Re: [bess] EVPN Multihoming and Symmetric IRB
Hi Muthu, Please see in line with the label "[Bob]". Regards, Bob 原始邮件 发件人：MuthuArulMozhiPerumal 收件人：王玉保10045807; 抄送人：bess@ietf.org ; 日 期 ：2019年04月25日 14:08 主 题 ：Re: [bess] EVPN Multihoming and Symmetric IRB Hi Bob, Thanks for your response. Please see inline. On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:28 AM wrote: Hi Muthu and everyone else, The IP Aliasing in Symmetric IRB is described in draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing-00 . It works well for each local host learned on the IRB interface. Glad to know that my understand that fast convergence, aliasing and backup path as described in RFC 7432 is applicable only for host MAC addresses and not for their IP addresses is correct :) I think it is important to capture this implication for symmetric IRB in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding and probably add a reference to draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing to indicate how those functionalities can be realized in the symmetric IRB case. On a different note, when IP aliasing is used, I think it slightly modifies the definition of symmetric IRB because the egress PE is no longer doing a lookup in the IP-VRF, rather forwarding the packet on the ES after doing a LFIB lookup. This should perhaps be captured in draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing. [Bob]: I agree with you on the slight conceptual inconsistency with the symmetric IRB concept. Because the alias label is a Layer 2 Label not a Layer 3 Label, and I think there is another issue. The issue is that the encapsulation of L2 Label is different from the encapsulation of L3 Label on the ethernet header's appearance in MPLS dataplane. In MPLS dataplane, Data Packets are typicall encapsulated without an inner ethernet header in Symmetric IRB procedures because of the nature of its L3 Label. But now in ip aliasing it is replaced with an L2 Label and an encapsulation with an inner ethernet header. I think it will be an modification in the sender PE too. Note that now the destination MAC will be a RMAC (also known as "Router's MAC") instead of a host mac. I don't know exactly how to forward an ethernet packet in a MAC-VRF given that its D-MAC is a RMAC. Can we assume that the RMAC is the same as the IRB interface's own MAC? If we can't, I don't know how to forward it. If we can, it can be forwared according to EVPN IRB procedures again but it is not so symmetric. And I think the RMAC is not used in MPLS symmetric IRB according to current documents, this is another modification IMHO. I think when the IRB interface itself is configured with an anycast Gateway IP-address for its corresponding subnet, the IP address of the IRB interface itself doesn't have an explicit ESI to be announced together with its own MAC/IP address in current documents, Why do we need a non-zero ES for the anycast gateway IP address? My understanding is that you include the gateway IP address in the MAC/IP advertisement route for MAC address aliasing so that the receiver can check if the received IP address matches with the locally configured anycast gateway IP address. Does it serve any other purpose? [Bob]: Let's take the following figure for an example: / PE1\ L2PE PE3CE2 \ PE2/ PE1/PE2 is the PEs for EVPN IRB, and PE3 is just an L3 PE without IRB. When the IRB iterface's own MAC/IP address is anycast address, It is necessary for the L2PE to load-balance traffic to PE1/PE2 via an ESI of these IRB interfaces, rather than do MAC mobile between PE1 and PE2.- I think it is necessary for PE3 too. Although PE3 may have other options to do the load-balancing. Regards, Muthu Can we use an vESI for IRB interface itself or its corresponding MAC-VRF (which is similar ot the I-ESI concept)? This issue exists in both symmetric IRB and asymmetric IRB. Thanks Bob On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:57:51 +0530 Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding does not explicitly describe > the implications of EVPN multihoming on IRB. It seems to assume that the > IRB procedures can be easily extrapolated to multihoming following RFC 7432 > and it says so at least for the mobility procedures described in section 4. > > However, I think there are key implications of multihoming for symmetric > IRB. > > Fast Convergence: > Section 8.2 of RFC 7432 says the following: > >Upon a failure in connectivity to the attached segment, the PE >withdraws the corresponding set of Ethernet A-D per ES routes. This >triggers all PEs that receive the withdrawal to update their next-hop >adjacencies for all *MAC addresses* associated with the Ethernet >segment in question. If no other PE had advertised an Ethernet A-D >route for the same segment, then
Re: [bess] EVPN Multihoming and Symmetric IRB
Hi Bob, Thanks for your response. Please see inline.. On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:28 AM wrote: > Hi Muthu and everyone else, > > > The IP Aliasing in Symmetric IRB is described in > draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing-00 > . > > It works well for each local host learned on the IRB interface. > Glad to know that my understand that fast convergence, aliasing and backup path as described in RFC 7432 is applicable only for host MAC addresses and not for their IP addresses is correct :) I think it is important to capture this implication for symmetric IRB in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding and probably add a reference to draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing to indicate how those functionalities can be realized in the symmetric IRB case. On a different note, when IP aliasing is used, I think it slightly modifies the definition of symmetric IRB because the egress PE is no longer doing a lookup in the IP-VRF, rather forwarding the packet on the ES after doing a LFIB lookup. This should perhaps be captured in draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing. > > I think when the IRB interface itself is configured with an anycast > Gateway IP-address for its corresponding subnet, > > the IP address of the IRB interface itself doesn't have an explicit ESI to > be announced together with its own MAC/IP address in current documents, > Why do we need a non-zero ES for the anycast gateway IP address? My understanding is that you include the gateway IP address in the MAC/IP advertisement route for MAC address aliasing so that the receiver can check if the received IP address matches with the locally configured anycast gateway IP address. Does it serve any other purpose? Regards, Muthu > Can we use an vESI for IRB interface itself or its corresponding MAC-VRF > (which is similar ot the I-ESI concept)? > > This issue exists in both symmetric IRB and asymmetric IRB. > > > Thanks > > Bob > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:57:51 +0530 > > Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding does not explicitly describe > > > the implications of EVPN multihoming on IRB. It seems to assume that the > > > IRB procedures can be easily extrapolated to multihoming following RFC > 7432 > > > and it says so at least for the mobility procedures described in section > 4. > > > > > > However, I think there are key implications of multihoming for symmetric > > > IRB. > > > > > > Fast Convergence: > > > Section 8.2 of RFC 7432 says the following: > > > > > >Upon a failure in connectivity to the attached segment, the PE > > >withdraws the corresponding set of Ethernet A-D per ES routes. This > > >triggers all PEs that receive the withdrawal to update their next-hop > > >adjacencies for all *MAC addresses* associated with the Ethernet > > >segment in question. If no other PE had advertised an Ethernet A-D > > >route for the same segment, then the PE that received the withdrawal > > >simply invalidates the *MAC entries *for that segment. Otherwise, the > > >PE updates its next-hop adjacencies accordingly. > > > > > > > > > Clearly, it describes fast convergence only for the MAC addresses of TSs > > > (and not for their IP addresses). In symmetric IRB, the ingress PE > performs > > > a route lookup for the destination TS prefix in IP-VRF and forwards the > > > packet to the egress PE. Hence, the above fast convergence is not > > > applicable. It however is applicable for asymmetric IRB where the > > > destination subnet is configured in the ingress PE and it performs a > lookup > > > in the BT corresponding to the destination subnet and forwards the frame. > > > > > > Aliasing and Backup Path: > > > With symmetric IRB, the ingress PE cannot use alias label (i.e. label > > > advertised in AD per EVI route) to load balance traffic sent to egress > PEs > > > multihomed to the same CE, since the egress PE needs to first perform a > > > route lookup for the destination prefix in the IP-VRF to forward the > > > packet. The ingress PE instead needs to rely on multipath techniques > > > applicable to L3VPN (such as BGP multipath). > > > > > > Now, coming to the backup path, section 8.4 of RFC 7432 says the > following: > > > > > >The backup path is a closely related function, but it is used in > > >Single-Active redundancy mode. In this case, a PE also advertises > > >that it has reachability to a given EVI/ES using the same combination > > >of Ethernet A-D per EVI route and Ethernet A-D per ES route as > > >discussed above, but with the "Single-Active" bit in the flags of the > > >ESI Label extended community set to 1. A remote PE that receives a > > >MAC/IP Advertisement route with a non-reserved ESI SHOULD consider > > >the *advertised MAC address* to be reachable via any PE that has > > >advertised this combination of Ethernet A-D routes, and it SHOULD > > >install a backup path for that MAC address. > > > > >
Re: [bess] EVPN Multihoming and Symmetric IRB
Hi Muthu and everyone else, The IP Aliasing in Symmetric IRB is described in draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-ip-aliasing-00 . It works well for each local host learned on the IRB interface. I think when the IRB interface itself is configured with an anycast Gateway IP-address for its corresponding subnet, the IP address of the IRB interface itself doesn't have an explicit ESI to be announced together with its own MAC/IP address in current documents, Can we use an vESI for IRB interface itself or its corresponding MAC-VRF (which is similar ot the I-ESI concept)? This issue exists in both symmetric IRB and asymmetric IRB. Thanks Bob On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:57:51 +0530 Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding does not explicitly describe > the implications of EVPN multihoming on IRB. It seems to assume that the > IRB procedures can be easily extrapolated to multihoming following RFC 7432 > and it says so at least for the mobility procedures described in section 4. > > However, I think there are key implications of multihoming for symmetric > IRB. > > Fast Convergence: > Section 8.2 of RFC 7432 says the following: > >Upon a failure in connectivity to the attached segment, the PE >withdraws the corresponding set of Ethernet A-D per ES routes. This >triggers all PEs that receive the withdrawal to update their next-hop >adjacencies for all *MAC addresses* associated with the Ethernet >segment in question. If no other PE had advertised an Ethernet A-D >route for the same segment, then the PE that received the withdrawal >simply invalidates the *MAC entries *for that segment. Otherwise, the >PE updates its next-hop adjacencies accordingly. > > > Clearly, it describes fast convergence only for the MAC addresses of TSs > (and not for their IP addresses). In symmetric IRB, the ingress PE performs > a route lookup for the destination TS prefix in IP-VRF and forwards the > packet to the egress PE. Hence, the above fast convergence is not > applicable. It however is applicable for asymmetric IRB where the > destination subnet is configured in the ingress PE and it performs a lookup > in the BT corresponding to the destination subnet and forwards the frame. > > Aliasing and Backup Path: > With symmetric IRB, the ingress PE cannot use alias label (i.e. label > advertised in AD per EVI route) to load balance traffic sent to egress PEs > multihomed to the same CE, since the egress PE needs to first perform a > route lookup for the destination prefix in the IP-VRF to forward the > packet. The ingress PE instead needs to rely on multipath techniques > applicable to L3VPN (such as BGP multipath). > > Now, coming to the backup path, section 8.4 of RFC 7432 says the following: > >The backup path is a closely related function, but it is used in >Single-Active redundancy mode. In this case, a PE also advertises >that it has reachability to a given EVI/ES using the same combination >of Ethernet A-D per EVI route and Ethernet A-D per ES route as >discussed above, but with the "Single-Active" bit in the flags of the >ESI Label extended community set to 1. A remote PE that receives a >MAC/IP Advertisement route with a non-reserved ESI SHOULD consider >the *advertised MAC address* to be reachable via any PE that has >advertised this combination of Ethernet A-D routes, and it SHOULD >install a backup path for that MAC address. > > > Clearly, it describes the backup path only for the MAC address of the TS > (and not for their IP address). Hence, it is not applicable to symmetric > IRB. It however is applicable to asymmetric IRB. > > Is my understanding correct? Shouldn't the implications of multihoming on > symmetric IRB be explicitly captured > in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding? > > Regards, > Muthu___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
[bess] EVPN Multihoming and Symmetric IRB
Hi Everyone, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding does not explicitly describe the implications of EVPN multihoming on IRB. It seems to assume that the IRB procedures can be easily extrapolated to multihoming following RFC 7432 and it says so at least for the mobility procedures described in section 4. However, I think there are key implications of multihoming for symmetric IRB. Fast Convergence: Section 8.2 of RFC 7432 says the following: Upon a failure in connectivity to the attached segment, the PE withdraws the corresponding set of Ethernet A-D per ES routes. This triggers all PEs that receive the withdrawal to update their next-hop adjacencies for all *MAC addresses* associated with the Ethernet segment in question. If no other PE had advertised an Ethernet A-D route for the same segment, then the PE that received the withdrawal simply invalidates the *MAC entries *for that segment. Otherwise, the PE updates its next-hop adjacencies accordingly. Clearly, it describes fast convergence only for the MAC addresses of TSs (and not for their IP addresses). In symmetric IRB, the ingress PE performs a route lookup for the destination TS prefix in IP-VRF and forwards the packet to the egress PE. Hence, the above fast convergence is not applicable. It however is applicable for asymmetric IRB where the destination subnet is configured in the ingress PE and it performs a lookup in the BT corresponding to the destination subnet and forwards the frame. Aliasing and Backup Path: With symmetric IRB, the ingress PE cannot use alias label (i.e. label advertised in AD per EVI route) to load balance traffic sent to egress PEs multihomed to the same CE, since the egress PE needs to first perform a route lookup for the destination prefix in the IP-VRF to forward the packet. The ingress PE instead needs to rely on multipath techniques applicable to L3VPN (such as BGP multipath). Now, coming to the backup path, section 8.4 of RFC 7432 says the following: The backup path is a closely related function, but it is used in Single-Active redundancy mode. In this case, a PE also advertises that it has reachability to a given EVI/ES using the same combination of Ethernet A-D per EVI route and Ethernet A-D per ES route as discussed above, but with the "Single-Active" bit in the flags of the ESI Label extended community set to 1. A remote PE that receives a MAC/IP Advertisement route with a non-reserved ESI SHOULD consider the *advertised MAC address* to be reachable via any PE that has advertised this combination of Ethernet A-D routes, and it SHOULD install a backup path for that MAC address. Clearly, it describes the backup path only for the MAC address of the TS (and not for their IP address). Hence, it is not applicable to symmetric IRB. It however is applicable to asymmetric IRB. Is my understanding correct? Shouldn't the implications of multihoming on symmetric IRB be explicitly captured in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding? Regards, Muthu ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
