bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Hello,

pardon my ignorance if this has been discussed (haven't notice), but
if BIND is configured to automatically sign dynamic zones, does it
distribute DS records to parent zones somehow? and if not, what are ways to
do that? 
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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
 In message 20101209220716.ga2...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:
  pardon my ignorance if this has been discussed (haven't notice), but
  if BIND is configured to automatically sign dynamic zones, does it
  distribute DS records to parent zones somehow? and if not, what are ways to
  do that? 

On 10.12.10 09:15, Mark Andrews wrote:
 This is IETF dnsext/dnsop fodder. 
 
 The simple way would be to just record a TSIG key in the child zones
 config to update the parent zone and use signed UPDATE messages.
 Unfortunately this has run into layer 9 issues.

maybe some alternative of NOTIFY mechanism?

However that's apparently why I missed it...
I think I'll try with opendnssec. I even don't like the automatic mechanism
much because of bulk updates which I do quite often.

Is it possible(planned) for bind to sign slave zone?
And, are incremental updates possible with dnssec?

I'm thinking about hidden master bind loading (un)signed zones and providing
axfr/ixfr to our public servers

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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 20101209222644.ga2...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:
  In message 20101209220716.ga2...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writ
 es:
   pardon my ignorance if this has been discussed (haven't notice), but
   if BIND is configured to automatically sign dynamic zones, does it
   distribute DS records to parent zones somehow? and if not, what are ways 
 to
   do that? 
 
 On 10.12.10 09:15, Mark Andrews wrote:
  This is IETF dnsext/dnsop fodder. 
  
  The simple way would be to just record a TSIG key in the child zones
  config to update the parent zone and use signed UPDATE messages.
  Unfortunately this has run into layer 9 issues.
 
 maybe some alternative of NOTIFY mechanism?

 However that's apparently why I missed it...
 I think I'll try with opendnssec. I even don't like the automatic mechanism
 much because of bulk updates which I do quite often.
 
 Is it possible(planned) for bind to sign slave zone?

The master signs the zone.  The slaves just serve it.

 And, are incremental updates possible with dnssec?

Yes.  You just send the signature and nsec/nsec3 changes as well as the
data changes themselves.

 I'm thinking about hidden master bind loading (un)signed zones and
 providing axfr/ixfr to our public servers

DNSSEC works with hidden masters.
 
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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread fakessh @
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Le 09.12.2010 23:26, Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit :
 In message 20101209220716.ga2...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
 writes:
 pardon my ignorance if this has been discussed (haven't notice), but
 if BIND is configured to automatically sign dynamic zones, does it
 distribute DS records to parent zones somehow? and if not, what are ways to
 do that? 
 
 On 10.12.10 09:15, Mark Andrews wrote:
 This is IETF dnsext/dnsop fodder. 

 The simple way would be to just record a TSIG key in the child zones
 config to update the parent zone and use signed UPDATE messages.
 Unfortunately this has run into layer 9 issues.
 
 maybe some alternative of NOTIFY mechanism?
 
 However that's apparently why I missed it...
 I think I'll try with opendnssec. I even don't like the automatic mechanism
 much because of bulk updates which I do quite often.
 
 Is it possible(planned) for bind to sign slave zone?
 And, are incremental updates possible with dnssec?
 
 I'm thinking about hidden master bind loading (un)signed zones and providing
 axfr/ixfr to our public servers
 


webmin implement the mecanism of resign  zones

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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
 In message 20101209222644.ga2...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:
  Is it possible(planned) for bind to sign slave zone?

On 10.12.10 09:41, Mark Andrews wrote:
 The master signs the zone.  The slaves just serve it.

The master still loads the zone somehow, from a file probably
(even dynamic zones are saved to disk on shutdown, aren't they?)

Being able to fetch zone from different server vi axfr/ixfr and sign it as
it would be dynamic zone would spare me from playing with opendnssec or
running dnssec-signzone manually.

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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 09.12.10 23:45, fakessh @ wrote:
 webmin implement the mecanism of resign  zones

good to know, but our system fille DNS data using some automatic processes
from more sources and I don't think they should use webmin for that ;)

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Re: bind autosign - DS distribution

2010-12-09 Thread fakessh @
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Le 10.12.2010 00:24, Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit :
 On 09.12.10 23:45, fakessh @ wrote:
 webmin implement the mecanism of resign  zones
 
 good to know, but our system fille DNS data using some automatic processes
 from more sources and I don't think they should use webmin for that ;)
 


look the source for the construct a perl script
webmin is build with modules
its easy i think


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