Re: FORMERR for wikipedia...

2011-03-17 Thread Chris Thompson

On Mar 16 2011, Jay Ford wrote:

[...]

To me it looks like BIND is doing the right thing (as usual ;^),


Yes (or *a* right thing, anyway).


but the wikipedia... servers are returning bogus responses.


Yes. Specifically the response is neither a valid nodata response,
nor a valid referral. Distinguishing these is a sensitive business,
as RFC 2308 section 2.2 explains.

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Re: FORMERR for wikipedia...

2011-03-17 Thread Jay Ford

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Mark Andrews wrote:

The nameservers for wikipedia.org are broken.  They put the wrong
SOA record in the negative response, wikipedia.org != wikimedia.org.

M vs P


Exactly.


The adminstrators of wikimedia.org were informed about this months
ago but they don't seem to care.  They fail to acknowledge the
problem or to fix the problem.  wikimedia.org are not alone in this.
There are thousands on web sites that return the wrong answers to
 lookups.

Meanwhile everyone wants resolver vendors to make the lookups work.
We can't when the authoritative servers are broken.  It time the
users complained.


That's where I'm going with this, but specific information with a suggested 
fix is usually better than just pointing out that it's broken.  Is it known 
what software and/or config causes this broken behavior?



Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
email: jay-f...@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-2951
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Need help to know about ROOT DNS query

2011-03-17 Thread babu dheen
Hi,
 
 We have two internal Windows DNS servers which answer all DNS query by 
forwarding it to gateway DNS server running in Redhat BIND. But i have a query 
regarding allowing ROOT DNS query on internal DNS server.
 
Can anyone let me know whether company Internal DNS server should respond to 
ROOT DNS query. When i execute # dig . NS @my-company-name-server query  I am 
getting complete response
 
 Let me know whether enabling ROOT DNS query is a security threat. For more 
informaton can you read and help us to securely configure our company internal 
Windows DNS server and its impact of disabling it.
 
 
;  DiG 9.3.3rc2  . NS @10.0.0.1
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34899
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 10
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;.  IN  NS
;; ANSWER SECTION:
.   49842   IN  NS  j.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  k.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  l.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  m.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  a.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  b.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  c.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  d.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  e.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  f.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  g.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  h.root-servers.net.
.   49842   IN  NS  i.root-servers.net.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
j.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.58.128.30
a.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   198.41.0.4
b.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.228.79.201
c.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.33.4.12
d.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   128.8.10.90
e.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.203.230.10
f.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.5.5.241
g.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.112.36.4
h.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   128.63.2.53
i.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.36.148.17
;; Query time: 34 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.0.1#53(10.132.1.13)
;; WHEN: Thu Mar 17 17:16:18 2011
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 401


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Re: FORMERR for wikipedia...

2011-03-17 Thread Jay Ford

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Mark Bergsma wrote:

On Mar 17, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Jay Ford wrote:


On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Mark Andrews wrote:

The nameservers for wikipedia.org are broken.  They put the wrong
SOA record in the negative response, wikipedia.org != wikimedia.org.



The adminstrators of wikimedia.org were informed about this months
ago but they don't seem to care.  They fail to acknowledge the
problem or to fix the problem.  wikimedia.org are not alone in this.
There are thousands on web sites that return the wrong answers to
 lookups.

Meanwhile everyone wants resolver vendors to make the lookups work.
We can't when the authoritative servers are broken.  It time the
users complained.


That's where I'm going with this, but specific information with a 
suggested fix is usually better than just pointing out that it's broken. 
Is it known what software and/or config causes this broken behavior?




It's PowerDNS 2.9.22 that is breaking this, and it will be fixed by 
PowerDNS 3.0 once that's released, and we get around to deploying it.

HTH!


Indeed it helps.  Thanks for the info  good luck with the upgrade.


Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
email: jay-f...@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-2951
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Re: Need help to know about ROOT DNS query

2011-03-17 Thread lst_hoe02

Zitat von babu dheen babudh...@yahoo.co.in:


Hi,
 
 We have two internal Windows DNS servers which answer all DNS query  
by forwarding it to gateway DNS server running in Redhat BIND. But i  
have a query regarding allowing ROOT DNS query on internal DNS server.


I guess it does not mean your internal servers should deliver results  
for query . NS because this is the default and no security risk at  
all. I suspect that the demand is for not using the forwarders but do  
DNS queries from within the network at its own by asking the root  
servers and the whole chain like dig +trace?


Regards

Andreas




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Re: Need help to know about ROOT DNS query

2011-03-17 Thread Warren Kumari
Nah, that's fine (and normal).

BIND comes configured with the roots so that it can start resolution. I guess I 
don't fully understand your concern here -- is it that you are worried that the 
root might see queries and so know your internal hostnames?

W

Warren Kumari
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Please excuse typing, etc -- This was sent from a device with a tiny keyboard.

On Mar 17, 2011, at 7:20 AM, babu dheen babudh...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 Hi,
  
  We have two internal Windows DNS servers which answer all DNS query by 
 forwarding it to gateway DNS server running in Redhat BIND. But i have a 
 query regarding allowing ROOT DNS query on internal DNS server.
  
 Can anyone let me know whether company Internal DNS server should respond to 
 ROOT DNS query. When i execute # dig . NS @my-company-name-server query  I am 
 getting complete response
  
  Let me know whether enabling ROOT DNS query is a security threat. For more 
 informaton can you read and help us to securely configure our company 
 internal Windows DNS server and its impact of disabling it.
  
  
 ;  DiG 9.3.3rc2  . NS @10.0.0.1
 ; (1 server found)
 ;; global options:  printcmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34899
 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 10
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;.  IN  NS
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 .   49842   IN  NS  j.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  k.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  l.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  m.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  a.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  b.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  c.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  d.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  e.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  f.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  g.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  h.root-servers.net.
 .   49842   IN  NS  i.root-servers.net.
 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
 j.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.58.128.30
 a.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   198.41.0.4
 b.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.228.79.201
 c.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.33.4.12
 d.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   128.8.10.90
 e.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A192.203.230.10
 f.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.5.5.241
 g.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.112.36.4
 h.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   128.63.2.53
 i.root-servers.net. 49842   IN  A   192.36.148.17
 ;; Query time: 34 msec
 ;; SERVER: 10.0.0.1#53(10.132.1.13)
 ;; WHEN: Thu Mar 17 17:16:18 2011
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 401
 
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