RE: BMDs & Eosinophilic Gastroenteritis

2003-01-30 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Fred and Helen,
My eight year old girl Lily was diagnosed with eosinophilic gastroenteritis
after a bout of e-coli plus 3 following a raw chicken back (no flames here
I was trying a BARF thing and learned very quickly that a dog suffering
from immune mediated disease does not need raw chicken in their diet) We
got the brakes on the diarrhea with 100mgs of Prednisone daily and reduced
to 50mgs and slowly weaned off. Lily had endoscopic examination of her
stomach and duodenum and samples taken for pathology. Early cell change was
noted. This disease progresses steadily reducing the body's ability to
absorb nutrients and the dog will lose condition. We stabilised Lily for
awhile and her alarmingly low albumin levels picked up  but they plummeted
down again and we put her on 25mg Prednisone daily for a week and then went
every other day but she was not able to manage being dosed every other day.

She had never been a Berner to eat socks or towels etc but just lately she
started and had also taken to gulping snow down despite having water
constantly available to her.

The progression of this disease varies with each patient but it cannot be
cured. Palliative care works best, when they are on Prednisone you cannot
use Metacam or other anti-inflammatories so if you have other treatments
for other conditions you should check with your veterinarian.

Watch your dog closely for eating socks etc, I think Lily's internal
"soreness" prompted her new habit.

Rose




Re: BMDs & Eosinophilic Gastroenteritis

2003-01-30 Thread BernerFolk
Hi Fred,

I'm not a vet but everything you've described sounds very much like a severe 
case of "the gulps".  You'll find lots of information on this in the Berner-L 
archives, just do a search on "Gulps".

I haven't done the diagnostics that you have, but I have an 11 y.o. bitch 
who's prone to allergies and has had Gulps since she was a youngster.  They 
got worse over time and got better and worse seasonally along with her foot 
licking.  There were periods when I was up with her all night long for weeks 
on end. :(

I was able to address her seasonal allergies with some basic supplements and 
get her off the pred regime during her worst periods, spring & fall.  That 
process reduced the frequency and severity of her Gulps a great deal.  

With that success as a springboard, I finally took the plunge and switched 
her to a totally BARF diet so I could control ALL ingredients. (We realized 
early on that specific foods would set off the Gulps in a flash, and it only 
took a morsel!)

In the course of refining her diet, I discovered that she is so sensitive to 
soy that most brands of Vit E (which is typically derived from soy) will 
trigger an attack.  Beef, buffalo, wheat, most cruciferous veggies, and a few 
other things will as well.  BTW~ Food allergies often develop over time so 
the food a dog has been fine on previously can suddenly become problematic.  
Also, food manufacturers tend to change their ingredients over time so the 
food can change without you knowing it.  I found this by reading the label on 
the super premium kibble I'd used for years.

The good news is that with her seasonal allergies under control and her diet 
under control, my old girl's virtually gulp free!   The only exception is if 
she's put on some medications, such as antibiotics.  

If she does have to be on a medication that's a trigger, I give a Pepcid AC 
COMPLETE once a day (Berry flavored chewable, be sure to crumble it up before 
giving).  The "Complete" contains a conventional antacid for quick knockdown 
AND a drug that reduces the production of stomach acid.  It's VERY effective. 
 For longer term use such as the presence of an inoperable mast cell tumor, 
the regular Pepcid AC is usually given daily. 

FWIW~ Based on the resports of many owners, there appears to be a connection 
between allergies and gulps.  "Gulpy" dogs often have other outward symptoms 
of allergy (foot licking, hot spots, yucky ears, etc).  Also, when the 
allergies are worse, the gulps are also worse, in frequency and severity.  

My *inexpert* theory is this:
In an allergic reaction histamines are released (known).  The histamine 
triggers an increase in production of stomach acid  (known).  This excess 
acid (and possibly reflux) results in what we see as "the Gulps" (theory).  
(BTW~In terms of your workups, the level of eosinophils circulating in the 
blood also increases as part of an allergic response (known).)

The pred will give you quick knock down of an allergic reaction and the fish 
& potato diet should address a food allergy.  If you use pred down the road, 
do keep in mind that it's very hard on the stomach so it can be a juggle 
between the benefit of the steroid and the possible aggravation of the 
irritated stomach problem.  

Assuming that there isn't some acid trigger going on (excessive stress and 
mast cell tumor are possibilities), I'd expect that Mick will be doing very 
well in no time.  Once he's gulp free, go VERY slowly at reintroducing food 
items, treats, and supplements if you use any.

Keep an eye on his footlicking, if it continues while he's on the fish & 
potato diet, there's a good chance it's due to an environmental allergen 
which you may not be able to eliminate.  In that case, there are some very 
benign supplements that can be very effective in dealing with the allergy.  
If you're interested, I can share the protocol that's been successful for my 
girl for several years now.  I have no financial interest in any of it and 
was quite the skeptic...trying the supplemental route as a long shot to avoid 
routine pred.  Wasn't I surprised to find that it actually worked!

-Sherri Venditti