RE: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Marc Lampo
I guess not, since it does not work ;-)

After deleting all entries, did you :
1) dig @dns.name. ...
or
2) dig @IP.address
or
3) No @... argument used at all ?

In cases 1  3, dig will need data from /etc/resolv.conf.
Only in case 2 dig can do without.

Kind regards,

Marc Lampo


-Original Message-
From: Feng He [mailto:short...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 July 2011 07:33 AM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: about the dig

Hi list,

When I deleted all the entries in /etc/resolv.conf (I am using Linux),
dig can't work.
I was thinking since dig is a standard resolver, it should have the
capibility to follow the referrel from root, thus it will work fine
even there is no system dns resolving.
Am I right?

Thanks.

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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Feng He
at least from my point dig hostname +trace should work even if there
is no resolv.conf entries.


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Marc Lampo marc.la...@eurid.eu wrote:
 I guess not, since it does not work ;-)

 After deleting all entries, did you :
 1) dig @dns.name. ...
 or
 2) dig @IP.address
 or
 3) No @... argument used at all ?

 In cases 1  3, dig will need data from /etc/resolv.conf.
 Only in case 2 dig can do without.

 Kind regards,

 Marc Lampo


 -Original Message-
 From: Feng He [mailto:short...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 19 July 2011 07:33 AM
 To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
 Subject: about the dig

 Hi list,

 When I deleted all the entries in /etc/resolv.conf (I am using Linux),
 dig can't work.
 I was thinking since dig is a standard resolver, it should have the
 capibility to follow the referrel from root, thus it will work fine
 even there is no system dns resolving.
 Am I right?

 Thanks.


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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Feng He short...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi list,

 When I deleted all the entries in /etc/resolv.conf (I am using Linux),
 dig can't work.
 I was thinking since dig is a standard resolver,

what makes you think that? From the man page

   dig (domain information groper) is a flexible tool for
interrogating DNS name servers. It performs DNS lookups and displays
the answers that are returned from the name server(s) that were
queried.

 it should have the
 capibility to follow the referrel from root, thus it will work fine
 even there is no system dns resolving.

A resolver software capable of recursive operation should work fine.
dig's not it.

 Am I right?

Also from the man page:

   Unless it is told to query a specific name server, dig will try
each of the servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf.

So something like dig google.com @8.8.8.8 would work even without
any entries on /etc/resolv.conf, but if you don't tell it to use a
specific name server it won't work.

-- 
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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Feng He
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Marc Lampo marc.la...@eurid.eu wrote:
 the list cannot be built-in, because some organisations work with an
 internal
  root.  The local caching name server is the only one to know those new
 root's.)


I don't think so.
BIND 9 has the built-in root list.
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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there,

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011  wrote:

  When I deleted all the entries in /etc/resolv.conf (I am using
 Linux), dig can't work.

 I was thinking since dig is a standard resolver...

man resolv.conf

 If  this file doesn't exist the only name server to be queried will be on the 
local machine; the domain name is determined from the
   hostname and the domain search path is constructed from the domain name.

--

73,
Ged.
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Re: Patching bind for additional stats - any tips?

2011-07-19 Thread Michael Graff
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I am very interested in hearing what you are looking for.  I have some
thoughts about performance measurements, mostly to answer the age-old
question, Are my servers working well?

Would you release the patches, and if so, would you be willing to work
with the ISC BIND 9 team to see if we can find common ground and perhaps
get your patches into BIND 9 releases quickly?

- --Michael


On 7/18/11 8:13 PM, Alex Kolchinski wrote:
 Hi everyone - I'm at Google and currently starting on a mini-project to
 get some more insight into how our BIND servers are performing. Our
 first thoughts on how to add logging on metrics we're interested in are
 currently to patch BIND to spit out the wanted stats directly from BIND
 (data on each query, perhaps aggregated). An alternative to this would
 be to try to match the incoming and outgoing request and response
 packets and amass the data from that, but our attempts at data gathering
 through sniffing have given unreliable results. (One alternative I've
 stumbled upon is DSC - http://dns.measurement-factory.com/tools/dsc/ -
 but I'm not sure yet how appropriate or effective it would be for our
 needs, so if anyone has any thoughts, that would be much appreciated.)
 
 I've never worked with BIND before, so I'm looking over the code right
 now figuring out which approach is going to be the most effective and
 straightforward. Does anyone have any experience with something similar
 and/or suggestions on approaches or considerations to think about? It's
 looking like if the patch is going to be the way to go, simply modifying
 BIND's stats-outputting functionality should be a good way to extend
 what statistics we're getting, although I'm not sure on that count
 either. Any thoughts?
 
 Thanks, everyone
 -Alex
 
 
 
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authoritative server is not caching?

2011-07-19 Thread pangj

Hello,

I want to make sure that if the authoritative server won't cache anything even 
if the authoritative answer from itself? Coz I saw the book Pro DNS and BIND 
says: The (authoritative) name server does not cache.

thanks.

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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Feng He
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, G.W. Haywood b...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:


 man resolv.conf

  If  this file doesn't exist the only name server to be queried will be on 
 the local machine; the domain name is determined from the
       hostname and the domain search path is constructed from the domain 
 name.


Nothing around the resolv.conf, I was talking about dig.
Thanks.
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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Phil Mayers

On 07/19/2011 06:32 AM, Feng He wrote:

Hi list,

When I deleted all the entries in /etc/resolv.conf (I am using Linux),
dig can't work.
I was thinking since dig is a standard resolver, it should have the
capibility to follow the referrel from root, thus it will work fine
even there is no system dns resolving.
Am I right?


No.

dig is a test tool. It is not a recursive resolver. It does not 
contain a list of root hints, and always starts a query at a nameserver 
you give it, either explicitly via the @server command line, or 
implicitly via /etc/resolv.conf


Even when doing +trace.
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Re: authoritative server is not caching?

2011-07-19 Thread Torinthiel

On 2011-07-19 11:40, pa...@laposte.net wrote:


Hello,

I want to make sure that if the authoritative server won't cache

 anything even if the authoritative answer from itself? Coz I saw
 the book Pro DNS and BIND says: The (authoritative) name server
 does not cache.

Authoritative server cannot cache anser from itself. Cache is for 
answers a server has received from somewhere,  while authoritative 
answers come directly from zone data.

Torinthiel
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Re: authoritative server is not caching?

2011-07-19 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:40:02AM +0200,
 pa...@laposte.net pa...@laposte.net wrote 
 a message of 11 lines which said:

 I want to make sure that if the authoritative server won't cache
 anything even if the authoritative answer from itself? 

I'm sorry but this sentence seems quite difficult to parse.
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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Lyle Giese

On 7/19/2011 1:16 AM, Feng He wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Marc Lampomarc.la...@eurid.eu  wrote:

the list cannot be built-in, because some organisations work with an
internal
  root.  The local caching name server is the only one to know those new
root's.)



I don't think so.
BIND 9 has the built-in root list.


BIND is the name of a collection of DNS related software and consists of 
many pieces, which named and dig are but two of them.  To the best of my 
knowledge, only named has a root list built-in, which can be overwritten 
by the proper use of config directives in named.conf.


Lyle Giese
LCR Computer Services, Inc.
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bind version problem

2011-07-19 Thread almahmud
Hi,

If Bind version of  primary dns is bind-libs-9.3.6-16.P1.el5 and for
secondary dns bind-9.5.0-29.b2.fc9.i386.

Is there create any problem??  Is it mandatory the same version for
primary and secondary DNS.

Regards -

Mahmud

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Re: bind version problem

2011-07-19 Thread Daniel McDonald
On 7/19/11 9:30 AM, almah...@ranksitt.net almah...@ranksitt.net wrote:

 Hi,
 
 If Bind version of  primary dns is bind-libs-9.3.6-16.P1.el5 and for
 secondary dns bind-9.5.0-29.b2.fc9.i386.
 
 Is there create any problem??

In general, it creates no problem.  If you happen to use an RR for which
support was added in 9.5, then you might have odd results.

  Is it mandatory the same version for
 primary and secondary DNS.

No.  It's not even mandatory that the primary and secondary both be running
bind.


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Re: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread eugene tsuno
Feng:

I think G.W is pointing out that in the absence of resolv.conf, dig uses
the localhost to connect
to the bind server.  Just tcpdump the loopback interface, and you will
see it.

So the reason resolution works is because you are running bind on that
server.  It would not work
on any client which isn't running bind.

We generally put the entry in so we know where our DNS requests are
going, the loopback or
a real interface.  In doesn't have to be that way, you don't have to use
the bind server on
the box itself.


On 7/19/11 3:54 AM, Feng He wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, G.W. Haywood b...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

 man resolv.conf

  If  this file doesn't exist the only name server to be queried will be on 
 the local machine; the domain name is determined from the
   hostname and the domain search path is constructed from the domain 
 name.

 Nothing around the resolv.conf, I was talking about dig.
 Thanks.
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Re: bind version problem

2011-07-19 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:30:17PM +0600,
 almah...@ranksitt.net almah...@ranksitt.net wrote 
 a message of 18 lines which said:

 Is it mandatory the same version for primary and secondary DNS.

It is not even mandatory for all the authoritative name servers to run
BIND. They can be of different brands. That's the beauty of standard
protocols.
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AAAA type query invalidates A records in name server cache

2011-07-19 Thread mailsecurity
All,

anyone experiencing the same behavior?

Seen on

BIND 9.5.2-P2 and BIND 9.8.0-P4

 

ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

.

Non-authoritative answer:

Name:   xserv.ins.dell.com

Address: 143.166.148.118

 

All ok.

 

ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype= xserv.ins.dell.com.

.

** server can't find xserv.ins.dell.com.: NXDOMAIN

 

Now even the A queries fail.

ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

.

** server can't find xserv.ins.dell.com.: NXDOMAIN

 

Keeps failing until TTL timeout or rndc flushname xserv.ins.dell.com.

 

ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

.

Non-authoritative answer:

Name:   xserv.ins.dell.com

Address: 143.166.148.118

 

Thanks,

Patrick


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Re: bind version problem

2011-07-19 Thread Jan-Piet Mens
 If Bind version of  primary dns is bind-libs-9.3.6-16.P1.el5 and for
 secondary dns bind-9.5.0-29.b2.fc9.i386.

Something wrong there: libs vs. server, but I assume you mean server
for both.

 Is it mandatory the same version for
 primary and secondary DNS.

Not unless you rely on a particular feature of the higher version.

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RE: about the dig

2011-07-19 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Or as previously pointed out it WILL work if you specify a name server at 
invocation.

That is to say you MUST either do dig @server... OR have a resolve.conf 
that specifies servers to attempt if not specified at invocation.   (And before 
anyone else says it - You can of course still specify a server at invocation to 
bypass the ones in /etc/resolv.conf.)





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From: bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org 
[mailto:bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of 
eugene tsuno
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:53 AM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: about the dig

Feng:

I think G.W is pointing out that in the absence of resolv.conf, dig uses
the localhost to connect
to the bind server.  Just tcpdump the loopback interface, and you will
see it.

So the reason resolution works is because you are running bind on that
server.  It would not work
on any client which isn't running bind.

We generally put the entry in so we know where our DNS requests are
going, the loopback or
a real interface.  In doesn't have to be that way, you don't have to use
the bind server on
the box itself.


On 7/19/11 3:54 AM, Feng He wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, G.W. Haywood b...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

 man resolv.conf

  If  this file doesn't exist the only name server to be queried will be on 
 the local machine; the domain name is determined from the
   hostname and the domain search path is constructed from the domain 
 name.

 Nothing around the resolv.conf, I was talking about dig.
 Thanks.
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Re: AAAA type query invalidates A records in name server cache

2011-07-19 Thread Bill Owens
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 04:58:53PM +0200, mailsecurity wrote:
 All,
 
 anyone experiencing the same behavior?

I hope so, because that's the correct behavior. Dell's nameserver is broken:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4074
Common Misbehavior Against DNS Queries for IPv6 Addresses - May 2005
4.2.  Return Name Error

   This type of server returns a response with RCODE 3 (Name Error) to
   a query for an  RR, indicating that it does not have any RRs of
   any type for the queried name.

   With this response, the stub resolver may immediately give up and
   never fall back.  Even if the resolver retries with a query for an A
   RR, the negative response for the name has been cached in the caching
   server, and the caching server will simply return the negative
   response.  As a result, the stub resolver considers this to be a
   fatal error in name resolution.

fpdns says that Dell's servers are BIND, wonder if that's accurate, and if so, 
how ancient a release, to have this bug?

Bill.
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Re: AAAA type query invalidates A records in name server cache

2011-07-19 Thread Tim Maestas
This is because Dell has incorrectly configured their F5 GTM load
balancers to return NXDOMAIN on a  query instead of NOERROR (this
is configurable on a per-wideip basis in the GTM configuration - at
least in present versions.  In earlier versions you had to ensure that
you had a record of some type matching the wideip name in the BIND
configuration so that when the GTM passed the query back to BIND it
would return NOERROR).

-Tim


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:58 AM, mailsecurity
mailsecur...@rothschildbank.com wrote:
 All,

 anyone experiencing the same behavior?

 Seen on

 BIND 9.5.2-P2 and BIND 9.8.0-P4



 ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

 …..

 Non-authoritative answer:

 Name:   xserv.ins.dell.com

 Address: 143.166.148.118



 All ok.



 ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype= xserv.ins.dell.com.

 …..

 ** server can't find xserv.ins.dell.com.: NXDOMAIN



 Now even the A queries fail.

 ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

 …..

 ** server can't find xserv.ins.dell.com.: NXDOMAIN



 Keeps failing until TTL timeout or rndc flushname xserv.ins.dell.com.



 ns11:~ # nslookup -querytype=A xserv.ins.dell.com.

 …..

 Non-authoritative answer:

 Name:   xserv.ins.dell.com

 Address: 143.166.148.118



 Thanks,

 Patrick

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RE: AAAA type query invalidates A records in name server cache

2011-07-19 Thread mailsecurity
Will escalate via our Dell contact. Keep you posted about my success.

Regards,
Patrick

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Re: sort list and view

2011-07-19 Thread Kevin Darcy

On 7/18/2011 11:42 PM, AMANI MOHAMED BIN SUWAIF wrote:

Hi,

I have the below scenario

_TCP.EXAMPLE.COMIN SRV1005060primary-sbg.example.com
_TCP.EXAMPLE.COMIN SRV2005060
secondary-sbg.example.com


I have 2 IP ranges and 2 SBGs host, my intention is

for client in IP range1
primary-sbg  INA1.1.1.1
secondary-sbgINA2.2.2.2

for client in IP range2
primary-sbg  INA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA1.1.1.1

can this be achieved without using a views?

I thought this can be solved just by a sortlist, where
primary-sbgINA1.1.1.1
primary-sbgINA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA1.1.1.1

and then introduce the sortlist, which sorts the position of IP 
addresses based on the IP range client comes from?

something like,

sortlist {
{
 IPRANGE1;  // 1st client IP selection matches any of these
 {1.1.1.1;   // return any of these response IPs as 1st preference
 };
{
 IPRANGE2;  // 1st client IP selection matches any of these
 {2.2.2.2;   // return any of these response IPs as 1st preference
 };
};

but in this case,
client from IPRANGE1 receive 1.1.1.1 as a first choice for both 
primary-sbg and secondary-sbg

and
client from IPRANGE2 receive 2.2.2.2 as a first choice for both 
primary-sbg and secondary-sbg

which is not the intention. sortlist doesn't not  consider domain name.
The intention is to have primary SBG for first iprange act as a 
secondary SBG for the second ip range and vice verse and in similar 
manner for multiple IP ranges and SBGs. Problem with views is that 
anytime this setup gets bigger and we will have additional ip ranges 
and additional SBGs, it will require additional views...


(LOC)RANGEPRIMARY(LOC)   SECONDARY(LOC)
(L1)IPRANGE1  SBG1(L1)   SBG6(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE2  SBG2(L1)   SBG7(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE3  SBG3(L1)   SBG8(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE4  SBG4(L1)   SBG9(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE5  SBG5(L1)   SBG10(L2)

(L2)IPRANGE6  SBG6(L2)   SBG1(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE7  SBG7(L2)   SBG2(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE8  SBG8(L2)   SBG3(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE9  SBG9(L2)   SBG4(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE10 SBG10(L2)  SBG5(L1)

half of the SBGs is in one location (L1) and half in other (L2), 
that's why it is important that for clients from ranges in one 
location, first half of SBGs is preferred, and for other clients from 
second location other half of SBGs is preferred. Client configuration 
should be uniformed (same SRV) regardless the location.
Are you over-engineering this? If the A-record failover by your client 
is fast enough you might only need 1 SRV record, and then sortlisting 
will work fine (subject to the usual caveats: as long as you can control 
the sortlist config of every resolver your clients will use, and keep 
them in sync).




- Kevin
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Re: sort list and view

2011-07-19 Thread AMANI M. BIN SUWAIF

Hi,

The problem is that fail-over between A records is not standard and 
might/might not work with various SIP clients. On the other hand SRV in 
my opinion has been designed with that in mind, that's why the 
additional complexity with 2 SRV records.



Thanks  Regards,

*Amani*



On 7/20/2011 2:50 AM, Kevin Darcy wrote:

On 7/18/2011 11:42 PM, AMANI MOHAMED BIN SUWAIF wrote:

Hi,

I have the below scenario

_TCP.EXAMPLE.COMIN SRV1005060primary-sbg.example.com
_TCP.EXAMPLE.COMIN SRV2005060
secondary-sbg.example.com


I have 2 IP ranges and 2 SBGs host, my intention is

for client in IP range1
primary-sbg  INA1.1.1.1
secondary-sbgINA2.2.2.2

for client in IP range2
primary-sbg  INA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA1.1.1.1

can this be achieved without using a views?

I thought this can be solved just by a sortlist, where
primary-sbgINA1.1.1.1
primary-sbgINA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA2.2.2.2
secondary-sbgINA1.1.1.1

and then introduce the sortlist, which sorts the position of IP 
addresses based on the IP range client comes from?

something like,

sortlist {
{
 IPRANGE1;  // 1st client IP selection matches any of these
 {1.1.1.1;   // return any of these response IPs as 1st preference
 };
{
 IPRANGE2;  // 1st client IP selection matches any of these
 {2.2.2.2;   // return any of these response IPs as 1st preference
 };
};

but in this case,
client from IPRANGE1 receive 1.1.1.1 as a first choice for both 
primary-sbg and secondary-sbg

and
client from IPRANGE2 receive 2.2.2.2 as a first choice for both 
primary-sbg and secondary-sbg

which is not the intention. sortlist doesn't not  consider domain name.
The intention is to have primary SBG for first iprange act as a 
secondary SBG for the second ip range and vice verse and in similar 
manner for multiple IP ranges and SBGs. Problem with views is that 
anytime this setup gets bigger and we will have additional ip ranges 
and additional SBGs, it will require additional views...


(LOC)RANGEPRIMARY(LOC)   SECONDARY(LOC)
(L1)IPRANGE1  SBG1(L1)   SBG6(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE2  SBG2(L1)   SBG7(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE3  SBG3(L1)   SBG8(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE4  SBG4(L1)   SBG9(L2)
(L1)IPRANGE5  SBG5(L1)   SBG10(L2)

(L2)IPRANGE6  SBG6(L2)   SBG1(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE7  SBG7(L2)   SBG2(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE8  SBG8(L2)   SBG3(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE9  SBG9(L2)   SBG4(L1)
(L2)IPRANGE10 SBG10(L2)  SBG5(L1)

half of the SBGs is in one location (L1) and half in other (L2), 
that's why it is important that for clients from ranges in one 
location, first half of SBGs is preferred, and for other clients from 
second location other half of SBGs is preferred. Client configuration 
should be uniformed (same SRV) regardless the location.
Are you over-engineering this? If the A-record failover by your client 
is fast enough you might only need 1 SRV record, and then sortlisting 
will work fine (subject to the usual caveats: as long as you can 
control the sortlist config of every resolver your clients will use, 
and keep them in sync).




- Kevin



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