Re: underscores in A queries

2021-04-09 Thread Ondřej Surý
Those are qname minimization queries.

Because DNS implementations (especially in load-balancers) are so broken, the 
qname minimizing resolver can’t ask for:

 IN NS

because that often doesn’t work, but when it asks:

_. IN A

the resolver will get the correct answer.

Unfortunately, this is the world we are living in...

Ondrej
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> On 9. 4. 2021, at 20:28, Kevin K  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been parsing my query logs to watch for unusual/unexpected lookups, and 
> I notice quite a few A queries with underscores, often in patterns like
> 
> _.domainname.com
> 
> often followed by
> 
> _.xyz.domainname.com
> 
> or
> 
> _.domainname.com.mydomain.com
> 
> Can someone tell me what these are and what the underscores mean?
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Re: underscores in A queries

2021-04-09 Thread Lee
On 4/9/21, John W. Blue via bind-users  wrote:
> It would seem that underscores is one of those characters in DNS that leads
> a double life.
>
> RFC’s say that underscores are disallowed for use in hostnames

Right.  But it's **hostnames** and not everyone enforces that rule :(

> but SRV
> records use it to indicate service type et al.

SRV records aren't hostnames, nor are CNAME records, TXT, etc.

I've got this bit in my notes re "check-names response fail;"
# also see  dns-operati...@lists.dns-oarc.net
#  [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname
# where the consensus is to not do this check on resolvers

Regards,
Lee
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RE: underscores in A queries

2021-04-09 Thread John W. Blue via bind-users
It would seem that underscores is one of those characters in DNS that leads a 
double life.

RFC’s say that underscores are disallowed for use in hostnames but SRV records 
use it to indicate service type et al.  And then you have the 
acm-validations.aws geniuses who use it their hostnames to validate domain 
ownership to issue SSL certs never mind it that the format completely screws up 
the design and architecture of your subzones.

:/

(not a fan of Route53 BTW .. and now they say they can “do” DNSSEC.  lol)

So while there is more to talk about with underscores the real answer to your 
question is what do those records resolve to?  SIP or TCP or whatever?  Using 
the DNS query answer will provide the clue as to why those questions are being 
asked.

John

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Kevin K
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 1:28 PM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: underscores in A queries

Hi,

I've been parsing my query logs to watch for unusual/unexpected lookups, and I 
notice quite a few A queries with underscores, often in patterns like

_.domainname.com

often followed by

_.xyz.domainname.com

or

_.domainname.com.mydomain.com

Can someone tell me what these are and what the underscores mean?


thanks

Kevin

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underscores in A queries

2021-04-09 Thread Kevin K
Hi, 

I've been parsing my query logs to watch for unusual/unexpected lookups, and I 
notice quite a few A queries with underscores, often in patterns like 

_.domainname.com 

often followed by 

_.xyz.domainname.com 

or 

_.domainname.com.mydomain.com 

Can someone tell me what these are and what the underscores mean? 


thanks 

Kevin 

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