Re: Notify "storms"

2010-01-18 Thread Mark Andrews

In message <91aa34af1001181327q7f5de882vf47052ed39d87...@mail.gmail.com>, Todd 
writes:
> Good day all,
> 
> We've run into a problem with our DNS servers.  The way we update our
> masters is via a CVS Checkout and reload of the zones modified.
> Sometimes though, we need to reload the whole config for big
> changs/etc.  When that happens, all 6 masters (I know, we're getting
> rid of some) send notifies to all 80+ (I know, we're getting rid of
> some) slaves for all 1800 zones.  This causes all the slaves to verify
> all 1800 zones on 6 masters, which then delays the changes we made
> from actually getting to the slaves.  Right now it's about 2.5 hours
> for all slaves to do all zones.
> 
> We would like to make this better.  We're trying to figure out what
> mechanism might be limiting the rate at which the slave does SOA
> checks against the master so it can perform that step quicker.  We
> have looked at the zone transfer limits on the master/slave, but that
> is related to the transfer mechanism, not the SOA query.
> 
> Can anyone help with ideas on this?  Are we missing something obvious?

serial-query-rate

 
> Cheers,
> 
> Todd.
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Re: Notify "storms"

2010-01-18 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Todd  wrote:
> Good day all,
>
> We've run into a problem with our DNS servers.  The way we update our
> masters is via a CVS Checkout and reload of the zones modified.
> Sometimes though, we need to reload the whole config for big
> changs/etc.  When that happens, all 6 masters (I know, we're getting
> rid of some) send notifies to all 80+ (I know, we're getting rid of
> some) slaves for all 1800 zones.  This causes all the slaves to verify
> all 1800 zones on 6 masters, which then delays the changes we made
> from actually getting to the slaves.  Right now it's about 2.5 hours
> for all slaves to do all zones.
>
> We would like to make this better.  We're trying to figure out what
> mechanism might be limiting the rate at which the slave does SOA
> checks against the master so it can perform that step quicker.  We
> have looked at the zone transfer limits on the master/slave, but that
> is related to the transfer mechanism, not the SOA query.
>
> Can anyone help with ideas on this?  Are we missing something obvious?

Might not be what you are looking for but sounds like some of the
ideas presented at infrastructures.org might help.

-B
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Notify "storms"

2010-01-18 Thread Todd
Good day all,

We've run into a problem with our DNS servers.  The way we update our
masters is via a CVS Checkout and reload of the zones modified.
Sometimes though, we need to reload the whole config for big
changs/etc.  When that happens, all 6 masters (I know, we're getting
rid of some) send notifies to all 80+ (I know, we're getting rid of
some) slaves for all 1800 zones.  This causes all the slaves to verify
all 1800 zones on 6 masters, which then delays the changes we made
from actually getting to the slaves.  Right now it's about 2.5 hours
for all slaves to do all zones.

We would like to make this better.  We're trying to figure out what
mechanism might be limiting the rate at which the slave does SOA
checks against the master so it can perform that step quicker.  We
have looked at the zone transfer limits on the master/slave, but that
is related to the transfer mechanism, not the SOA query.

Can anyone help with ideas on this?  Are we missing something obvious?

Cheers,

Todd.
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Re: Windows resolver question...

2010-01-18 Thread Kyle McDonald
Thank you! I'm surprised google didn't have anything about this. (Bing 
didn't either which isn't that surprising.)


  -Kyle


On 1/18/2010 1:39 PM, Abello, Vinny wrote:

Although this isn't a BIND question but rather a Windows client question,
I'll give you the quick answer anyway because this drove me nuts when I went
to Vista. Windows Vista and Windows 7 handles unqualified multi-label name
queries differently. If you have a period in any part of a hostname, Windows
Vista/7 will not append the domain suffix by default during resolution. You
can change this behavior by modifying the Local (or network) group policy
setting:

Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Network\DNS Client\Allow DNS
Suffix Appending to Unqualified Multi-Lavel Name Queries

Set that to Enabled and you should get the old behavior.

-Vinny

-Original Message-
From: On Behalf Of Kyle McDonald
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:07 PM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Windows resolver question...

I know it's not strictly related to bind, but Google has failed me...
I'm hoping to find some expertise (or at least a pointer,) here. :)

I work in an environment where most desktops live in the corp.x.com
domain, and I manage 2 other subdomains of x.com ).

I'm not positive, but I could swear when I was running Windows XP, that
I could ping, telnet, ssh, vnc, etc. to abc.sub from my desktop in
corp.x.com without any trouble at all.

Now I have Windows7, and nothing works without the fully qualified
domain name. I have the (risky) checkbox checked to "Append parent
suffixes of the primary DNS suffix," just like I did in WinXP.

What's different in Win7?

Given the split nature of the x.com domain, I'm wondering if Win7 might
be keying off the '.' in abc.sub, and going to the root servers on it's own?

If this might be the case, Is there a way to modify this behavior?
Anyone know the Windows equivalent of setting ndots to 2?

   -Kyle

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RE: Windows resolver question...

2010-01-18 Thread Abello, Vinny
Although this isn't a BIND question but rather a Windows client question,
I'll give you the quick answer anyway because this drove me nuts when I went
to Vista. Windows Vista and Windows 7 handles unqualified multi-label name
queries differently. If you have a period in any part of a hostname, Windows
Vista/7 will not append the domain suffix by default during resolution. You
can change this behavior by modifying the Local (or network) group policy
setting:

Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Network\DNS Client\Allow DNS
Suffix Appending to Unqualified Multi-Lavel Name Queries

Set that to Enabled and you should get the old behavior.

-Vinny

-Original Message-
From: On Behalf Of Kyle McDonald
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:07 PM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Windows resolver question...

I know it's not strictly related to bind, but Google has failed me...
I'm hoping to find some expertise (or at least a pointer,) here. :)

I work in an environment where most desktops live in the corp.x.com 
domain, and I manage 2 other subdomains of x.com ).

I'm not positive, but I could swear when I was running Windows XP, that 
I could ping, telnet, ssh, vnc, etc. to abc.sub from my desktop in 
corp.x.com without any trouble at all.

Now I have Windows7, and nothing works without the fully qualified 
domain name. I have the (risky) checkbox checked to "Append parent 
suffixes of the primary DNS suffix," just like I did in WinXP.

What's different in Win7?

Given the split nature of the x.com domain, I'm wondering if Win7 might 
be keying off the '.' in abc.sub, and going to the root servers on it's own?

If this might be the case, Is there a way to modify this behavior? 
Anyone know the Windows equivalent of setting ndots to 2?

  -Kyle

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Windows resolver question...

2010-01-18 Thread Kyle McDonald

I know it's not strictly related to bind, but Google has failed me...
I'm hoping to find some expertise (or at least a pointer,) here. :)

I work in an environment where most desktops live in the corp.x.com 
domain, and I manage 2 other subdomains of x.com ).


I'm not positive, but I could swear when I was running Windows XP, that 
I could ping, telnet, ssh, vnc, etc. to abc.sub from my desktop in 
corp.x.com without any trouble at all.


Now I have Windows7, and nothing works without the fully qualified 
domain name. I have the (risky) checkbox checked to "Append parent 
suffixes of the primary DNS suffix," just like I did in WinXP.


What's different in Win7?

Given the split nature of the x.com domain, I'm wondering if Win7 might 
be keying off the '.' in abc.sub, and going to the root servers on it's own?


If this might be the case, Is there a way to modify this behavior? 
Anyone know the Windows equivalent of setting ndots to 2?


 -Kyle

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