Re: NAMED LOGS

2013-07-23 Thread Matthäus Wander
* Mark Andrews [2013-07-23 06:42]:
 The method is described here (Figure 4):
 http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~gribble/papers/king.pdf

 Using a delegation is a technical detail. It's not different than
 sending a query directly to the zone servers.
 
 Send queries for domains that the server is NOT configured to accept
 is very different to sending queries for domains the server IS
 configured to accept.
 
 You just cost the rw adminstrators time and money investigation the
 source of unexpected traffic.  You cost everyone on the list some
 time and money helping out the rw administrators.
 
 The actual cost of the traffic in inconsequential to the other costs
 that have resulted from your actions.  TLD administrators actually
 need to look for abnormal traffic as they are high value targets.

Ok, I see your point. I will use opt-in for further measurements.

Regards,
Matt

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Verteilte Systeme
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47057 Duisburg



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Re: NAMED LOGS

2013-07-22 Thread Matthäus Wander
Hi,

Grace Ingabire writes:

 Does anyone know what is going on here? As I can't understand why we do
 receive a lot of these messages in our logs.

 Jul 22 14:18:21 ns1 named[13045]: client 200.222.123.108#43576: query
 (cache) 'www.minghui.org.s210.ip4.verteiltesysteme.net/A/IN' denied

 [...]

I'm the zone owner of verteiltesysteme.net. What you're seeing there are
queries by open resolvers (more accurately: forwarders of open resolvers).

This is part of a research project to measure the effect of the DNS
injection censorship method. www.minghui.org is a name being blocked by
by the Great Firewall of China via DNS injection. By querying for
www.minghui.org.SUFFIX we can test whether the open resolver has a
clean, uncensored path to your TLD nameservers.

I'll add the addresses of .rw to our blacklist, so you won't be seeing
any more of these queries. Sorry for inconvenience.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Regards,
Matthäus Wander

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Universität Duisburg-Essen
Verteilte Systeme
Bismarckstr. 90 / BC 316
47057 Duisburg



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Re: NAMED LOGS

2013-07-22 Thread Matthäus Wander
* Mark Andrews [2013-07-23 03:36]:
 How do you do that with a broken delegation?   Did you think to ask
 before delegating a zone to a zone not configured for it?  What
 does your Chancellor think about using uninformed third parties for
 experiments like this?

The method is described here (Figure 4):
http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~gribble/papers/king.pdf

Using a delegation is a technical detail. It's not different than
sending a query directly to the zone servers.

About sending queries unasked: I thought of the traffic this would
cause, which should be a few queries per second on TLD servers and a few
queries per minute on open resolvers. I do not expect this to have any
negative operational effect.

If you're having a different experience, or just don't like it as a
matter of principle, let me know and I will stop sending packets to your
server.

Regards,
Matt

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Universität Duisburg-Essen
Verteilte Systeme
Bismarckstr. 90 / BC 316
47057 Duisburg



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