RE: how to defense against ddos attack to dns?

2009-11-20 Thread MontyRee



Hello, 
I tested some dns dos tool like dnstest(http://www.trsecurity.net/dnstest/)
this program generates 
(1) lots of queries (2) queried domains are randomly (3) source ip can be 
spoofed to the destination.
below is an example(192.168.198.17 is victim) 
07:09:11.658811 IP 167.187.119.211.4500 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? 
www.aocddv.biz. (32)07:09:11.775809 IP 206.140.182.86.1233 
192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.bvthus.org. (32)07:09:11.891780 IP 
157.160.17.164.3454 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.oftinx.net. 
(32)07:09:12.008021 IP 27.71.230.67.56566 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? 
www.nnqsts.net. (32)07:09:12.123998 IP 202.193.203.54.1320 
192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.lpdbxs.biz. (32)07:09:12.240545 IP 
217.53.229.167.22211 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.ahnxuj.biz. 
(32)07:09:12.357514 IP 208.133.39.51.435435 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? 
www.sdhvmu.org. (32)07:09:12.472896 IP 80.168.228.221.5464 
192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.juewou.com. (32)07:09:12.705161 IP 
217.198.77.156.1223 192.168.198.17.domain:  2+ A? www.vgxaex.org. (32)

My question is 
if so lots of queries are like above, how can I defense the attack?I think that 
just denying the recursion is not sufficient. 
Please share your experiences and opinions.

Thanks.


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 Subject: Re: how to defense against ddos attack to dns? 
 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:19:53 +1100
 
 
 In message blu149-w13ef74e1e2eba2fe9dd3f385...@phx.gbl, MontyRee writes:
 
 Hello, all.
  
 I have operated some dns servers and I'm curious what should I do if 
 ddos attck to my dns servers.
  
 So do you know how to defense against dns dddos attack like root server?
  
 Surely, various ddos attack may be occurred.
  
 My idea is..
  
 -. filtering 53/udp traffic that the byte is over 512 byte
 -. rate-limit against 53/udp queries
(but useless if the attack spoof the source ip)
 -. deny recursion 
 -. anycast?
  
 Is ther any comments or proposal?
 
 How you defend against a DoS attack depends on the actual attack
 and what services you are attempting to provide and to whom.  You
 want to minimise collateral damage and some of the methods above
 are likely to introduce collateral damage.
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 -- 
 Mark Andrews, ISC
 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
 PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
  
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Re: how to defense against ddos attack to dns?

2009-11-20 Thread Bryan Irvine
Basically, you have to have a big enough server/cluster of servers, to
absorb an attack.

No real defense from distributed dos.



2009/11/16 MontyRee chulm...@hotmail.com:

 Hello, all.


 I have operated some dns servers and I'm curious what should I do if
 ddos attck to my dns servers.

 So do you know how to defense against dns dddos attack like root server?

 Surely, various ddos attack may be occurred.

 My idea is..


 -. filtering 53/udp traffic that the byte is over 512 byte
 -. rate-limit against 53/udp queries
   (but useless if the attack spoof the source ip)
 -. deny recursion
 -. anycast?


 Is ther any comments or proposal?


 Thanks in advance.




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how to defense against ddos attack to dns?

2009-11-16 Thread MontyRee

Hello, all.
 
 
I have operated some dns servers and I'm curious what should I do if 
ddos attck to my dns servers.
 
So do you know how to defense against dns dddos attack like root server?
 
Surely, various ddos attack may be occurred.
 
My idea is..
 
 
-. filtering 53/udp traffic that the byte is over 512 byte
-. rate-limit against 53/udp queries
   (but useless if the attack spoof the source ip)
-. deny recursion 
-. anycast?
 
 
Is ther any comments or proposal?
 
 
Thanks in advance. 
 
 
 
  
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Re: how to defense against ddos attack to dns?

2009-11-16 Thread Mark Andrews

In message blu149-w13ef74e1e2eba2fe9dd3f385...@phx.gbl, MontyRee writes:
 
 Hello, all.
  
 I have operated some dns servers and I'm curious what should I do if 
 ddos attck to my dns servers.
  
 So do you know how to defense against dns dddos attack like root server?
  
 Surely, various ddos attack may be occurred.
  
 My idea is..
  
 -. filtering 53/udp traffic that the byte is over 512 byte
 -. rate-limit against 53/udp queries
(but useless if the attack spoof the source ip)
 -. deny recursion 
 -. anycast?
  
 Is ther any comments or proposal?

How you defend against a DoS attack depends on the actual attack
and what services you are attempting to provide and to whom.  You
want to minimise collateral damage and some of the methods above
are likely to introduce collateral damage.

 Thanks in advance. 
-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
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