Re: Fwd: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
On 2022-05-17 09:50, Tony Finch wrote: I think "master" and "slave" is actively misleading, because the DNS protocol does not allow a master to tell a slave to do anything. (The closest is NOTIFY which is a hint not a command.) Furthermore, who serves whom? It is the "master" which serves zone data to the "slave". "Master" makes sense in terms of being the master copy of zone data, but in that context "secondary" is a better term for "slave". And "primary" is good enough. Actually I think "canonical" and "mirror" are also good terms, except they made me think this thread was about where to download packages for Ubuntu! :) Time and history moves on, as does technical terminology. I think it is high time for the world to forgive the Egyptians for holding the Hebrew people in bondage, and relax about "master/slave" terms. ;) -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Fwd: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
Greg Choules wrote: > > IMHO the terms "primary" and "secondary" are just as meaningful as the > terms "master" and "slave", but without the emotional and historical > baggage. I think "master" and "slave" is actively misleading, because the DNS protocol does not allow a master to tell a slave to do anything. (The closest is NOTIFY which is a hint not a command.) > You just have to give yourself time to get used to them. Indeed :-) -- Tony Finch(he/they) Cambridge, England Fitzroy, Sole: South or southwest, 4 to 6, occasionally 7 later in west. Rough or very rough. Showers. Good. -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Fwd: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
Hi Felicia. As the previous responder said, don't think of entire servers being one or the other, it's individual zones. IMHO the terms "primary" and "secondary" are just as meaningful as the terms "master" and "slave", but without the emotional and historical baggage. You just have to give yourself time to get used to them. Cheers, Greg On Sat, 14 May 2022 at 00:11, Felicia P wrote: > Hello, I see that ISC updated terminology for BIND9 to use > primary/secondary in addition to the original master/slave which many > projects have been deprecating. > > In the context of BIND9, it seems that 'primary/secondary' is less clear > than master/slave. > > My understanding is that it is possible to have a standalone BIND server > that is running as a 'master' yet acting as a 'secondary' for a > particular domain. In this context, secondary doesn't necessarily refer > to the 'slave' status of the server, but that it is sort of like a > backup server in the event that the primary is unavailable. > > Given this, it seems like instead of 'primary/secondary', a better > choice of terms would be 'canonical/mirror' which unambiguously conveys > the roles of respective servers and does not overlap with other contexts > or meanings of primary/secondary. > > > > -- > Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe > from this list > > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support > subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more > information. > > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
Also see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8499 for canonical DNS terminology document. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him) My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours. > On 14. 5. 2022, at 1:10, Felicia P wrote: > > Hello, I see that ISC updated terminology for BIND9 to use primary/secondary > in addition to the original master/slave which many projects have been > deprecating. > > In the context of BIND9, it seems that 'primary/secondary' is less clear than > master/slave. > > My understanding is that it is possible to have a standalone BIND server that > is running as a 'master' yet acting as a 'secondary' for a particular domain. > In this context, secondary doesn't necessarily refer to the 'slave' status > of the server, but that it is sort of like a backup server in the event that > the primary is unavailable. > > Given this, it seems like instead of 'primary/secondary', a better choice of > terms would be 'canonical/mirror' which unambiguously conveys the roles of > respective servers and does not overlap with other contexts or meanings of > primary/secondary. > > > > -- > Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from > this list > > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. > Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. > > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
On May 13, 2022, at 19.10, Felicia P wrote: > > Hello, I see that ISC updated terminology for BIND9 to use primary/secondary > in addition to the original master/slave which many projects have been > deprecating. > > In the context of BIND9, it seems that 'primary/secondary' is less clear than > master/slave. > > My understanding is that it is possible to have a standalone BIND server that > is running as a 'master' yet acting as a 'secondary' for a particular domain. > In this context, secondary doesn't necessarily refer to the 'slave' status > of the server, but that it is sort of like a backup server in the event that > the primary is unavailable. > > Given this, it seems like instead of 'primary/secondary', a better choice of > terms would be 'canonical/mirror' which unambiguously conveys the roles of > respective servers and does not overlap with other contexts or meanings of > primary/secondary. servers are neither master, nor slave, nor primary, nor secondary. zones are. -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Request to use "Canonical/Mirror"
Hello, I see that ISC updated terminology for BIND9 to use primary/secondary in addition to the original master/slave which many projects have been deprecating. In the context of BIND9, it seems that 'primary/secondary' is less clear than master/slave. My understanding is that it is possible to have a standalone BIND server that is running as a 'master' yet acting as a 'secondary' for a particular domain. In this context, secondary doesn't necessarily refer to the 'slave' status of the server, but that it is sort of like a backup server in the event that the primary is unavailable. Given this, it seems like instead of 'primary/secondary', a better choice of terms would be 'canonical/mirror' which unambiguously conveys the roles of respective servers and does not overlap with other contexts or meanings of primary/secondary. -- Visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
