy-going even though he was always a very laid-back dog. It seemed as though he didn't have to worry anymore. He could just be a puppy again. He even went back to squatting most of the time. Claudia Brydon in NW PA Barney OA NAJ (Aussie) Boomer (Bernese Mountain Dog) Mo (Gordon Setter Granddog
Congrats to CH Buddy
Way to go CH Buddy, Maria, and Carol!!! After meeting the handsome Budman in WV for the first time, I have been waiting to hear of his coming of age and earning his championship - and now to hear it was done is style, too. YIPPEE. Extra hugs and mooches to Buddy tonight. Libby Kesner and the Berner girls of Maine Voorheesville NY USA remembering Buddy's great great grandmother, Tansy
Re: A Brag for the Budman
In a message dated 12/7/2002 5:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << In four consecutive shows Buddy has taken Winner's dog, Best of Winners (in 3 shows) and today, in Gettysburg, earned his championship by taking Best of Breed. He went on to take a Group 4. >> Oh come on, Maria, pour it on. Those were all MAJOR wins, 3 points, 5 points, and two 4 pointers. Ü It was a privilege to be on the other end of the leash. Bud is one very nice dog! Congratulations to owners Maria & Jack Crifasi, and to his breeder Dede Laveran. Carol Lingley Ijamsville, MD
The Budman - oops!
That makes Buddy Ch. Greenway's Genuine Draft Maria, Daisy and The Budman
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A Brag for the Budman
In four consecutive shows Buddy has taken Winner's dog, Best of Winners (in 3 shows) and today, in Gettysburg, earned his championship by taking Best of Breed. He went on to take a Group 4. All four days he was shown to perfection by my friend Carol Lingley. Buddy will be 2 in January. This has been one exciting ride!!! Wh-ee!! Joye, my brag check is on its way... Maria, Daisy and The Budman Catoctin Mountains, Maryland
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Re: Its me Again!!!
In a message dated 12/7/2002 10:49:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Now I would like to ask if > you could help me with information about carting. I'm no expert, but there's lots of help out there. On Yahoo Groups (www.yahoogroups.com), look for the Carting Dog List. DogWorks (www.dogworks.com) offers a broad line of carts & harnesses...and instructional books and videos. Wilczek Woodworks (http://www.geocities.com/wilczekwoodworks) includes beautiful carts along with their offering of other fine wood products...perhaps because they do carting with their Berners? ;-) Your regional club is likely to have a few carting enthusiasts. If you're not already a member, check it out. If you are, post a query in the club newsletter and see if there's anyone else interested in teaching or learning. Have fun! ~Sherri Venditti
Re: Neutering poll
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Hi there everyone...I was just thinking it would be interesting to do this since it's been a subject >we've been talking about a lot lately. I was wondering how many of you have >neutered/spayed/unneutered/unspayed females and males, and what you're reasoning for doing it >or not doing it is--i.e. breeding purposes or personal preference, or whatever--and how many >BMDs you do have. In order that they joined us: Male Berner, 4 yrs, neutered at 6 months (Micawber) Female Pyr, 4 yrs in a week, spayed at 5 months (Lliira) Female Newf, 3 yrs, spayed at six months (Nessie) Female Pyr, 5 yrs, spayed at 2 after litter of puppies (Cassie the Rescue) Mic comes from a moderately successful set of show dogs but is clearly pet quality; there are some finished dogs in his five gen, and his dad was being actively shown, but it is not exactly a roll call of show dogs. Lliira the Pyr girl is probably show quality; she comes from a family with 5 generations all CH, 8 Hall of Fame dogs and the top winning Pyr bitch in the US and the top winning Pyr (male) of all time within 5 generations. However, as we did not intend to show her or breed her, we spayed her to reduce the risk of breast cancer and to avoid dealing with heat periods (by the way--although her breeding is impeccable, Lliira was out least expensive puppy, which says more about demand for Pyrs vs. Newfs/Berners than anything else; Nessie was our priciest pup). Nessie was retained by her breeder as a show prospect, but due to job layoff she decided to place Nessie when she was 9-10 weeks old; Nessie is a lovely but not 'in vogue' Newf. She goes back to some of the old, heavy, jowly lines. Very classic, but not what is being sought in the ring; 3/4 of her 5 gen pedigree were finished CH, most with working titles also. She could finish with the right handler (I once emailed her pedigree to a fancier who was looking for a stud to freshen her lines and wanted to know more about Nessie's family--her comment after reading the pedigree was WOW you have a classic canine there). Again, since we had no plans to breed her, we felt it was in all of our best interests to have her spayed also. Cassie the rescue Pyr is without papers, probably a pet shop girl, and also has had a litter of pups (as is evident by her teats, which have obviously been nursed). She came into rescue for the first time at 2 yrs old and was spayed and placed. We would have spayed her since she is clearly a nice dog of pet quality. Would make a heck of a working dog, though, had she landed in the right home for it. She has all the serious guarding behaviors you would want in a livestock guardian--night barking, territoriality, marking behavior, alert to new predator type animals, high pain tolerance and low prey drive, dominant personality. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
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New gallery pages- http://www.berner.org/gallery2/TonyzzDisco.htm Hugh
Re: Neutering Poll
In a message dated 12/07/2002 11:03:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Could anyone tell me whether or not he will stop “marking” after he is done or are we too late now. >> The best answer anyone can give about this is - Maybe. It seems that leg lifting can be as much a dominance thing as a testosterone thing. I've had adult bitches who leg lifted Flash was neutered at 20 mos. and still lifts his leg, and will lift it as high as he can without falling over when we are in a strange place where other dogs have marked. Gypsy was neutered at 5 mos. and he does not mark but he does pull one leg up when he squats - like he thinks there is something he should be doing but isn't sure what it is . Harry Potter, our foster Cavalier was just neutered less than a month ago at 3 yrs. and once in a great while he will lift, but most of the time he just squats. Doesn't seem to be any set pattern that I've ever seen. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
RE: Neutering poll
We have a male Berner who was neutered before he was re-homed with us when he was 2. We have a female Berner who is not spayed who we had hoped to show and breed. She has not turned out to have a temperament for breeding or showing so she will be spayed soon. I discussed Callie's temperament with her breeder and her breeder agreed she should be spayed. So now we are on a list to get a puppy next year, hopefully a puppy to show. Cherie Massaro Fargo & Callie Hopkinton, NH
Re: Neutering poll
Both my rehomed Berner and my rescue Cavalier are neutered, as is the rescue Cavalier we are fostering. Several reasons for neutering here are: health (no testicular cancer, less chance of prostate problems with age); reduced urine odor (that musky, male smell just doesn't happen); reduced chance of aggressive behavior; and of course, no opportunity for them to accidentally contribute to pet overpopulation. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr. and our guest Cavalier, Harry Potter, 3 yrs.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Re: Neutering Poll
- Original Message - From: "Karen McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Could anyone tell me whether or not he >will stop "marking" after he is done or are we too late now. He has >demonstrated this behavior for about 3-4 weeks. I neutered my Akita at about 1 year. He continued to show the marking behavior. I think you have to nip it in the bud, and even then marking is not necessarily irradiated by early neutering. Territory marking is highly desired in Pyrs as livestock guardians, for instance, as it wards off less determined predators without need of physical confrontation. Even early neutered Pyrs tend to be markers, especially working dogs who pick it up for canine mentors. Cassie the Pyr bitch is so tough about territory issues that she cocks a leg to pee! My male Berner, however, does very minimal marking (neutered at 6 months). Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
Re: Being chased by humans
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Neutering Poll
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Chasing tails... and more
Beth Schmoyer writes: How many of your berners out there chase their tails? Misha is crazy about hers. She chases it round & round. == Bison chased his tail the first day he came home and caught it. Dissatisfied with the ease at which he caught his unsuspecting prey, he turned for a bigger challenge. He chases his EARS. And believe it or not, he's caught THEM too. He'll go after his tail from time to time to show it who's boss, but the ears are my favorite chase game. My fear is he'll want to chase his ears in the ring. Adam Panda, Pockets, and Bison __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Neutering poll
Hi there everyone...I was just thinking it would be interesting to do this since it's been a subject we've been talking about a lot lately. I was wondering how many of you have neutered/spayed/unneutered/unspayed females and males, and what you're reasoning for doing it or not doing it is--i.e. breeding purposes or personal preference, or whatever--and how many BMDs you do have. And, then, if the owners with unneutered BMDs will fix them in the future. I just think it would be an interesting topic to see everyone's reasons why their dogs are fixed or not. Thank you...I myself have a spayed 8 month-old BMD, and two mixed breeds who are of course, both fixed. Take care, Danielle
Its me Again!!!
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carting, training, and retrieve
I have now earned a total of seven draft titles on four different berners, and feel comfortable providing informed input on this topic :) I do not start carting with my dogs until they are close to two, but only because we are much too busy to start sooner and because obedience training makes carting so much easier. While I think starting with a puppy is just fine, I do not see the need unless someone has lots of time on their hands or wants really cute photos :) My puppies start with obedience, tracking and more recently, agility. When the dog is close to two and can compete in draft tests, I start carting. Because they are well trained by that age, carting is usually not that difficult for them. My most recent NDD and DD were with Maize. She did not appreciate the cart at first so I went slower with her than the others I have trained. I started her draft training in June (she was 23 months) and she passed the NDD on her first try in Sept and less than month later she passed the DD on her first try. She was well trained before I started drafting and I think that makes a difference. So while I think it is fine to cart with young dogs, I advocate having a very solid foundation of basic obedience before doing anything too serious in terms of carting. Just my opinion/experience :) My berners LOVE their work, and I think it is essential that a working breed like a berner have jobs and that this job should be something meaningful and not just "decorator dog." I am already working with the puppies (seven weeks tomorrow) on sit, stand, stack and gaiting and they enjoy it. It is never too soon to start fun and positive training with puppies. Finally, I think berners get a bad rap about retrieving! Mine are great retrievers and they enjoy it very much -- I think the trick is to train it well. Mary-Ann Bowman U-CD Emma, CDX, DD, CGC, TDI, retired Abra, VCD1 (NA, NAJ, TD, CD), OA, CDX, DD, CGC Maize, NA, TD, DD, CGC Ten-pack, Future Stars
Re:A Carting Question BERNER-L digest 4167
Berners love to pull and they also love to have a job.. We have 2 Berners and both get very excited whenever I take a cart or wagon out..Rufous our oldest is very shy, but when he is carting he has more confidence and he even has gone up to strangers which for Rufous is unheard of..I say Berners take to drafting like a Retriever retrieves...Just don't ask a Berner to retrieve most do not..We have taught and helped teach many dogs to draft and I feel start at a young age with a lightweight cart and make it fun.. When he or she is 2 then start adding weight ..We have had Berners as young as 8 months learn to draft Take care Bill Wilczek Wilczek Woodworks www.geocities.com/wilczekwoodworks
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Re: More How the breed will be saved (dog on the mountain)
In a message dated 12/4/2002 3:30:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Okay, Sherri -- as a fairly new member to BMDCA (1 year?) and Berners in > general (4 years) -- what can I do? Maybe I'm not "signed on" to the right > list, or missing something, but I don't feel like I have much opportunity to > give input into BMDCA. There are two primary ways in which the BMDCA Board communicates with the membership, The Alpenhorn and The Bulletin. The Alpenhorn is mailed every other month...if you haven't already done so, pay the extra and request first class mail. This will put it in your hands in a more timely way. The Bulletin is available 3 ways; online at the BMDCA Members site (on Yahoo), via first class mail, and a new option...emailed directly to you (see Karen's post). Mailing is expensive for the club, but I like to read the Bulletin in bits and pieces, highlight any that raises a question or things to be addressed, so...I want it in hard copy. I have a crappy printer, so I get it by mail. The third method of comunication about BMDCA matters is the online Members list on Yahoo groups. This is a terrific vehicle for discussion of pending issues the BMDCA is dealing with AND to float new ideas for consideration. Although the primary function of the list is NOT for direct communication to & from the Board, it is a vehicle for timely communication from the Board when that's necessary. On the list, you'll read diverse opinions and rationales about topics ranging from a Breeder Referral Program to Awards to the functioning of various committees. It's a wonderful way to learn 'both sides of the coin' so you can then make your own decision a well informed one. It also serves as a reminder to send the Board input when it's requested and to send in your ballot, etc. ***MANY thanks to Sandie Hawkins for setting up the BMDCA Members list and keeping it on topic. She saw a need and filled it...before the Board seated at the time recognized the value of such a list. > I agree completely what what you've said, and I may > be part of the problem as I'm not responding to, commenting on, approving > of, or criticizing anything the BMDCA is doing. How do "rank and file" > members like me become more involved, and become part of the solution? Two ways... Be informed. Learn from the various lists, participate with your dogs in a variety of activities, gain the trust of people knowledgeable in specific areas so they'll discuss the ins and outs of their 'specialty' with you. An interdisciplinary approach will help you to understand the *why* to various opinions and to form your own views and ideas with more breadth than otherwise. Participate. Everyone one of us has a unique set of abilities and experiential knowledge. The club utilizes skills ranging from convention planning to graphic design to writing to legal advice to dimplomacy to warm & fuzzy chatter to scientific analysis...and applies them to everything from public education to specialty planning to assessing research grant proposals. There are a host of committees working on a wide variety of projects, contact a Chair and offer to help. There are several committees in need of Chairs, they've been published in the Bulletin & Alpenhorn and recently summarized on the Members list, check the archives. If you have an interest in one of these areas and feel it's a good mesh for your skills, contact the retiring Chair FMI and then the Board if you're interested. Simply offering your perspectives, ideas, and questions on the Members list is making a contributionyou may offer insights others haven't thought about. Think not because you're a relative rookie? Think again...YOU have the experience of trying to learn and show etc in a "vast wilderness" , compared to me who could show every weekend of the year without driving more than 300 miles, belongs to a regional club with over 400 members, and could visit several dozen breeders within a few hours drive. That means your perspective on everything from awards to educational programs, breeder referral, etc is different than mine. The only way that I can consider your needs in my thinking (and voting) is if you share those needs with me. > While we're on it, I'd like to ask a question that's been bugging me for a > while. I think it's the national German Shepard Dog club that does this, > but there is some kind of "club certification" for GSDs who meet special > criteria, which we all seem to agree is important to breeding programs. > If the BMDCA recognized this kind of dedication by "awarding" these dogs > this kind of "honor" or certification, I think that would not only be > helpful to PPOs, but to all Berner lovers, breeders, and owners. There is a new committee being formed to review our entire Award structure. Perhaps what you have in mind would fit there? Or, in a Breeder R
Jumping, collars, etc (was BERNER-L digest 4164)
In a message dated 12/6/2002 5:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ? from New "mommy"?? My 41/2 month female is 35lbs What is the best way to > stop her from jumping on people. I'm not touching this part, Eileen did too good a job. > I have conflicting advice on leash/collar types choke like vs > the non-muzzle leader leash...I am sure there is much real-life advice. My pick is "None of the above". The very best training is done OFF leash because it means the dog is truly learning/understanding your cue and giving you the behavior of his own volition. Do it whenever you can...around the house, in a safe yard or park, etc. Attach a longline to his collar that you can step on if you're in an area where running off could get him in trouble. Obviously, off leash isn't always practical for safety reasons...so I go to the next best thing, a flat buckle collar and a pocket full of yummy tidbits (always). The more you can build the relationship between your pup and yourself (YOU want to be THE most interesting and exciting thing in HIS world) and the more consistent you are in what you allow and don't, the more effective your training will be. That eliminates the need for specialized training devices like a choke collar (requires VERY skilled use) or head halter. To me, those are remedial measures to solve a problem that's already developed...better to avoid the problem from the get-go. One exception...the head halter may be necessary for someone with limited physical ability to hold fast against an errant berner. Positive training does NOT mean permissive so one should be ready and physically able to control the dog and not allow a full of himself teenager to run amok. > then there is the burp/"toot" issues, but no loose stool and real good about > no messes in house. Hmmm...puppies typically get the hiccoughs but I don't think I'd be comfortable with a gassy tummy (inmore ways than one ;-}. If a dog's producing excess gas it tells me something's off key somewhere in digestive tract (very scientific, I know ;-} and can most likely be addressed with a little fiddling. Are you in communication with his breeder? I think I'd discuss this with her, she might have found that some foods work better than others with her dogs. If you don't have an ongoing relationship with his breeder, I think I'd try phasing over to another food...one with a very different set of ingredients, and see if that makes a difference. Another root is to give probiotics but my leaning is to try to identify the problem first...rather than 'mask' the fact that a particular food doesn't sit well with my dog. > PS I used to live with just a spoiled rotten husband > and a spoiled roten daughter...now a spoiled rotten Berner, I love it Ummmat the risk of sounding the party pooper...you may not love it down the road. I have a spoiled rotten, Berner princess. At 10-3/4 yrs, she's a benevolent dictator...sometimes I let her have her way, sometimes she lets me have mine . But it wasn't fun when she was 10 months old, 85 lbs, and out of controlI was in tears. Was she a 'bad' dog? No! What she was is a smart, over-indulged, strong-willed, princess. I was very lucky, although she was a take charge kind of girl, she wasn't terribly concerned about possessions and status stuff. My problem was making her do what I wanted her to do...like getting in the car or going for a walk or being civilized while I prepared her meal. THANK HEAVENS she never went in the direction of "not letting" me on the couch or growling if I came near her toy..." like SO MANY "spoiled" berners do. This leads down a road that you DON'T want to go... So, don't let that cute ball of fluff and brains sucker you...build a working relationship with him, based on mutual respect...not indulgence, NOW, before you find yourself in a place that's not much fun. -Sherri Venditti (Long recovered from the bruised arms and wounded ego inflicted by my first berner... and STILL learning from her every day.)
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