Re: Neutering Poll
>I was wondering how many of you have neutered/spayed/unneutered/unspayed females and males, and what you're reasoning for doing it or not doing it is--i.e. >breeding purposes or personal preference, or whatever--and how many BMDs you do have. My first Bernese, Tinka, I inherited aged 6/7 yrs and she was already spayed. A great shame, she was perfectly marked, lived to almost fourteen with no health problems and would have made a wonderful mother as she had the best temperament ever. My second, Sam, was entire male, originally I had hoped to show and then possibly use as stud but this was not to be. Moved to the countryside when he was one and lived a healthy life until he developed lymphosarcoma aged five. Never found a need to have him neutered, he was never aggressive to other dogs or had inappropriate behaviour so thought it best to let him be. Sunny, was Sam's Half Sister/Niece by a later litter! Sam's full brother visiting the breeder mated with Mum, who was not even supposed to be in season and supposedly difficult to mate. Little Hidden Sunrise (my Sweet Sunny Girl) and Little Hidden Sunset were the result of the unplanned adventure. Sunny was spayed at around six months. I still had my Sam at that time and the consequences of a mating there would have been too incestuous! Sunny is now eight and has always been healthy. My Monster Pup, Simmy, now three, is full male. Hip and elbow scores are excellent, a very healthy, handsome dog. Have mated him once, unsuccessfully, but both dogs were young and plenty of time to go. His behaviour has not changed since then, I considered all the angles before we went ahead. (Hmmm! Read Jude Simmonds excellent articles on my Website re. the pros and cons of mating your dog before you decide to mate your dog) He has never been aggressive to other dogs and remains my good boy. Recent adoptee, Barney, is four and neutered male. His previous owners lived in town where keeping a full male is more difficult. Barney had been a bit of an escapologist! He is happily settled here now with the Gang and has lost a lot of weight. Combination of strict diet and plenty of exercise chasing around the woods with Sunny and Sim. Big point here, if dogs are neutered or spayed, watch the weight, they can pile on the pounds! Lots of health issues and other things to consider too. Vets will usually recommend spaying or neutering if you are not going to breed. Dealing with seasons and false pregnancies can be difficult especially if you live in a neighbourhood with lots of dogs around, similarly having a full blown male if there happens to be bitch in season round the corner! Good luck with yours whatever you decide!! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
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Re: Neutering poll
Sisco is our 3 year old intact male who we co-own with our breeder. He was kept intact while the rest of his litter was early spayed/neutered because our breeder saw potential as a future show quality guy. As it turned out, she was right and he finished his Can. Ch. when he was around 2. He has sired two litters so far, producing 14 little furballs. The best thing about the big goofball is his personality and temperament. Even after he became sexually mature and found out what the ladies are for, he remained sweet, loving, goofy, and very easy to manage even though he's a big clown at heart. He will go out of his way to avoid confrontations with other dogs, and we never have to worry about him in off-leash situations. He started lifting his leg when he was about 2 years old and will mark every leaf, blade of grass, tree, and bush on his hikes, and around our house, but never inside. He still squats to do a big dump, like first thing in the a.m. And interestingly enough, very recently he's just started the "studly scratch and stomp the ground" dance when he's through peeing out in the woods. There's never a dull moment with the big galloot around. For anyone who's interested, he can be seen on my website (URL below). Fran & Macho Man Sisco West Vancouver, BC -- Fran Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] SportSound Music:http://www.geocities.com/franinvancouver Phone: 604-926-0084 Fax: 604-926-9543
Re: Neutering poll
>I was wondering how many of you have neutered/spayed/unneutered/unspayed females and males, and what you're reasoning for doing it or not doing it is--i.e. >breeding purposes or personal preference, or whatever--and how many BMDs you do have. We spayed Mattie (our only dog) when she was 8 months old. We spayed her because is BARC rescue and her spay was part of the adoption contract as well as for the obvious reason that she was never going to be bred. We waited until she was 8 months mostly because we wanted her to recover from elbow surgery she had when she was 4-5 months. Sue Burnham and Matilde Santa Fe, NM
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Hi everyone. I neutered Thor at 3 1/2 years. I was showing him and had mild thoughts of using him at stud. But he started showing signs of aggression towards other dogs mainly males so I decided to nip that in the bud. At least remove the hormones. Its only been 2 months so haven't really seen alot of difference. In meantime I don't trust him with any dog but the other one he lives with. If I hadn't shown him I probably would have done it alot sooner. Anne Marie Ayotte and Thor Cadyville, NY MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
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i have one berner age 11, neutered at age 8 due to prostatitis. he was shown in conformation, not too successfully. (anyone who has seen me in the conformation ring could explain that!). my rottweiler was spayed at age 3 mos - on a non-breeding contract. my mixed breed was neutered at 8 weeks. the 2 dogs i have owned that were the biggest leg lifters consistently throughout their lives were my one bernese bitch (spayed at about 6 mos) & the mixed breed. & the mixed breed is extremely dysplastic so it must be important to him to lift his leg, since it is a big effort. lisa baldwin (dickens, bark & zel) seattle, wa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My first Berner, a male was neutered at 18 months. Never marked, lifted his leg when he felt like it. Only mounted the lovely female Basenji down the street. My current female was neutered at 10 months. She does not mark or lift her leg. I have seen females (neutered) of other breeds "mark". Do any female Berners do this? The biggest Berner I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot, was neutered at 5 months, is 31" tall and 125 pounds. I don't think neutering has anything to do with anything except better health and helping to control the mounting in some Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
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<> I have three dogs and have had a couple others in the past. I like all of my dogs neutered/spayed as I never intend to breed anything. The only reason that I've left any intact past puppyhood was to show. Bandit, BMD, who lived to 7 1/2 was neutered at 4 1/2 after I convinced his breeder that he was really too small to finish without going to the expense of a professional handler and wasting a lot of money in entries. I'm not into showing in conformation and only agreed to show him at all for the breeder's sake. I had an IG while my children were small. She was given to me with the agreement that I would whelp one litter, which I did and then had her spayed. Currently I have my son's Gordon Setter, an Australian Shepherd and a Berner. The Gordon was spayed by the time she was 6 months old. I was going to wait a bit on the Aussie to see how he turned out, conformation-wise in case my niece wanted to handle him to a CH. (She's trying to become a handler.) but had him neutered by the time he was 7 months old, soon after he started jumping the 5 1/2 foot fence to visit the neighbor's bitch in heat. I figured that if he was that horny at six months old, heaven help us! By the way, he still marks but not all of the time. Just most of the time. Even though he is not dominant with other dogs. Just wants to play with everyone. My Berner is just 18 months old and has a few points toward his CH. His breeder would like to finish him, if possible. I'm training him in agility and she would really like to have produced a versatility dog. I'm not really sure what all he needs to do but, if he lives long enough and she puts the CH in front of his name, I'll have no trouble putting whatever letters he needs after his name. But even then, my plan is to call for his neutering appointment the day his CH certificate arrives. This will make all of the rest so much easier. I mentioned Bandit, neutered at 4 1/2. This helped him stop marking in the house. (He would mark on my sons' beds if I had to discipline them.) He also became more easy-going even though he was always a very laid-back dog. It seemed as though he didn't have to worry anymore. He could just be a puppy again. He even went back to squatting most of the time. Claudia Brydon in NW PA Barney OA NAJ (Aussie) Boomer (Bernese Mountain Dog) Mo (Gordon Setter Granddog
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Hi there everyone...I was just thinking it would be interesting to do this since it's been a subject >we've been talking about a lot lately. I was wondering how many of you have >neutered/spayed/unneutered/unspayed females and males, and what you're reasoning for doing it >or not doing it is--i.e. breeding purposes or personal preference, or whatever--and how many >BMDs you do have. In order that they joined us: Male Berner, 4 yrs, neutered at 6 months (Micawber) Female Pyr, 4 yrs in a week, spayed at 5 months (Lliira) Female Newf, 3 yrs, spayed at six months (Nessie) Female Pyr, 5 yrs, spayed at 2 after litter of puppies (Cassie the Rescue) Mic comes from a moderately successful set of show dogs but is clearly pet quality; there are some finished dogs in his five gen, and his dad was being actively shown, but it is not exactly a roll call of show dogs. Lliira the Pyr girl is probably show quality; she comes from a family with 5 generations all CH, 8 Hall of Fame dogs and the top winning Pyr bitch in the US and the top winning Pyr (male) of all time within 5 generations. However, as we did not intend to show her or breed her, we spayed her to reduce the risk of breast cancer and to avoid dealing with heat periods (by the way--although her breeding is impeccable, Lliira was out least expensive puppy, which says more about demand for Pyrs vs. Newfs/Berners than anything else; Nessie was our priciest pup). Nessie was retained by her breeder as a show prospect, but due to job layoff she decided to place Nessie when she was 9-10 weeks old; Nessie is a lovely but not 'in vogue' Newf. She goes back to some of the old, heavy, jowly lines. Very classic, but not what is being sought in the ring; 3/4 of her 5 gen pedigree were finished CH, most with working titles also. She could finish with the right handler (I once emailed her pedigree to a fancier who was looking for a stud to freshen her lines and wanted to know more about Nessie's family--her comment after reading the pedigree was WOW you have a classic canine there). Again, since we had no plans to breed her, we felt it was in all of our best interests to have her spayed also. Cassie the rescue Pyr is without papers, probably a pet shop girl, and also has had a litter of pups (as is evident by her teats, which have obviously been nursed). She came into rescue for the first time at 2 yrs old and was spayed and placed. We would have spayed her since she is clearly a nice dog of pet quality. Would make a heck of a working dog, though, had she landed in the right home for it. She has all the serious guarding behaviors you would want in a livestock guardian--night barking, territoriality, marking behavior, alert to new predator type animals, high pain tolerance and low prey drive, dominant personality. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
Re: Neutering Poll
In a message dated 12/07/2002 11:03:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Could anyone tell me whether or not he will stop “marking” after he is done or are we too late now. >> The best answer anyone can give about this is - Maybe. It seems that leg lifting can be as much a dominance thing as a testosterone thing. I've had adult bitches who leg lifted Flash was neutered at 20 mos. and still lifts his leg, and will lift it as high as he can without falling over when we are in a strange place where other dogs have marked. Gypsy was neutered at 5 mos. and he does not mark but he does pull one leg up when he squats - like he thinks there is something he should be doing but isn't sure what it is . Harry Potter, our foster Cavalier was just neutered less than a month ago at 3 yrs. and once in a great while he will lift, but most of the time he just squats. Doesn't seem to be any set pattern that I've ever seen. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
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We have a male Berner who was neutered before he was re-homed with us when he was 2. We have a female Berner who is not spayed who we had hoped to show and breed. She has not turned out to have a temperament for breeding or showing so she will be spayed soon. I discussed Callie's temperament with her breeder and her breeder agreed she should be spayed. So now we are on a list to get a puppy next year, hopefully a puppy to show. Cherie Massaro Fargo & Callie Hopkinton, NH
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Both my rehomed Berner and my rescue Cavalier are neutered, as is the rescue Cavalier we are fostering. Several reasons for neutering here are: health (no testicular cancer, less chance of prostate problems with age); reduced urine odor (that musky, male smell just doesn't happen); reduced chance of aggressive behavior; and of course, no opportunity for them to accidentally contribute to pet overpopulation. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr. and our guest Cavalier, Harry Potter, 3 yrs.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
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- Original Message - From: "Karen McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Could anyone tell me whether or not he >will stop "marking" after he is done or are we too late now. He has >demonstrated this behavior for about 3-4 weeks. I neutered my Akita at about 1 year. He continued to show the marking behavior. I think you have to nip it in the bud, and even then marking is not necessarily irradiated by early neutering. Territory marking is highly desired in Pyrs as livestock guardians, for instance, as it wards off less determined predators without need of physical confrontation. Even early neutered Pyrs tend to be markers, especially working dogs who pick it up for canine mentors. Cassie the Pyr bitch is so tough about territory issues that she cocks a leg to pee! My male Berner, however, does very minimal marking (neutered at 6 months). Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
