Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Schildbach
On 05/15/2014 07:48 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
 On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Andreas Schildbach
 andr...@schildbach.de wrote:
 I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
 infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
 custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
 bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.

 If software is using the DNS seeds in a way where one or two being
 unavailable is problematic, then the software may be using them
 poorly.

 Generally DNS seeds should only be used as fast connectivity hints,
 primarily for initial connectivity. Relying on them exclusively
 increases isolation vulnerabilities (e.g. because the dns seed
 operators or any ISP or network attacker on the path between you and
 the seeds can replace the results with ones that isolate you on a
 bogus network).

I just used nslookup, after seeing the issues in bitcoinj.

I agree that clients should be robust regarding DNS lookups (and
bitcoinj isn't), but still I think the first step needs to be
maintaining a quality infrastructure.



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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Mike Hearn
My android wallet is working OK. Yes it isn't great when seeds have
temporary availability problems but things are still working.

There's a couple of pull reqs outstanding to include hard coded seed peers
and getaddr sourced IPs. Once those are finished and merged in there'll be
more backup paths.
On 16 May 2014 11:16, Andreas Schildbach andr...@schildbach.de wrote:

 On 05/15/2014 07:48 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
  On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Andreas Schildbach
  andr...@schildbach.de wrote:
  I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
  infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
  custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
  bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
 
  If software is using the DNS seeds in a way where one or two being
  unavailable is problematic, then the software may be using them
  poorly.
 
  Generally DNS seeds should only be used as fast connectivity hints,
  primarily for initial connectivity. Relying on them exclusively
  increases isolation vulnerabilities (e.g. because the dns seed
  operators or any ISP or network attacker on the path between you and
  the seeds can replace the results with ones that isolate you on a
  bogus network).

 I just used nslookup, after seeing the issues in bitcoinj.

 I agree that clients should be robust regarding DNS lookups (and
 bitcoinj isn't), but still I think the first step needs to be
 maintaining a quality infrastructure.




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[Bitcoin-development] Someone put a virus signature into the blockchain

2014-05-16 Thread David Shares
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25otbt/someone_put_a_virus_signature_in_the_bitcoin/
 

I just wanted to pass this into the dev list, in case it hasn't been seen yet. 
I haven't seen anything about it. Thanks, David. 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Someone put a virus signature into the blockchain

2014-05-16 Thread Christophe Biocca
Here's the relevant github issue: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4069

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:22 AM, David Shares davidsha...@outlook.com wrote:
 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25otbt/someone_put_a_virus_signature_in_the_bitcoin/

 I just wanted to pass this into the dev list, in case it hasn't been seen
 yet. I haven't seen anything about it. Thanks, David.

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Someone put a virus signature into the blockchain

2014-05-16 Thread David Shares
Thanks! 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 16, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Christophe Biocca 
 christophe.bio...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here's the relevant github issue: 
 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4069
 
 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:22 AM, David Shares davidsha...@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25otbt/someone_put_a_virus_signature_in_the_bitcoin/
 
 I just wanted to pass this into the dev list, in case it hasn't been seen
 yet. I haven't seen anything about it. Thanks, David.
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Schildbach
Apparently British Telecom also cannot speak to Peter Todd's server.

That another very large ISP in Europe.


On 05/15/2014 01:50 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
 infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
 custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
 bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
 
 Current state (seeds taken from bitcoinj):
 
 mainnet:
 
 seed.bitcoin.sipa.be  OK
 dnsseed.bluematt.me   OK
 dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.orgSERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs
 seed.bitcoinstats.com OK
 
 testnet:
 
 testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.orgSERVFAIL, just from Telefonica
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me  OK (but only returns one node)
 
 Note: Telefonica is one of Europe's largest ISPs.
 
 I would try to improve DNS myself, but I'm not capable of writing C. My
 fix would be to reimplement everything in Java -- I doubt you guys
 would be happy with that.
 
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Matt Whitlock
Is Peter Todd's server actually up? The Google public DNS resolver at 8.8.8.8 
can't resolve testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org either (SERVFAIL).


On Friday, 16 May 2014, at 6:34 pm, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 Apparently British Telecom also cannot speak to Peter Todd's server.
 
 That another very large ISP in Europe.
 
 
 On 05/15/2014 01:50 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
  I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
  infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
  custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
  bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
  
  Current state (seeds taken from bitcoinj):
  
  mainnet:
  
  seed.bitcoin.sipa.beOK
  dnsseed.bluematt.me OK
  dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org  SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs
  seed.bitcoinstats.com   OK
  
  testnet:
  
  testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org  SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica
  testnet-seed.bluematt.meOK (but only returns one node)
  
  Note: Telefonica is one of Europe's largest ISPs.
  
  I would try to improve DNS myself, but I'm not capable of writing C. My
  fix would be to reimplement everything in Java -- I doubt you guys
  would be happy with that.
  
  
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
It looks like it might be firewalled, probably just need to fix the ACL in EC2.

-Laszlo

On May 16, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Andreas Schildbach andr...@schildbach.de wrote:

 Apparently British Telecom also cannot speak to Peter Todd's server.
 
 That another very large ISP in Europe.
 
 
 On 05/15/2014 01:50 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
 infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
 custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
 bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
 
 Current state (seeds taken from bitcoinj):
 
 mainnet:
 
 seed.bitcoin.sipa.be OK
 dnsseed.bluematt.me  OK
 dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org   SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs
 seed.bitcoinstats.comOK
 
 testnet:
 
 testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org   SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me OK (but only returns one node)
 
 Note: Telefonica is one of Europe's largest ISPs.
 
 I would try to improve DNS myself, but I'm not capable of writing C. My
 fix would be to reimplement everything in Java -- I doubt you guys
 would be happy with that.
 
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Alex Kotenko
Hi guys


Just wanted to let you know that Andreas' testnet Bitcoin Wallet doesn't
work because of fail in the peer discovery, and this caused us problems as
we cannot properly demonstrate my XBTerminal POS on the Bitcoin Conference.

Right now I'm booting up an own full node that I will set as trusted peer
in the Wallet settings, hopefully this will work. However this DNS
discovery problem is really a problem, even for testnet. Btw, I had
problems firing up the full bitcoind node also, of the same reason -
discovery failed. I had to ask Andreas to paste me his node list to
manually seed the nodelist.

So I've set up and will run a well connected testnet node, as we need it
for the XBTerminal.
Please let me know if I can somehow help to fix the DNS discovery issue
also.


Best regards,
Alex Kotenko


2014-05-16 17:46 GMT+01:00 Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.net:

 It looks like it might be firewalled, probably just need to fix the ACL in
 EC2.

 -Laszlo

 On May 16, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Andreas Schildbach andr...@schildbach.de
 wrote:

  Apparently British Telecom also cannot speak to Peter Todd's server.
 
  That another very large ISP in Europe.
 
 
  On 05/15/2014 01:50 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
  I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
  infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
  custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have been
  bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
 
  Current state (seeds taken from bitcoinj):
 
  mainnet:
 
  seed.bitcoin.sipa.be OK
  dnsseed.bluematt.me  OK
  dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org   SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs
  seed.bitcoinstats.comOK
 
  testnet:
 
  testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org   SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica
  testnet-seed.bluematt.me OK (but only returns one node)
 
  Note: Telefonica is one of Europe's largest ISPs.
 
  I would try to improve DNS myself, but I'm not capable of writing C. My
  fix would be to reimplement everything in Java -- I doubt you guys
  would be happy with that.
 
 
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Rob Golding
  dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org  SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs

dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org. 60  IN  NS  jun.dashjr.org.
but jun.dashjr.org isn't responding to dns queries (as at 18.10 GMT
2014-05-16)

that would be a fundamental problem with the dns infrastructure for that
domain (and the sub-hosts/records) , with the authoritive server not
replying to the dns query

  testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org  SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica

Similarly no response from the alias'd aws dns service on 23.21.243.183
(testnet-seed-ns1.bitcoin.petertodd.org) from various test locations in
Europe

If there's a requirement for a domain  highly redundant dns to hard-code
into something, and one of the dev's drops me an email, I can get that
organised FoC, but these issues look like 'common'
firewall/transit/connectivity issues at first glance.

Rob


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Nick Simpson
Luke's server has been having issues with ipv4 routing lately anyway, even 
ignoring any DNS issues.

Nick

On May 16, 2014 12:17:17 PM CDT, Rob Golding rob.gold...@astutium.com wrote:
  dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs

dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org. 60  IN  NS  jun.dashjr.org.
but jun.dashjr.org isn't responding to dns queries (as at 18.10 GMT
2014-05-16)

that would be a fundamental problem with the dns infrastructure for
that
domain (and the sub-hosts/records) , with the authoritive server not
replying to the dns query

  testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica

Similarly no response from the alias'd aws dns service on 23.21.243.183
(testnet-seed-ns1.bitcoin.petertodd.org) from various test locations in
Europe

If there's a requirement for a domain  highly redundant dns to
hard-code
into something, and one of the dev's drops me an email, I can get that
organised FoC, but these issues look like 'common'
firewall/transit/connectivity issues at first glance.

Rob


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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Matt Corallo
This is very strange...when did you run this test and can anyone else
reproduce this?

Matt

On 05/15/14 11:50, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me  OK (but only returns one node)

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Schildbach
For example just now:

$ nslookup testnet-seed.bluematt.me
Server: 127.0.1.1
Address:127.0.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
testnet-seed.bluematt.mecanonical name = bitcoin-seednode.bluematt.me.
bitcoin-seednode.bluematt.mecanonical name = desktopv2.bluematt.me.
Name:   desktopv2.bluematt.me
Address: 152.23.202.18

And that address doesn't connect on port 18333.


On 05/16/2014 08:53 PM, Matt Corallo wrote:
 This is very strange...when did you run this test and can anyone else
 reproduce this?
 
 Matt
 
 On 05/15/14 11:50, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me OK (but only returns one node)
 
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Alex Kotenko
Ok, what do I need to do? How do I host a testnet seed myself?

Best regards,
Alex Kotenko


2014-05-16 23:02 GMT+01:00 Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com:

 There are only two testnet seeds listed in bitcoind, and one of them
 returns SERVFAIL (testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org) and the other
 just returns one A record (testnet-seed.bluematt.me).  No idea what
 seeds bitcoinj uses.

 If you are going to depend on testnet, especially for an important
 demo... contribute to the infrastructure!  This stuff doesn't just fix
 itself for free.




 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Alex Kotenko alexy...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi guys
 
 
  Just wanted to let you know that Andreas' testnet Bitcoin Wallet doesn't
  work because of fail in the peer discovery, and this caused us problems
 as
  we cannot properly demonstrate my XBTerminal POS on the Bitcoin
 Conference.
 
  Right now I'm booting up an own full node that I will set as trusted
 peer in
  the Wallet settings, hopefully this will work. However this DNS discovery
  problem is really a problem, even for testnet. Btw, I had problems
 firing up
  the full bitcoind node also, of the same reason - discovery failed. I
 had to
  ask Andreas to paste me his node list to manually seed the nodelist.
 
  So I've set up and will run a well connected testnet node, as we need it
 for
  the XBTerminal.
  Please let me know if I can somehow help to fix the DNS discovery issue
  also.
 
 
  Best regards,
  Alex Kotenko
 
 
  2014-05-16 17:46 GMT+01:00 Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.net:
 
  It looks like it might be firewalled, probably just need to fix the ACL
 in
  EC2.
 
  -Laszlo
 
  On May 16, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Andreas Schildbach andr...@schildbach.de
  wrote:
 
   Apparently British Telecom also cannot speak to Peter Todd's server.
  
   That another very large ISP in Europe.
  
  
   On 05/15/2014 01:50 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
   I'm bringing this issue up again. The current Bitcoin DNS seed
   infrastructure is unstable. I assume this is because of we're using a
   custom DNS implementation which is not 100% compatible. There have
 been
   bugs in the past, like a case sensitive match for the domain name.
  
   Current state (seeds taken from bitcoinj):
  
   mainnet:
  
   seed.bitcoin.sipa.be OK
   dnsseed.bluematt.me  OK
   dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org   SERVFAIL, tried multiple ISPs
   seed.bitcoinstats.comOK
  
   testnet:
  
   testnet-seed.bitcoin.petertodd.org   SERVFAIL, just from Telefonica
   testnet-seed.bluematt.me OK (but only returns one node)
  
   Note: Telefonica is one of Europe's largest ISPs.
  
   I would try to improve DNS myself, but I'm not capable of writing C.
 My
   fix would be to reimplement everything in Java -- I doubt you guys
   would be happy with that.
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] DNS seeds unstable

2014-05-16 Thread Matt Corallo
Oops, missed the lost

On May 16, 2014 3:04:40 PM EDT, Matt Corallo bitcoin-l...@bluematt.me wrote:
Oh, I missed that this was the testnet seed. Yea, that one never got
set
up properly and was just pointing to a static seed node (that is now
down...). The mainnet seed actually works.

On 05/16/14 19:01, Laszlo Hanyecz wrote:
 Matt,
 
 I get the same:
 
 $ host testnet-seed.bluematt.me
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me is an alias for
bitcoin-seednode.bluematt.me.
 bitcoin-seednode.bluematt.me is an alias for desktopv2.bluematt.me.
 desktopv2.bluematt.me has address 152.23.202.18
 
 
 $ dig +trace desktopv2.bluematt.me. any
 
 ;  DiG 9.8.5-P1  +trace desktopv2.bluematt.me. any
 ;; global options: +cmd
 .451792  IN  NS  l.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  d.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  e.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  c.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  j.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  b.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  h.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  f.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  g.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  a.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  i.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  m.root-servers.net.
 .451792  IN  NS  k.root-servers.net.
 ;; Received 512 bytes from 2a00:5540:5014::1#53(2a00:5540:5014::1) in
2 ms
 
 me.  172800  IN  NS  b2.me.afilias-nst.org.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  ns2.nic.me.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  a0.cctld.afilias-nst.info.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  b0.cctld.afilias-nst.org.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  c0.cctld.afilias-nst.info.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  d0.cctld.afilias-nst.org.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  a2.me.afilias-nst.info.
 me.  172800  IN  NS  ns.nic.me.
 ;; Received 509 bytes from 2001:7fe::53#53(i.root-servers.net) in
1807 ms
 
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns.bluematt.me.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns3.he.net.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns4.he.net.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns1.rollernet.us.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns2.rollernet.us.
 ;; Received 162 bytes from
2001:500:26::1#53(b0.cctld.afilias-nst.org) in 118 ms
 
 desktopv2.bluematt.me.   3600IN  A   152.23.202.18
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns4.he.net.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns3.he.net.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns2.rollernet.us.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns1.rollernet.us.
 bluematt.me. 86400   IN  NS  ns.bluematt.me.
 ;; Received 178 bytes from 2607:fe70:0:4::b#53(ns2.rollernet.us) in
126 ms
 
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 Laszlo
 
 
 On May 16, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Matt Corallo bitcoin-l...@bluematt.me
wrote:
 
 This is very strange...when did you run this test and can anyone
else
 reproduce this?

 Matt

 On 05/15/14 11:50, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
 testnet-seed.bluematt.me   OK (but only returns one node)


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