Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-02-04 Thread David Newman
On 2/2/14 5:39 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
 David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:
 On 1/31/14 10:35 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
 David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:

 What action, if any, is needed?

 Does rndc sign zone make it wake up?

 Alas, no. There are a bunch of successful IXFR messages to slave servers
 but the dates in that NSEC3PARAM RRSIG did not change.
 
 Not good. I would try deleting and re-adding the NSEC3PARAM records.
 Slow if the zones are big but at least it should fix the problem.

Bingo. That cleared the issue.

This may have been unrelated to the system upgrade. It's possible the
stale NSEC3 records were there for a while, and I just hadn't noticed.

Thanks very much for the troubleshooting clues.

dn


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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-02-02 Thread Tony Finch
David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:
 On 1/31/14 10:35 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
  David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:
 
  What action, if any, is needed?
 
  Does rndc sign zone make it wake up?

 Alas, no. There are a bunch of successful IXFR messages to slave servers
 but the dates in that NSEC3PARAM RRSIG did not change.

Not good. I would try deleting and re-adding the NSEC3PARAM records.
Slow if the zones are big but at least it should fix the problem.

Tony.
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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-31 Thread Tony Finch
David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:

 2. For five domains, the log contains signature-has-expired warnings.

 In all five cases, these are for NSEC3PARAM records.

 Is any action needed on my part, for example manually doing NSEC3
 signing of these zones?

See if named has already re-signed them - check that the first date in the
RRSIG is in the future.

Tony.
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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-31 Thread David Newman
On 1/31/14 3:10 AM, Tony Finch wrote:

 2. For five domains, the log contains signature-has-expired warnings.

 In all five cases, these are for NSEC3PARAM records.

 Is any action needed on my part, for example manually doing NSEC3
 signing of these zones?
 
 See if named has already re-signed them - check that the first date in the
 RRSIG is in the future.

So far (~18 hours) named has not re-signed them. In all five cases the
first date in the RRSIG is in the past, from 2013.

What action, if any, is needed?

Thanks!

dn

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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-31 Thread Tony Finch
David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:

 What action, if any, is needed?

Does rndc sign zone make it wake up? Is there anything in the logs
reporting problems, e.g. inability to read the key files?

Tony.
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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-31 Thread David Newman
On 1/31/14 10:35 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
 David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:

 What action, if any, is needed?
 
 Does rndc sign zone make it wake up? 

Alas, no. There are a bunch of successful IXFR messages to slave servers
but the dates in that NSEC3PARAM RRSIG did not change.

 Is there anything in the logs
 reporting problems, e.g. inability to read the key files?

For these five zones, the only warnings are that the signature has expired.

The log has errors for other zones saying the serial number is
unchanged. Here's an example:

30-Jan-2014 15:25:46.490 general: error: zone
networktest.com/IN/internal (signed): receive_secure_serial: unchanged

But I think this is unrelated to the zones with stale NSEC3PARAM RRSIGs.

dn



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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-30 Thread David Newman
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On 1/28/14 3:49 AM, Alan Clegg wrote:
 
 On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:32 PM, David Newman dnew...@networktest.com
 wrote:
 
 Asking again, in a different and more generic form: When
 rebuilding a bind 9.9.4 server running DNSSEC with auto maintain,
 are there any steps I need to take beyond just backing up
 /var/named/etc/namedb (this is on FreeBSD) and restoring?
 
 This server is authoritative and primary, and has slaves for
 multiple domains.
 
 I'm concerned about keeping keys, serial numbers, and any other
 dynamic info in sync.
 
 Should be problem what-so-ever.
 
 Just stop the old server, do the backup, restore it where your new
 system expects it then start the new one.  A brief outage of your
 master should be no issue is your slaves are working correctly.
 
 Do make sure that the new version is built with the same options as
 the old one if you are replicating the file system locations of the
 data.  8-)

Thanks. This mostly worked fine.

The only gotchas:

1. On a NanoBSD box, named did not start because it couldn't write to
the old named.log file. Deleting the existing named.log cleared that
issue. I think this may be a NanoBSD-specific issue.

2. For five domains, the log contains signature-has-expired warnings.

In all five cases, these are for NSEC3PARAM records.

Is any action needed on my part, for example manually doing NSEC3
signing of these zones?

Thanks again!

dn


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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-28 Thread Alan Clegg

On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:32 PM, David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote:

 Asking again, in a different and more generic form: When rebuilding a
 bind 9.9.4 server running DNSSEC with auto maintain, are there any steps
 I need to take beyond just backing up /var/named/etc/namedb (this is on
 FreeBSD) and restoring?
 
 This server is authoritative and primary, and has slaves for multiple
 domains.
 
 I'm concerned about keeping keys, serial numbers, and any other dynamic
 info in sync.

Should be problem what-so-ever.

Just stop the old server, do the backup, restore it where your new system 
expects it then start the new one.  A brief outage of your master should be no 
issue is your slaves are working correctly.

Do make sure that the new version is built with the same options as the old one 
if you are replicating the file system locations of the data.  8-)

AlanC
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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-28 Thread Thomas Schulz
 Asking again, in a different and more generic form: When rebuilding a
 bind 9.9.4 server running DNSSEC with auto maintain, are there any steps
 I need to take beyond just backing up /var/named/etc/namedb (this is on
 FreeBSD) and restoring?
 
 This server is authoritative and primary, and has slaves for multiple
 domains.
 
 I'm concerned about keeping keys, serial numbers, and any other dynamic
 info in sync.
 
 Thanks!
 
 dn

This may not apply to FreeBSD, but you should backup the main named.conf
if it is in some other directory than /var/named/etc/namedb. On my system
(Solaris) named.conf and a key file for managed keys for the root are in
/etc.

Tom Schulz
Applied Dynamics Intl.
sch...@adi.com
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Re: DNSSEC and upgrading/restoring

2014-01-27 Thread David Newman
Asking again, in a different and more generic form: When rebuilding a
bind 9.9.4 server running DNSSEC with auto maintain, are there any steps
I need to take beyond just backing up /var/named/etc/namedb (this is on
FreeBSD) and restoring?

This server is authoritative and primary, and has slaves for multiple
domains.

I'm concerned about keeping keys, serial numbers, and any other dynamic
info in sync.

Thanks!

dn



On 1/23/14 10:16 AM, David Newman wrote:
 Are there any recommended practices/config changes needed when upgrading
 or restoring a bind 9.9.4 server using DNSSEC inline signing and auto
 maintain?
 
 Asking specifically about upgrading a server running on NanoBSD, but
 this question is really about upgrading or restoring any DNSSEC server
 with inline signing and auto maintain enabled.
 
 Is this as easy as copying everything from /var/named to the NanoBSD
 build machine and going from there? Or is something else required?
 
 Thanks!
 
 dn
 
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