Twistep - interesting device
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has experience with this device. It is called a Twistep and is a platform/step which attaches to your trailer hitch and is stored under your vehicle. It swings out and (according to the web site) gives your dog lower stress access to your SUV. There are different sizes for different vehicles. I have no affiliation with company - just came across it while browsing. Here's the web site: http://www.otllc.com/index.htm Cheers! Val Whiteford with Marlee and Tonka near Ottawa, ON, Canada
The Tip of the Iceberg
And, with the popularity of the Bernese, the number of people breeding them, and the puppy mill and pet store Berners joining the population, those with temperament issues will perhaps just constitute the tip of the iceberg. The health issues faced by this breed are monumental. Will the average Joe, even if well-intentioned, spend the thousands or tens of thousands of dollars necessary to treat Bernie's cancer, to fix his painful elbows, etc. I would, of course, without a second thought because my dogs are family and their lives, like any family member's, are sacred and too precious for words to me. I predict that not only dogs with temperament problems will be flooding rescue programs but those with health issues as well that, practically in the blink of an eye, became too weighty for their owners to handle or by owners who conscientiously select not to deal with the health problems or by new Bernese owners who are quickly overwhelmed by such. Lisa Allen Blessed with Berners since 1983! _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: trying to get information
In a message dated 2/8/2003 9:04:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there some reason as a rescue dog that we should not have access to this information? Depends on how you define rescue dog. IF your dog came from a rescue organization, they may or may not have a policy with regard to releasing the dog's historymuch like an adoption agency. If your dog was rehomed with you by his breeder, there is no legitimate reason I can think of not to provide you with information about his parentage and relatives. Okay, I have a question why is it okay for a rescue organization to chose not to share this info, but not a breeder? I didn't say it was ok, I just stated that it's a fact. Personally, I don't agree with it. I think all known medical and identity information about the dog should be provided to the adoptor. Assuming they're not incapacitated in some way, are there reasons I'm not thinking of for a breeder not to provide information to the adoptor of a dog they place? Very possible there are issues I'm not considering... -Sherri V.
Photo Wanted
Someone that I know that does some very beautiful paintings for fundraising purposes would very much like to have a photo of a Berner in the snow to use as a subject. I know I've seen some really lovely ones, so if you have a photo that Willem could use as a subject of a painting, please let him know!! When he uses one of your photos for a fundraising painting, he also makes a poster copy of it for you to have. It's suitable for framing, and almost as good as the original painting - just in case you can't win it in the fundraiser! Pat Long, a visiting Buddy, ( Luther) Berwyn PA
One Final Good Bye!
Well Dear List it is Sunday morning and this is indeed my final good bye. I am dismantling the computer right after I compose this note. I do appreciate all of your emails since my good bye posting of yesterday. Once again, I want to thank each and everyone who has sent us prayers, love and so much kindness. Before our ordeal a couple of weeks ago, I knew that this list was indeed an unique and wonderful community, but never in my wildest imagination would I have dreamed that I would come to know and respect each and everyone so much. I hope that somehow, someway, I can somehow repay the kindnesses shown to us sometime in the future. I also hope that I will be able to actually meet some of you as well. My new motto in life will be to pay-it-forward for sure. I will still post when I can and have access to a computer, and of course I will try and catch up on the news. I posted my snail mail address yesterday if any one cares to actually pick up that strange object that we affectionately know as a pen, I will do my best to write back. We are certainly spoiled by this electronic world that we fortunately live in. Stevie continues to do well, and actually tried to chase his kitty (George) yesterday, but alas gave up after a few rapid steps, but he was panting and smiling, you could just tell. He also made his way outside with very little assistance to pee, I was so proud just like when your children take those first steps all alone. Well I must close now, tears are very plentiful these days and I can't send a wet keyboard to the new committee! Once again, Thank you from the bottom of my very full heart and I want you to know that I send my love to each and every one of you. Talk to you all soon. Love Karen and Stevie xoxo
Trever lump!
Hi, Have not posted in 2 years, so I hope I am doing this right. I have a bernese mountain dog named Trever. He just turned three years old. I just discovered a hard lump on his back, in the middle of his back, about the size of a marble. I know I have to take him to the vet, is this the berner cancer? is this how it starts? I did research, and there is no cure? Am I right? Need help? opinions would be appreciated! Thanks Julie From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BERNER-L digest 4262 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:01:10 CST BERNER-L Digest 4262 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Breeder. In such cases, pet owners may have to by lesliep996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: Lobby Raffle by TERRY ZIMMERMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help by chellotchr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Zellers Valentine Berner - and Lobby Fundraiser by Dr. William B. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Altered Classes by Wendy Pros [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Berners Win Again!! by jesse shelley gonzales [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Can you please remove my name from the list? by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) RE: Rescue BMD w/issues needs help by Esther Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: lesliep996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Breeder. In such cases, pet owners may have to MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=D69t9VfceD23UxQX2k840QAV1bI9A762O9 Message-Id: 20030209021212.JKLQ21244.out010.verizon.net@Euzeuzcwy Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:12:30 -0600 --D69t9VfceD23UxQX2k840QAV1bI9A762O9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * *Mail Lists at Prairienet only accept PLAIN TEXT* * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Message-ID: 021501c2cfe3$db05a020$c05d1a43@theresaz From: TERRY ZIMMERMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lobby Raffle Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:35:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat asked: How is the raffle going? Are my chances to win the sketch looking really good or really bad??? Pat Long, a visiting Budmeister, ( Luther) Berwyn PA Hey guys, you have an excellent chance of winning this sketch as we only have had maybe 13 to 15 folks enter. The sketch will be done in pencil, framed and matted. The frame and matt are just waiting for your dog's sketch. Check out http://bmdcgs.org/lobby/berner_gallery.htm for details and get your tickets today. Terri Zimmerman, Zephyr, Zaltana, Zion, Kita Zodiac, gone from this earth but not from this heart. Washington State, USA Puget Sound with clouds, moss and lots of mud puddles. -- Message-ID: 001a01c2cfe6$034868e0$ac92c843@pavilion From: chellotchr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Berner-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:50:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think in all breeds, unneutered males 1-3 yrs old is the highest demographic of owner surrenders. Eileen; I have a rehomed neutered male berner that was 16 months old when he adopted me. He is the sweetest, most wonderful dog, most of the time, but he did have issues. We won't talk about the week that I had to wear long sleeves because I bruises from my wrists to past my elbows on both arms following a discussion in my backyard about it being time to go inside. I won and have just tried really hard to be consistent with him. He is a good dog and I am thrilled to have him, even though he stills exhibits a fair amount of shyness around other adults, especially men. However, he's better now than he was 6 months ago when I got him. It's a patience and time commitment thing. I am happy to have him and wouldn't think about ever giving him back to the breeder, even after that discussion in October. I want to thank all of you for the ideas and information that I get from the list every day. It has helped me greatly, being a new Berner mom. I used to be a Rottweiler mom and boy, are they different!!! Wendy Keene, Lilah (the right-colored Sheltie) and Klarsson (I'm s spoiled, now) Hampton, VA -- Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 22:19:26 -0500 From: Dr. William B. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Zellers Valentine Berner - and Lobby
Re: Puppy ate a bully stick! or s**t happens
I think it is interesting that there are currently 2 threads running concurrently. Bully Sticks (don't let your puppy eat this or that) and Weird things eaten (just try to keep your puppy from eating this or that) For every person that says don't feed rawhide Bully sticks pigs ears etc. someone does. This is huge business and millions must be sold each year for them to continue to manufacture and market these things. I think that there is danger and risk in everything we do and for every bully stick eaten or remote control that disappears most dogs will pass the final product without problem and an unlucky few will need surgery. I have a good friend who I've known for the last 25 yrs that has always fed her dogs cooked bones (each year they get the turkey carcass or if we have ribs the bones) without incident. I cringe when she does it but to date there has never been an issue for her dogs. This doesn't mean I do it but I can't convince her that it is dangerous. I think we have to accept the fact that s**t happens and some of us are just going to hit that unlucky wall regardless of how careful we are or what we do. Surely raising dogs is just an issue of common sense and a bit of luck. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Karen and Stevie
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Re: Trever lump!
Julie Take a breath and relax. This could be many things and until your vet looks at it don't panic. Berners get warts, cysts, ingrown hairs, bug bites etc. Only when your vet looks at it and examines it will you know. (my bet it something innocent) The other good news is even if it is some kind of cancer you are probably catching it early so there is a chance to treat it. I think it is sad that we (the Berner community) so strongly focus on our dogs dying of cancer that we often scare people to death that every lump and bump is a death sentence. Most times it is not. It is fair for us to be concerned and have bumps checked out, but we shouldn't terrorize people into thinking every lump is a death sentence. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: Twistep - interesting device
- Original Message - From: Val Whiteford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering if anyone has experience with this device. It is called a Twistep and is a platform/step which attaches to your trailer hitch and is stored under your vehicle. It swings out and (according to the web site) gives your dog lower stress access to your SUV. There are different sizes for different vehicles. I have no affiliation with company - just came across it while browsing. Here's the web site: http://www.otllc.com/index.htm A woman on my Newf list loves hers. She has a biggish Newf with some so-so hips, as I recall. That is the sum total of my knowledge! Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Karen and Stevie
Please change my email address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and please put it back to the digest way not the instant message please as this will fill up my email box too quickly. I will check it when I can. Thank you Karen and Stevie
Re: trying to get information
Do the papers list all previous owners? (horse papers do--I've never had papers on a rescue so I am not sure about that). One thing most rescue clubs do is protect the privacy of the prior owner, the one who surrendered. There are those people on both sides of the adoption issue who will harass or otherwise intrude and be weird with the turn-in/adopting family. We don't let either side know who each other are in the two rescue groups I've been involved with. We do let the turn-in family know that things are going well with the dog, but we don't give them personal contact info. I once spent over an hour on the phone with a very angry and very . . . strange . . . woman who had turned a dog into rescue (she lived on the other side of the country from me, by the way, and I have no idea how she got my phone number) and now she and the husband wanted it back. I think she was on something and she was about one staircase short of her attic anyhow. I would hate to have some innocent new family call that person up to ask about some minor health or behavior issue! Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Re: Trever lump!
- Original Message - From: Julie Bregenzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have not posted in 2 years, so I hope I am doing this right. I have a bernese mountain dog named Trever. He just turned three years old. I just discovered a hard lump on his back, in the middle of his back, about the size of a marble. I know I have to take him to the vet, is this the berner cancer? is this how it starts? I did research, and there is no cure? Am I right? Need help? opinions would be appreciated! Hi Julie. My Micawber has had two lump removals in the past year (he is 4 now). Both were benign cysts, both were a mostly firm lump, sort of oblong, in the middle of his back. They both wept a nasty fluid, too. There are a lot of reasons for lumps and bumps, some dreadful and others just an ugly bump. Chances are this is just some sort of fatty lump, or a benign cyst like Mic's lumps. we hear more about the bad lumps than the ones which were no big deal, as that tends to be the nature of folks. Good luck, and let us know what your vet thinks! Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
BMDC of Watchung: Reminder for awards brunch
BMDC of Watchung Awards Brunch March 30th, 2003 Reservations due by March 15th. Awards Applications due by March 1st. Don't forget to bring a dog related or other interesting item to be donated for the auction. Beth Schmoyer Bethlehem, PA
Re: Karen and Stevie - changed email address for Berner-L
Karen - I've switched you to your new yahoo address for digest delivery. Did you get a conformation email there? Rita Berner-L Error Crew --- Karen McFarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please change my email address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and please put it back to the digest way not the instant message please as this will fill up my email box too quickly. I will check it when I can. Thank you Karen and Stevie = Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
BMDCA Lobby Raffle
Well folks , I heard a rumor that Pat Long intends to WIN this BMDCA Lobby raffle ! Humph ! Now , I realize that Pat runs this show , and is my boss on the error crew , HOWEVER .. Apparently she has a really good chance of winning because hardly anyone has bought tickets !! Come on ! We all have to give Pat a run for her money !! It will keep her teeth grating and her hair standing on end , HAHA ! Not to mention it's a good cause ! No matter what your Berner politics are , buying tickets for this raffle will help ALL berners. My hubby doesn't need that Valentine card THAT badly , heh , heh :-). A paltry $5 will get you a chance to win a sketch of your berner. The sketch samples on the website are gorgeous ! Go take a look and let's make Pat Long sweat bullets until Feb 22 !! website : http://bmdcgs.org/lobby/berner_gallery.htm Laurie Montoya (Hannah and Shelby the Wonder Mutt)(probably now fired error crew member)
He's afraid of his crate
Hi All, I have a problem. My ~1 year old male Berner named Paws now won't go into his crate. Let me give you a bit of history and maybe someone can give me some ideas as to how to work with this issue. Paws is a BARC rescue who went to the auctions at about 4 months of age. I presume he spent a lot of that 4 months crated but don't know. He was at his rescue home for about 2 months before he came to us and was not crated much during that time. When we got him at about 6 months, we crated him when we needed to leave him alone (not for long periods) and at night until we felt comfortable with him in the house. He was never overly fond of going into his crate but was enticed with treats and was fine with that. We stopped night crating fairly soon, it took longer to trust him during the day but now he doesn't spend time in a crate at all. I had been feeding him in his crate (based upon recommendations from others) since he definately showed signs of not really liking his crate much in the first place (who could blame him!). However, I stopped that practice probably 3 months or so ago. Around Christmas he pulled his cruciate ligament and ultimately spent a day in a crate at the vets on two different occasions. We did not crate him during his recovery/rest period as it wasn't deemed necessary. He also gets crated after his grooming at the groomers until I arrive which is probably 1-2 hours at most. The groomer said she had a heck of a time getting him into the crate this last time so I decided to see what I could do with him at home. At first I put treats in his crate - interested but not going in. Then I decided to try feeding him in his crate again so as to get him thinking crates can be a great place to be (he is very food motivated). However, this is not working. At first I placed the food inside the crate at the back end, no way was he going in there! So I moved it to the front and eventually (after much encouragement) he (rapidly) ate his food. That worked for a few days and then I started moving his food further back in the crate so more of him had to go into the crate. He went as far as he could stretch and keep his feet out of the crate but refuses to go any further. (He actually looked like he was going to fall flat on his face he was leaning forward so far with his legs so far back). So this is where we are and I'm trying to figure out what to do now. A crate is going to be something he will have to be in at various points in his life so he needs to get over this problem. Am I taking the right approach? Should I just put his food in the crate (basically out of reach) and leave it until he gets hungry enough to go in there for it (so far he hasn't gone in today though he goes and checks out the situation rather often)? Am I moving too fast for him and should I move the food back to within stretching range? Or should I bodily put him into the crate with his food so that he knows he gets a great yummy once he's in there (not sure I like this approach)? Oh, I've been working on this for this past week, just so you have a timeframe. And his crate is in the same location it has always been in so that's no change and it's the extra large collapsable cage type, not a vari-kennel. Thanks a lot for any suggestions/help you might have. = Cindy Buhner and Paws (the BARC boy) Help a good cause www.barcinc.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: trying to get information
Okay, I have a question why is it okay for a rescue organization to chose not to share this info, but not a breeder? I didn't say it was ok, I just stated that it's a fact. Personally, I don't agree with it. I think all known medical and identity information about the dog should be provided to the adoptor. *** I agree. Assuming they're not incapacitated in some way, are there reasons I'm not thinking of for a breeder not to provide information to the adoptor of a dog they place? Very possible there are issues I'm not considering... *** I can't think of any unconsidered issues, Sherri. Sometimes these questions just pop into my head. Sometimes I'm playing devil's advocate when I ask, sometimes I'm just curious and sometimes I'm being nosey Oh! I didn't say that, did I? LOLOL *** All of the dog's history the breeder has knowledge of, excluding previous owners' names and contact info, should be part of what's rehomed with the dog. Ditto for a rescue organization are my feelings. All history the rescue organization has knowledge of, excluding previous owners' names and contact info, should be part of the rescue package. How can a new owner know what they're getting into if they have no info? *** On the flip side oh, that expression's going to date me. There isn't a flip side on a CD! why would someone not insist the breeder provide this info BEFORE taking the dog home? I can think of only one situation. Tailwags, Cathy, Memories BMDs
Re: harness
Yes, With my rescue lab who was incredibly strong and not leash trained, I went from a halti to a no-pull harness. Basically she'd benefitted a lot from the halti for the inital training but I was tired of people scared thinking it was a muzzle and she was vicious or I was a brutal owner. . I know with the colored haltis these impressions are less. I still use a no-pull harness and like it a lot. It's a cheap kind found at most pet stores- can't remmeber the brand name nw. She's relatively well leash trained, but can get hard when lizards accross our path(used to be squirrels in New England!).It gives me more stability and spares her a jerk around the throat, which could be dangerous. With my berner I'm trying for buckle leash training, and with my mini schnauzer, who tugs so much I'm getting a harness too. Simone Lima Brasilia Brazil. - Original Message - From: Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Berner-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: harness has anyone used a harness that inhibits pulling with their dog. i am not talking about a halti or gentle leader, just an old fashioned no pull harness? thanks andrea
auction update
Sorry for the delay in telling everyone what happened yesterday at the auction, but with a new baby, such a long night and an early morning, it takes me a while to get anything done! The auction news is both good and bad. Many of the dogs were scratched from the auction prior to it starting, and many of Bub Gage's dogs were pulled mid auction. Our best guess as to the reason is the low bids that the dogs were bringing. These bids were nowhere near the bid prices that he got last year and the year before. Of the 15 dogs he had scheduled to be auctioned, I believe only 5 were actually placed for auction. The BARC board decided that BARC would not be the outlet for Bub's dogs. In the past, these dogs have had numerous health problems, particularly orthopedic ones, and always severe. Many of you may not be aware that Bub is the source for many of the pups that have shown up in the pet stores. He can't sell his dogs here in KS or MO and is having no luck CO. which was another one of his big markets. So BARC's board requested that those rescuers going to the auction on behalf of BARC NOT bid on the Gage dogs unless they were going at ridiculously low amounts. Well, we did come home with 1 Gage dog. A male that sold for 450.00. Take note that this is a far cry from the $2500-8100 we paid a year and two years ago. :-) As most of you are aware, BARC has placed a cap on our bids at the last several auctions to insure that WE are not the reason for the high prices or increase in numbers of berners sold at auction. At the last two auctions, we noted that the prices for Berners have begun to fall and continue to do so. The number of dogs to be sold in this auction was comparatively high. There were many more Cavaliers, Pomeranian and Yorkie's than Bernese, and to my knowledge, their breed clubs have not been at the auctions bidding on their breeds. We went to the auctions with limits on what we would spend per dog and how many we could handle in terms of fostering, veterinary care and transportation. In the end, BARC came home with 13 dogs. In total,I believe there were approximately 30 Berners sold. I don't have the catalog here to give you the exact numbers, but I can tell you that the auctioneers were expecting BARC to take the final bids, they came to BARC with dogs that people had retracted their bid on, and when they had a dog with a high reserve that no one else would pay, again they came looking for BARC. In all of these scenarios, BARC did not buy at the inflated prices they were asking for, leaving them with no money in their pockets for all the trouble of offering this large number of Berners. There were groups of Amish/Mennonites there with their trailers ready to buy. I am sure that Bob Hughes knew putting SO many berners and rare breeds up for sale at once would draw the Amish/Mennonites from PA and he was right. As much as I would have loved to spend every one's money and come home with ALL of those dogs, I truly believe that the statement we made was a loud one, and possibly one of the means to help us to an end. FYI; Berners were NOT the highest selling dogs at this auction.the Leo's have seemed to draw their interest now. There was a Leo that sold for 5000.00 Cavaliers are still in high demand and will probably stay there for a while since they are so much easier to house and sell. The highest selling berner at this auction was $2750.00. This was for a 4 year old female that I suspect they had problems breeding. Many of these dogs were there because the breeders/importers could not sell the dogs. Others I think have learned that raising and selling this breed is NOT going to be as easy as most breeds because the true berner lovers are SO much more aggressive about education and protecting their breed. So it is a double-edged sword...we are glad they are having a tough time breeding and selling the dogs, but we hate to see them show up at auction. I hope you are all as pleased as I am with the job these wonderful BARC people did. It is not easy to go to these auctions, but it is even tougher when you are sent with instructions and limitations. If any one has ANY questions, please feel free to ask. I am always available in any way that I can be of help. Thank you again Gary, Penny, Liz and Jim.ya did good! Amy R. Kessler LionHeart Bernese BARC, Inc. PO Box 472892 Aurora, Co 80047 www.barcinc.com
Watchung BMD Show Schedule
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Please change me to individual posts.
Please change. Thanks. Linda R. Wilbur Henrietta, NY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You've got to laugh!
Hi All, Earlier today I had put a Guestbook on the Histio Roll Call WebPage I am busily constructing at the moment and a little later had the usual confirmation mail back from from the host server. Here's part of the message: You've just created the Web ID: histiocytosis for yourself, and we couldn't be happier! Well, you've got to laugh! BTW All those of you on the original Roll Call who have sent me pics or promised to send, biggest thanks! Starting to look like a proper website! Those of you who haven't responded to all those personal mails I sent out, I hope you have a good excuse and were away for the weekend or only have a computer at work!! Seriously, the response has been fantastic! In just a week, that simple, sad list of names is becoming a real Tribute page to those beautiful dogs and those very brave owners. If you have lost a Berner to Histio and are not on the original list, please let me know, and I'll add you on there. Find the page on: http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/histiorollcall.htm All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Fwd: Florida Berner Rescue Needed
---BeginMessage--- Ruth - In today's Palm Beach, FL, Daily News, the Peggy Adams Animal Rescue Shelter listed Charlie, a 7 year old male(neutered?) Bernese mix as needing a home. My mother called me with the news as I have been owned by berners since 1985. I live in NY and am going to forward this to Kathy Deyo and Ron Loudin and the Berner-l. Is there anyone else I should try??? I know that recue people usually will not help a berner mix; I also know that there is alot of dog-fighting in the surrounding area. It would be a cruel horrible end for Charlie, as I am sure you know what these monsters do to a big dogHoping to hear from you soon. Helen Pilkington ---End Message---
Re: BERNER-L digest 4261
please take me off your mailing list. Thank you, Brenda - Original Message - From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: BERNER-L digest 4261 BERNER-L Digest 4261 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Karen, libraries and copy stores have internet access by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Elbow dysplasia surgery? by jess ractliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) In memoriam Max by =?iso-8859-2?B?Um9t4W4gVO1tZWE=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Elbow dysplasia surgery? by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) puppies by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) stevie and karen by Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: BERNER-L digest 4259 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) RE: Puppy ate a bully stick! by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) RE: Weird things eaten by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Re: Cute Valentine Berners (CDN) by Mike Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Fun on the farm! by jean cheesman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Bye from Karen and Stevie by Karen McFarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) One last fling!! by Karen McFarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) Request by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Things dogs eat by Angela Wagenblast [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) Going to be banned from Zellers by Coral and David Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) harness by Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) Lobby Raffle by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) Veterinarian on Southern Vancouver Island by Tracy Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24) Re: BERNER-L digest 4260 by etfonehome1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25) Re: weird things eaten by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26) Re: Rescue BMD w/ issues needs help by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27) Re: Fussy Puppy/ breeders diet guidelines by Michaela Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28) Re: trying to get information by Burlile\\MemoriesBMDs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29) Re: Fussy Puppy/ breeders diet guidelines by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Food for thought
Let us SUPPOSE that I am new to the list. I am learning several things: if my Berner plays with a Lab, I can bid farewell to good orthopedic status. If my Berner presents with a lump, first rule out cancer. If my Berner does not remain on the exact same diet on which the breeder's dogs thrive, he will surely be, at some point, rushed to the vet. with a tummy ailment that defies diagnosis. Are we talking about farm dogs here or Grandma's little lap dog? How fragile are these dogs going to become? Lisa Allen Blessed with Berners since 1983! _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Fussy eaters?
I don't know about the rest of you, but this whole fussy eater thing boggles my mind. Griffin and Loki get a mix of Iams kibble in the morning with cottage cheese and at dinner, they get cooked ground beef and oatmeal mixed with a pureed slurry of vegies and fruit. I can see no difference in there ravenous attitudes towards either dish set before them! I just thought Bernese were always hungry and would eat anything! Guess I was wrong. It's so interesting to hear about the different habits of other dogs of the same breed. Good luck with your fussy eater. If I were you, I would try to get her to eat the dry kibble with a heaping spoonfull of cottage cheese mixed in. I think it might make the medicine go down a little more enjoyably and it's gives them a little extra calcium! I'm no expert, but I think it keeps their skin from getting too dry. Bernerly yours, Melissa Chan, Portland, OR The kids, Griffin and Loki
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I'm receiving a lot of errors from this email address. Actually its the reply to one. This person is not a member of the Berner-l, but maybe someone knows them. I need to get in contact with them. Thanks for your help Sylvia Katval On Error Duty
Re: BMDCA Lobby Raffle
Oh, Auntie Laurie; My mom has been a real slacker on sending in her check to the BMDCA Lobby Raffle. I was having a hard time figuring out how to write out a check to send. My paws are too big to hold a pen, and when I hold it in my mouth, I just want to CHEW it! But guess what!!! I just figured out how to write checks on the computer from my Dad's business account! It's so much fun to step on the keys and make checks! I'll carry it to the postoffice tomorrow, myself, I promise. After all, we Berners owe a lot to everyone who is out there making the world a better place for all of us dogs. Don't we? Hugs, Halley Parky-Cagwin BARC's Comet Comes Home Well folks , I heard a rumor that Pat Long intends to WIN this BMDCA Lobby raffle ! Humph ! Now , I realize that Pat runs this show , and is my boss on the error crew , HOWEVER .. Apparently she has a really good chance of winning because hardly anyone has bought tickets !! Come on ! We all have to give Pat a run for her money !! It will keep her teeth grating and her hair standing on end , HAHA ! Not to mention it's a good cause ! No matter what your Berner politics are , buying tickets for this raffle will help ALL berners. My hubby doesn't need that Valentine card THAT badly , heh , heh :-). A paltry $5 will get you a chance to win a sketch of your berner. The sketch samples on the website are gorgeous ! Go take a look and let's make Pat Long sweat bullets until Feb 22 !! website : http://bmdcgs.org/lobby/berner_gallery.htm Laurie Montoya (Hannah and Shelby the Wonder Mutt)(probably now fired error crew member)
Re: Food for thought
Lisa, My puppy owners are free to tell me what they think works, and offer up a diet different from the one I reccomend, I'm not unreasonable. I do not however believe a diet of imported pepperoni and white cake are good for a puppy, (yes, actual diet I was informed my puppy was eating.) Oh, he also would eat white castle hamburgers, but only if they take him to white castle to eat them there. Nor do I believe that cat food is the food of choice for a growing puppy. No, they won't die, the dog I mentioned will be ten years old in June, but he was 128 lbs. on a frame that should hold 90 - 95 lbs. and recently the vet told them his cause of breathing problems was all the fat constricting his heart. They finally got it! He went on a kibble diet, no more dog candy, and has lost 18 lbs. He now walks over 5 blocks each time without stopping where he had only made 1/2 a block before sitting down and resting before. These Berner kids can be VERY manipulative and convensing. if I can't have the pepperoni I'll just starve myself to death. I have to step in and try to bring a reasonable diet back into the dish. When this boy came for a visit while Mom Dad were in Italy he turned his nose up at hot dogs, etc. Within 3 days he was eating kibble AND enjoying it. Too bad it didn't last. They met us the night before he was being shown and kept him in their motel room. I asked the next morning if he had eaten his dinner. Yes! They replied. We ordered him a large cut prime rib, he loved it! Frail??? As far as eating? Nah, but they can be quite manipulative! Exercize?? You should see our gang running, jumping and chasing down (in play) my son's mixed breed that is built like a Gazelle! Never had one torn or ruptured cruciate. And they leap at full speed over that diving board, and race around the pool. Bernerly, Mary Jeff Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself. Wayne Dyer - Psychotherapist, Author and Speaker
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Re: Weird things eaten
Audrey, I'm certain it's okay for her to eat those tags as Schoenli IS the consumer! VBG Sharon (Snow again in St. Louis) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Weird things eaten Schoenli specializes in eating the tags that come on pillows that say UNDER PENALTY OF LAW NOT TO BE REMOVED EXCEPT BY CONSUMER. She's removed them from every seat cushion and pillow in the house. Audrey Lyke
Re: Weird things eaten
In a message dated 02/09/2003 9:48:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Schoenli specializes in eating the tags that come on pillows that say UNDER PENALTY OF LAW NOT TO BE REMOVED EXCEPT BY CONSUMER. And she is consuming them, hence she IS the consumer LOL. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCSEW Tracking Test Chair/Sec. NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Hugo's puzzle - and hopes of water therapy
It has been a rough go lately with Hugo. The surgeon's x-rays on Saturday showed nothing unusual. Blood and urine normal. He's not sure what caused Hugo's setback eight days ago but was certain it wasn't due to the kind of home-grown physical therapy I was giving him (holding out treats so he would move a few inches, kicking and finally stretching his neck to get the treat). The surgeon said Hugo definitely had feeling in his feet but at this point wasn't using his brain motor to move the legs purposefully. He suggested an MRI but we said we weren't putting him through any more surgery and he understood that. Back home, we sat him up for his meal. As I was holding the bowl to his face, I looked down to see he was no longer holding his front paws out the way he has for the last week, completely stiff and rigid from the shoulder with a big triangle of space between him and the floor. Now he was bending his elbows in a relaxed position! He only wanted to stay up for a few minutes but it was a start. I did some gentle ROM exercises with one front paw and noticed it was now able to move all the way forward. My question is - what can we attribute this positive change to? Subcutaneous fluid? Or not getting his prednisone for a day because of the vomiting (I doubt it)? Or was it something the surgeon did - holding him into a pseudo-standing position or just all that moving around? If you have any thoughts on this, please email me. To the kind emailer who was concerned about what Hugo wants, please be assured that we want what is best for him and what he wants. And if it becomes evident that he wants to go, we will let him do that. But it is not clear yet what his chances are of recovery. I am hoping to get him into hydrotherapy this week, if the surgeon and the hydro-therapist ever connect. Donna and Hugo, Southern Calif.
Raffle
Querida Halley, I have a new kitten at home, Lloyd that has become very handy with his tiny, little paws; they work amazingly well in the computer keyboard! Now I don't have to bribe Abby to do the typing for me ;-)...the little fellow is sooo attached to me, he does everything I ask, ha! Anyway, I really want my portrait!!! I have to find the way to buy some tickets...I'll just ask Lloyd to send a check to aunt Joye, she can cash foreign ones! I read it in the website! http://bmdcgs.org/lobby/berner_gallery.htm Fondly in love with your pictures, Ravel Laura and the MexGang Ravel, Abby, Lloyd and our AngelDogs, Normann and Baxter Laura Lopez-Mendez, DVM Mexico City [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/llmvet/MexGang.html Oh, Auntie Laurie; My mom has been a real slacker on sending in her check to the BMDCA Lobby Raffle. I was having a hard time figuring out how to write out a check to send. My paws are too big to hold a pen, and when I hold it in my mouth, I just want to CHEW it! But guess what!!! I just figured out how to write checks on the computer from my Dad's business account! It's so much fun to step on the keys and make checks! I'll carry it to the postoffice tomorrow, myself, I promise. After all, we Berners owe a lot to everyone who is out there making the world a better place for all of us dogs. Don't we? Hugs, Halley Parky-Cagwin BARC's Comet Comes Home
