Re: Altered Classes
Hi Robin, I was trying to figure things out in the planning book and being from 'south of the border' g, I'm totally confused! Can you straighten me out on how it works ... I guess the Altered classes are judged separately...like a separate show? When are they done? And what exactly is For Exhibition only? when do those dogs show? Also, Can you help with the rules for regular Veterans classes as far as altered vs not? It was a LOT easier when I just went without dogs! g ~ Sherri
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Hi Sherri, All these classes can get confusing particularly since many of them are only offered at a Specialty Show and not at the regular Conformation Shows. I guess the Altered classes are judged separately...like a separate show? When are they done? Yes, the Sexually Altered Classes are judged separately - like a show within a show. A Sexually Altered (ALT) Championship is earned in the same fashion as the regular championship - the show is identical in every respect, except that only neutered/spayed dogs may enter the ALT classes. All altered-males first compete for best Altered- Male, and ribbons are awarded for placements 1st through 4th. The same process is done for the altered-Females. The Winners Male and Winners Female then compete for Best Altered in Breed. Points are awarded as follows: 1 - 2 dogs in the class equals 1 Pt. 3 - 5 dogs in the class equals 2 Pts 6 - 9 dogs in the class equals 3 Pts. 10 -12 dogs in the class equals 4 Pts. 13 + dogs in the class equals 5 Pts. Ten points are need for an Altered CH, just like for an regular CH. The CH(ALT) is separate from the regular Ch, so if your dog earned its championship and was then neutered, you can still compete for a CH(ALT). Altered classes are usually held at the end of the Specialty Show, if there is only one conformation judge assigned to the Specialty (this is normally the case). The altered classes may be held in separate ring and run concurrent to the regular class judging, if there is a second conformation judge assigned to the Sexually Altered and non-regular classes (This will happen if there is a very large entry at a Specialty show). US dogs can come to Canada and compete in the Altered-class, but they need to have to get an ERN (event registration number) from the CKC to earn points and that requires that the dog have a full AKC registration (not a limited registration, on which pets are usually sold). A breeder can change a limited registration to full registration (temporarily, if necessary) to apply for the ERN. There will be a charge for changing the registration. There is also a charge for the ERN. How to get an ERN number is explained on http://www.dogbiz.com/dog-shows-can/show-ern-num-ckc.htm You can show your AKC registered dog (on a full registation) without an ERN number by just paying the listing fee ($4.28) -- but if you win any points you'll have to get an ERN number within 30 days of the shows or you will forfeit the win and your points will go to the reserve winner. Some people wait to see if they win any points at a show prior to doing the paper work to get an ERN number. Are you even more confused now Sherri :-) And what exactly is For Exhibition only? when do those dogs show? Exhibition-only allows pure-bred dogs that are not entered in any of the classes officially attend the show (dogs not entered in the show are not allowed into the show site, unless they are entered in exhibition-only). The dogs are assigned a number and listed in the catalogue like all the other dogs in the show. It also allows dogs that may not want to show in regular classes at a dog show to be entered in the Sweepstakes or non-regular classes (ie, brace, stud dog, brood bitch). Also, Can you help with the rules for regular Veterans classes as far as altered vs not? In CKC Specialty shows, dogs over 7 years of age entered in regular veteran's class may be spayed or neutered (this is not allowed in the US). The Veterans may or may not have completed a championship to be entered (ie, Specials can be entered in this class). The regular veterans classes are NOT divided into age groups (ie,7-8 years, 9-10 years, over 10) like they are in the veteran Sweepstakes. The male veterans class is held after the Winners Dog competition and the veterans bitch class is held after Winners Bitch competition. The best veteran dog in class and the best veteran bitch in class then go on to compete in the Best of Breed competition with the Winners Dog and Winners Bitch and all the Specials (dog with CKC championships). A prize is usually awarded to the Best Veteran in Specialty Show which is decided between the best male and female veteran at the end of the Best of Breed judging. Just as a note, the Best of Breed winner in the BMDCC 1999 Specialty was the veteran dog (however, this dog was not neutered). I hope I've explained that clearly enough. This dog show stuff is complicated when you have to write it all out. = Robin Camken Ottawa, ON, Canada E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: Altered Classes
Hi Jen, I appreciate your sentiments about enjoying showing and why you take your altered female into the ring. BUT, I stick by my view that finished Champions should not be in the altered ring in the Open Class anymore than I think finished Champions ie Specials should be held down in the Open Class in the regular ring. It is discouraging to people who are trying to finish a title on a dog when retired Specials turn up in their classes. I hope to encourage more novice handlers to exibit their pet dogs in the altered classes without them feeling overwhelmed by experienced show dogs dominating the scene. As you say all are welcome in the Seiger Show and your girl has done very well in those but it would be nice to leave a little cream for someone else's pie:-) Rose Tierney
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Hi, -Original Message- From: Marjie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 5, 2003 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can see lots of altered dogs in the show ring. They're in the agility ring, the obedience ring, the draft ring, the herding arena. :-) Marjie Hi, I wish, we have a few dedicated sport competitors but not to showcase numbers. I would like to see more altered dogs in the conformation ring as a judgement of the type being bred to standard. In all breeds sport dogs are not always to standard in appearance though great working dogs. Its always nice to see the Versatility Title awarded but not everybody has the time to commit to trials and manage other aspects of their life, therefore the Conformation Ring remains the judgement arena for type. Rose
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:10:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to see more altered dogs in the conformation ring as a judgement of the type being bred to standard. I think your post has great merit Rose, I quite agree that a breeding program is best evaluated by the 'whole' of its production and not the exception. Unfortunately, the fancy in the US is generally quite adamant about the breed ring being focused on 'breeding stock', period. Under AKC rules, I even have to change my Veteran bitch's registration from Limited to Full in order to show her in Sweepstakes classes! -Sherri
Re: Altered Classes
Rose Tierney wrote: I also think it is meaningless for a regular pointed finished champion to participate for an altered championship. Why not leave those classes for those that are untitled. I wasn't aware of the altered championship. Maybe a greater awareness (promotion) of this would encourage the entries in altered classes at specialty shows here in Canada. Wouldn't it be a wonderful opportunity to involve more pet owners in the show ring and for everyone to see more of what is being produced in different breeding programs! Plus, as many people find showing to be addictive fun, this may have more pet owners being bitten by the show bug, resulting in more dogs in regular conformation rings as people get a second dog (and you just know you've gotta!) and decide to show it. Also, I think that reduced rates for altered dogs are a good idea - this time around I was surprised to see that entry fees for altered classes are the same as regular classes - at the last specialty we were at they were much much less - $6 CDN if I recall correctly. I have a girl who is now spayed, but finished her CH before being spayed. I really enjoy the show ring (and think she does too) and miss being able to show her, but didn't want to live with an intact girl forever, especially as we were adding a male show hopeful to the household. I look forward all year to the altered classes at the specialty as an opportunity to get out there with her again and have some fun in the ring together. Jen P.S. Pet owners - altered dogs can be shown in the Sieger show - do the US specialties have these shows in addition to their regular classes?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 1:19:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P.S. Pet owners - altered dogs can be shown in the Sieger show - do the US specialties have these shows in addition to their regular classes? Not to date. A Sieger show would be an optional event at the BMDCA national specialty and would be offered at the discretion of the club or consortium hosting the show. I don't recall one being offered since i've been attending the national (1994) but could be wrong. -Sherri V (Still angling for a Wet Dog Contest or Class)
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Hi Jen, Just to let you know the signifantly reduced fee for entry in the altered class at the Specialty held in Bradford last year was an exception. I was also entered in that class with my male dog. When I was filling in the entry form, I thought it was a mistake. As a result, I entered him in for exhibition only as well, just in case. The Altered Classes are actually a show within a show. The points are awarded just like in regular conformation classes and go towards a chamionship. If your girl eventually gets 10 points, which I'm sure she will. You can add another title to her name. The entry fee is usually the same as for regular classes (or very close) for that reason. If you notice with other non-regular classes (but not the altered classes) you must be entered either in a regular class or in for exhibition Only in order to enter---which means you pay the equivalent to a reqular class entry $15.00 + 10.00 = $25.00 It works out that everyone showing a dog at least once in the show pays the same entry fee. If you are entered a second or third time in a non-regular class, then you only pay the reduced fee. I hope that clarify why the fees are set the way they are. If you have any question, please don' hestiate to contact me. Robin Camken BMD Specailties 2003 Chair Subject:Re: Altered Classes Also, I think that reduced rates for altered dogs are a good idea - this time around I was surprised to see that entry fees for altered classes are the same as regular classes - at the last specialty we were at they were much much less - $6 CDN if I recall correctly. Jen P.S. Pet owners - altered dogs can be shown in the Sieger show - do the US specialties have these shows in addition to their regular classes? = Robin Camken Ottawa, ON, Canada E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Altered Classes
Hi Sherry, Here in Canada we have altered classes but I've only seen them offered at Specialties. Personally I would love to see more altered dogs in the showring as I believe a breeder can be measured for the quality of their pet dogs as well:-) Also I would like to see the transference of points from regular classes made up to contribute to altered championships for those dogs who may have been altered half way through their show career. I also think it is meaningless for a regular pointed finished champion to participate for an altered championship. Why not leave those classes for those that are untitled. Rose T.
Re: Altered Classes
Rose Tierney wrote: . Personally I would love to see more altered dogs in the showring as I believe a breeder can be measured for the quality of their pet dogs as well:-) You can see lots of altered dogs in the show ring. They're in the agility ring, the obedience ring, the draft ring, the herding arena. :-) Marjie
