RE: Bones and Berners

2003-02-06 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Susan,
Frozen bones can cause microfissures in the enamel of the teeth and are
"harder" than thawed, more likely to break teeth and can themselves
splinter badly.

Rose Tierney

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Re: Bones and Berners " Frozen"

2003-02-05 Thread Ray & Pat Burgett
If they are bones with lots of cartilage on them,, frozen is fine but the
harder bones fed frozen just enhance the chances of a broken tooth.
We fed them frozen also a few years ago but changed our minds after hearing
of broken teeth from them.

But many folks feed them frozen and have never had a problem, but we figured
what the heck, why take a chance.

RB

Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese
Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow & Max
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Re: Bones and Berners

2003-02-05 Thread Susan Berlin

> We have a small freezer in the shop that is for bone storage and when I
open
> that they are setting their waiting. But alas they have to wait till the
> bones are thawed out.


Why? My guys are delighted to chew on bone Popsicles -- is there a reason
they shouldn't have them frozen?

Susan
on Salt Spring Island
with Djinn and Riley




RE: Bones and Berners

2003-02-05 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Cindy,
Unfortunately it sounds like you gave Bridger a processed bone, one that
has been cooked and smoked. They break easily because of their brittleness
and can cause problems in the stomach and intestines. I think it might be
prudent to have an xray taken to see what is happening to the fragments and
shards of this bone.

The types of "real" bones we feed are raw, straight from the butcher and
not processed in any way. I prefer the big beef ribs and throw them out
when just the rib is left, the back bone part is all scrunched up and
eaten. Crushable bones are better than hard marrow bones which can fracture
the teeth but when feeding the big knuckle bones you might want to limit
the time the new bone chewer has them as they can cause constipation and
also the endorphine effect of intense chewing needs to be moderated
particularly in hot weather.

All the best

Rose T.




Re: Bones and Berners

2003-02-04 Thread Ray & Pat Burgett
Cindy
We give our Berners raw "never cooked" beef bones for recreational chewing.
When we have a beef butchered we have the butcher save us most all of the
bones except the shank bones. The dogs love the rib, back, neck and knuckle
bones and they do a great job of keeping the teeth clean which is a added
benefit. You can get knuckle bones at most supermarkets. If we run out of
bones we buy the rack of beef ribs when they are on sale.

We have a small freezer in the shop that is for bone storage and when I open
that they are setting their waiting. But alas they have to wait till the
bones are thawed out.

Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese
Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow & Max
www.goodbernerfood.com
http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/
Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep




Re: Bones and Berners

2003-02-04 Thread Eileen Morgan


- Original Message -
From: "Cindy Schaumberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> My husband and I may have messed up this weekend and I need your opinions.
> We got our 5 1/2 year old girl, Bridger, a real, basted bone for
Christmas.
We didn't think much more of
> it, but last night, Bridger threw up.  This morning, she was heaving
again,
> but didn't throw up.  She ate fine, and drank water fine, but we are just
> concerned that if she swallowed the bone almost whole, she may have
> complications.

I like raw bones, not basted, if I am going to give a real bone. Mic has
eaten real bones entirely in the past without incident. While Mic tolerates
a real raw bone very well, my girls get barfy after eating a bone. This is
most likely because I feed bones rarely and their systems are not really
adjusted for raw bones. If I limit the amount of time with the raw bones the
problem evaporates.

If you are concerned, talk to your vet. Otherwise, just watch your fellow
for signs of discomfort.

Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
http://www.enter.net/~edlehman


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Bones and Berners

2003-02-04 Thread Cindy Schaumberg

My husband and I may have messed up this weekend and I need your opinions.
We got our 5 1/2 year old girl, Bridger, a real, basted bone for Christmas.
Her whole life she's just had the rawhide bones and has done very well with
them.  We decided to see if she liked the "real thing".  This weekend it was
nice out and we decided since we were all outside and we could watch her,
we'd give Bridger the bone.  It literally disappeared within 20 minutes.
Our jaws just dropped as we wondered if this was what was supposed to
happen.  We figured it would last for weeks.  We didn't think much more of
it, but last night, Bridger threw up.  This morning, she was heaving again,
but didn't throw up.  She ate fine, and drank water fine, but we are just
concerned that if she swallowed the bone almost whole, she may have
complications.

Do you guys know what happens to the bone once inside the stomach?  Will it
digest ok?

Next question, and one we probably should have asked before we even gave her
the bone is, should we give her a real bone?  What are the pros and cons of
doing so?

Thanks so much !!

Cindy, Jason and Hailey Schaumberg
"Bridger" - Berner