Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <497cae4b.4020...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: >> Joe Baptista wrote: >>> So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some >>> interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my >>> browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with >>> http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. >> In Firefox' titlebar enter 'about:config' (no quotes) then in the >> filter type 'keyword.enabled' and double-click that entry to toggle it >> to false. > > The correct fix for this is: > > browser.fixup.alternate.enabled -> false > > keyword.enabled -> false stop the seach engine lookup. D'oh! Forgot about the browser.fixup thing, thanks Mark. Doug ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
In message <497cae4b.4020...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > Joe Baptista wrote: > > So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some > > interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my > > browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with > > http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. > > In Firefox' titlebar enter 'about:config' (no quotes) then in the > filter type 'keyword.enabled' and double-click that entry to toggle it > to false. The correct fix for this is: browser.fixup.alternate.enabled -> false keyword.enabled -> false stop the seach engine lookup. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: mark_andr...@isc.org ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
Joe Baptista wrote: > So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some > interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my > browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with > http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. In Firefox' titlebar enter 'about:config' (no quotes) then in the filter type 'keyword.enabled' and double-click that entry to toggle it to false. hth, Doug ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
RE: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
This issue of how applications and operating systems resolve single-word TLDs and host names was discussed on NANOG some time ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg03092.html Regards, Frank -Original Message- From: bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:56 AM To: Bind Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue On Jan 19 2009, Joe Baptista wrote: >So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some >interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my >browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with >http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. > >However - if we qualify the TLD by adding a "." to the end, i.e. >http://tm./it does work under firefox and I get connected to the >correct site. This depends on the behavior of your local resolver, and probably on how Firefox is configured as well. http://tm/ works fine for me. >The same applies to ping. If we just use TM we get this result: > >bapti...@baptista-laptop:/tmp/test.temp$ ping tm >ping: unknown host tm > >however if we add the "." to the end of TM - it works, $ /usr/sbin/ping tm tm is alive (and yes, that really is 193.223.78.213 it is pinging, not a local tm.[some-domain]). >Like I said - not recommended - but it does work - sort of. Why does this remind me of the chap whose vanity e-mail address was "s...@tc"? (Yes, that was the complete fully expanded address.) -- Chris Thompson Email: c...@cam.ac.uk ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
On Jan 19 2009, Joe Baptista wrote: So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. However - if we qualify the TLD by adding a "." to the end, i.e. http://tm./it does work under firefox and I get connected to the correct site. This depends on the behavior of your local resolver, and probably on how Firefox is configured as well. http://tm/ works fine for me. The same applies to ping. If we just use TM we get this result: bapti...@baptista-laptop:/tmp/test.temp$ ping tm ping: unknown host tm however if we add the "." to the end of TM - it works, $ /usr/sbin/ping tm tm is alive (and yes, that really is 193.223.78.213 it is pinging, not a local tm.[some-domain]). Like I said - not recommended - but it does work - sort of. Why does this remind me of the chap whose vanity e-mail address was "s...@tc"? (Yes, that was the complete fully expanded address.) -- Chris Thompson Email: c...@cam.ac.uk ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
So a little more testing using firefox as an application gives us some interesting results. Using the .TM TLD I entered http://tm/ into my browsers. It did not work. Firefox replaced http://tm/ with http://www.tm.com/ - which is not the web site I wanted to reach. However - if we qualify the TLD by adding a "." to the end, i.e. http://tm./it does work under firefox and I get connected to the correct site. The same applies to ping. If we just use TM we get this result: bapti...@baptista-laptop:/tmp/test.temp$ ping tm ping: unknown host tm however if we add the "." to the end of TM - it works, example: bapti...@baptista-laptop:/tmp/test.temp$ ping tm. PING tm (193.223.78.213) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from serv213.icb.co.uk (193.223.78.213): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=96.2 ms Like I said - not recommended - but it does work - sort of. regards joe baptista On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Joe Baptista wrote: > Well - like I said below - it is not recommended to simply use http://tld/- > however there are a few IANA TLDs that in fact are setup with A records > associated with TLDs. Just did a test out of curiosity and found the > following ccTLDs with A records. > > AC. 86400 IN A 193.223.78.210 > AF. 86400 IN A 65.219.4.91 > AI. 14400 IN A 209.59.119.34 > BI. 38400 IN A 196.2.8.205 > CM. 3600 IN A 195.24.192.17 > DK. 86400 IN A 193.163.102.23 > HK. 604800 IN A 203.119.2.28 > IO. 604800 IN A 193.223.78.212 > PH. 86400 IN A 203.119.4.7 > PN. 43200 IN A 80.68.93.100 > PW. 600 IN A 203.199.114.33 > SH. 86400 IN A 64.251.31.234 > TM. 86400 IN A 193.223.78.213 > UZ. 14400 IN A 195.158.1.25 > WS. 21600 IN A 63.101.245.10 > > Cheers > Joe Baptista > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Joe Baptista wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> http://tld and u...@tld can *never* work *reliably* as they >>>would cause namespace clashes. Single label represent local >>>names not global names. >> >> >> Thats incorrect. It does work but is not recommended because it does not >> always work depending on the application. If the application relies solely >> on gethostbyname then it will probably work - but some applications do a bit >> more checking of the domain name and not all applications will allow it. >> >> cheers >> joe baptista >> >> -- >> Joe Baptista >> www.publicroot.org >> PublicRoot Consortium >> >> The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative >> & Accountable to the Internet community @large. >> >> Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) >> Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 >> >> > > > -- > Joe Baptista > www.publicroot.org > PublicRoot Consortium > > The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative > & Accountable to the Internet community @large. > > Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) > Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 > > -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
Well - like I said below - it is not recommended to simply use http://tld/ - however there are a few IANA TLDs that in fact are setup with A records associated with TLDs. Just did a test out of curiosity and found the following ccTLDs with A records. AC. 86400 IN A 193.223.78.210 AF. 86400 IN A 65.219.4.91 AI. 14400 IN A 209.59.119.34 BI. 38400 IN A 196.2.8.205 CM. 3600 IN A 195.24.192.17 DK. 86400 IN A 193.163.102.23 HK. 604800 IN A 203.119.2.28 IO. 604800 IN A 193.223.78.212 PH. 86400 IN A 203.119.4.7 PN. 43200 IN A 80.68.93.100 PW. 600 IN A 203.199.114.33 SH. 86400 IN A 64.251.31.234 TM. 86400 IN A 193.223.78.213 UZ. 14400 IN A 195.158.1.25 WS. 21600 IN A 63.101.245.10 Cheers Joe Baptista On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Joe Baptista wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> >> >> http://tld and u...@tld can *never* work *reliably* as they >>would cause namespace clashes. Single label represent local >>names not global names. > > > Thats incorrect. It does work but is not recommended because it does not > always work depending on the application. If the application relies solely > on gethostbyname then it will probably work - but some applications do a bit > more checking of the domain name and not all applications will allow it. > > cheers > joe baptista > > -- > Joe Baptista > www.publicroot.org > PublicRoot Consortium > > The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative > & Accountable to the Internet community @large. > > Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) > Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 > > -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > http://tld and u...@tld can *never* work *reliably* as they >would cause namespace clashes. Single label represent local >names not global names. Thats incorrect. It does work but is not recommended because it does not always work depending on the application. If the application relies solely on gethostbyname then it will probably work - but some applications do a bit more checking of the domain name and not all applications will allow it. cheers joe baptista -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
In message <496fb92d.5050...@peter-dambier.de>, Peter Dambier writes: > Hi ozgurs, > > can you give me your address so I can settup a zone for you? > > e.g. > > ozgursA 127.0.0.1 > > Then you have the proof that it is working. http://tld and u...@tld can *never* work *reliably* as they would cause namespace clashes. Single label represent local names not global names. Mark > Please have a look at > > http://www.cesidianroot.net/ > > to find how to settup your DNS for the test. > > If you have a dynamic ip address things are a little bit > more complicated but can be solved too. > > Cheers > Peter > > > ozgurs wrote: > > We want to buy a unified root domain, > > but they say we can not use the domain only one word. > > like > > ozgurs > > = > > > so that it opens > > http://ozgurs > > = > > > = > > > but we have to use a connected word to this TLD, like > > example.ozgurs > > = > > > here, my quetion comes! :) > > = > > > i bet with my friend that we can not use the domain itself. > > NOW > > I NEED A PROOF :> > > = > > > We want to know the reason why we can not use TLD alone itself, > > without a word in connected to it. > > = > > > = > > > = > > > ( I mean: instead of the URL > > = > > > = > > > = > > > ozgurs > > = > > > = > > > = > > > we have to use > > = > > > = > > > = > > > example.ozgurs > > = > > > ) > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > We want the reasons, with exact documents (for example a university=92s > > DNS managerment document from their site link or a scientific article > > regarding this issue (about the must of usage and reasons why we must > > use a word connected to the domain.) > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > Note: We will buy these products after we are satisified with the > > explanations and documents=92 reliability about the explained issue > > above. (the usages, rules of domains, configurations, DNS) > > = > > > I mean I have to prove this that it is impossible to use the domain as > > one word (like ozgurs) with very reliable indications and strongly > > that no one can deny it any way of idea) > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > With best regards, > > = > > > = > > > OzgurS > > ___ > > bind-users mailing list > > bind-users@lists.isc.org > > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > > -- = > > Peter and Karin Dambier > Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana > Rimbacher Strasse 16 > D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher > +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) > +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) > mail: pe...@peter-dambier.de > http://www.peter-dambier.de/ > http://iason.site.voila.fr/ > https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ > ULA=3D fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48 > ___ > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: mark_andr...@isc.org ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
Hi ozgurs, can you give me your address so I can settup a zone for you? e.g. ozgurs A 127.0.0.1 Then you have the proof that it is working. Please have a look at http://www.cesidianroot.net/ to find how to settup your DNS for the test. If you have a dynamic ip address things are a little bit more complicated but can be solved too. Cheers Peter ozgurs wrote: > We want to buy a unified root domain, > but they say we can not use the domain only one word. > like > ozgurs > > so that it opens > http://ozgurs > > > but we have to use a connected word to this TLD, like > example.ozgurs > > here, my quetion comes! :) > > i bet with my friend that we can not use the domain itself. > NOW > I NEED A PROOF :> > > We want to know the reason why we can not use TLD alone itself, > without a word in connected to it. > > > > ( I mean: instead of the URL > > > > ozgurs > > > > we have to use > > > > example.ozgurs > > ) > > > > > > We want the reasons, with exact documents (for example a university’s > DNS managerment document from their site link or a scientific article > regarding this issue (about the must of usage and reasons why we must > use a word connected to the domain.) > > > > > > Note: We will buy these products after we are satisified with the > explanations and documents’ reliability about the explained issue > above. (the usages, rules of domains, configurations, DNS) > > I mean I have to prove this that it is impossible to use the domain as > one word (like ozgurs) with very reliable indications and strongly > that no one can deny it any way of idea) > > > > > > > With best regards, > > > OzgurS > ___ > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: pe...@peter-dambier.de http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ ULA= fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48 ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
Unifiedroot is a scam. I suggest you do some due diligence on them before you pay them any money. Let them know I gave you this heads up - I'm sure they will appreciate it. cheers joe baptista On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:48 AM, ozgurs wrote: > We want to buy a unified root domain, > but they say we can not use the domain only one word. > like > ozgurs > > so that it opens > http://ozgurs > > > but we have to use a connected word to this TLD, like > example.ozgurs > > here, my quetion comes! :) > > i bet with my friend that we can not use the domain itself. > NOW > I NEED A PROOF :> > > We want to know the reason why we can not use TLD alone itself, > without a word in connected to it. > > > > ( I mean: instead of the URL > > > > ozgurs > > > > we have to use > > > > example.ozgurs > > ) > > > > > > We want the reasons, with exact documents (for example a university's > DNS managerment document from their site link or a scientific article > regarding this issue (about the must of usage and reasons why we must > use a word connected to the domain.) > > > > > > Note: We will buy these products after we are satisified with the > explanations and documents' reliability about the explained issue > above. (the usages, rules of domains, configurations, DNS) > > I mean I have to prove this that it is impossible to use the domain as > one word (like ozgurs) with very reliable indications and strongly > that no one can deny it any way of idea) > > > > > > > With best regards, > > > OzgurS > ___ > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Unified Root - Domain Configuration Issue
We want to buy a unified root domain, but they say we can not use the domain only one word. like ozgurs so that it opens http://ozgurs but we have to use a connected word to this TLD, like example.ozgurs here, my quetion comes! :) i bet with my friend that we can not use the domain itself. NOW I NEED A PROOF :> We want to know the reason why we can not use TLD alone itself, without a word in connected to it. ( I mean: instead of the URL ozgurs we have to use example.ozgurs ) We want the reasons, with exact documents (for example a university’s DNS managerment document from their site link or a scientific article regarding this issue (about the must of usage and reasons why we must use a word connected to the domain.) Note: We will buy these products after we are satisified with the explanations and documents’ reliability about the explained issue above. (the usages, rules of domains, configurations, DNS) I mean I have to prove this that it is impossible to use the domain as one word (like ozgurs) with very reliable indications and strongly that no one can deny it any way of idea) With best regards, OzgurS ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
