[Blackbelly] fenced area needed in Guymon Oklahoma for sheep transfer

2011-09-06 Thread Carol Elkins
I will be swapping some sheep with a person and we plan to meet 
halfway in Guymon, Oklahoma. I get nervous thinking about 
transferring blackbelly sheep from one vehicle/trailer to another 
without the security of a fenced enclosure to prevent an accidental 
runaway. Do any of you happen to live in or near Guymon and have a 
fenced area or know of one? Guymon has a fairground, but I can't see 
from the map if there are any barns. If someone familiar with the 
area could email me privately, I would greatly appreciate it.


Carol

Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
celk...@critterhaven.biz

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[Blackbelly] Fwd: RE: Barbados Blackbelly sheep

2011-09-06 Thread Carol Elkins
Folks, here is a link about a fire in southern California 
yesterday.  Look closely at the pictures of 35 American Blackbelly 
sheep that survived the fire, although some are "scorched" from the 
tremendous heat of the fire.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cajon-fire-20110904,0,5879720.story

More photos are here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cajon-pass-fire-pictures,0,6280404.photogallery

If you follow the link to pictures taken of the fire you will see 
more pictures of the sheep and desperate circumstances the owner now 
faces with his tremendous loss.  Although his home was fully paid 
for, he didn't have insurance.  Hopefully he will be able to feed the 
survivors of the fire but what about medical help for them?


He lost everything he owned, everything was burned to the ground but 
somehow the sheep survived, shielded from the flames by their 
protector, a Lama, shown in photographs to be very badly burned. I'm 
hoping that one of you or someone you know could offer to temporarily 
provide pasture for them to graze or help him decide what to do for 
the survivors.


Although I do not know this gentleman, I do know that in times like 
this you just don't think clearly, and sometimes it's through the 
help of outsiders that can make a huge difference.


Carol

Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz

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[Blackbelly] baking soda

2011-09-06 Thread Elizabeth Radi
Sandy,
You get this at the feed store under the name of sodium bicarbonate. 

Liz Radi
Idar Alpacas, Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep
Nunn, Colorado
970-716-7218
idaralpaca.blogspot.com

--- slhess...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: SHession 
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:10:54 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you for all the good suggestions.  They were wormed about 5 weeks ago 
with oral Ivermectin.  She seems better this afternoon and nibbled on some 
grass, so hopefully we are on the road to recovery.  I will get some Probios 
this afternoon, and put out some baking soda.  I will give them another dose of 
Ivermectin, but would like to continue to watch her for another day or two 
before doing that.

I don't yet have enough experience with the sheep to feel confident in 
evaluating whether I am dealing with an emergency or not.

Thanks again.

Sandy

--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Onalee  wrote:

> From: Onalee 
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 2:50 PM
> Another thing to consider is how long
> ago have they been wormed and what did you use?  You
> may want to re-worm them, even if they look healthy and fat;
> I've seen sheep get sick and die from worm infestation, even
> though they looked fine.  I would NOT USE SAFEGUARD ...
> that was the most useless wormer I've ever used. 
> Ivomec injectable has worked best for me.
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Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep

2011-09-06 Thread SHession
My ewe seems fine this morning.  My pasture is not lush - hence the pellets.  
It is a very scraggly mix which we hope to improve, with the help of the 
livestock, and a lot of lime (pH 4.8).

Thanks again to all for your valuable input.

Sandy

--- On Tue, 9/6/11, Cecil R Bearden  wrote:

> From: Cecil R Bearden 
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 6:06 AM
> If your sheep are on lush grass and
> you are feeding them alfalfa pellets and also some grain,
> they are getting too much feed...
> This sounds like a rich ration, and sheep are used to
> foraging on lower grade grasses.  I had this problem
> when I put out molasses tubs  and the grass was
> lush.   I lost 2 to either bloat with this
> high sugar ration.  It was my 2 best ewes also, because
> they always crowded the others out...  If the grass is
> lush,  then I would only give them a mineral supplement
> and leave the grain for catching them or leading them into
> the barn
> 
> Just my $0.02
> 
> Cecil in oKla
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/5/2011 2:10 PM, SHession wrote:
> > Thank you for all the good suggestions.  They
> were wormed about 5 weeks ago with oral Ivermectin. 
> She seems better this afternoon and nibbled on some grass,
> so hopefully we are on the road to recovery.  I will
> get some Probios this afternoon, and put out some baking
> soda.  I will give them another dose of Ivermectin, but
> would like to continue to watch her for another day or two
> before doing that.
> > 
> > I don't yet have enough experience with the sheep to
> feel confident in evaluating whether I am dealing with an
> emergency or not.
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > 
> > Sandy
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 9/5/11, Onalee 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Onalee
> >> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
> >> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> >> Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 2:50 PM
> >> Another thing to consider is how long
> >> ago have they been wormed and what did you
> use?  You
> >> may want to re-worm them, even if they look
> healthy and fat;
> >> I've seen sheep get sick and die from worm
> infestation, even
> >> though they looked fine.  I would NOT USE
> SAFEGUARD ...
> >> that was the most useless wormer I've ever used.
> Ivomec injectable has worked best for me.
> >> 
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Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep

2011-09-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Livestock Concepts has an Ivermectin wormer that is mixed in the feed, 
also a panacur based wormer that is feed mixed.  Use the dose for the 7 
day treatment for hogs, but only use it once and then 2 weeks later.  
Then inject the ones that appear to still have worms.  This works great, 
ans saves me a lot of work with my 60 head flock



Cecil in OKla



On 9/5/2011 2:10 PM, SHession wrote:

Thank you for all the good suggestions.  They were wormed about 5 weeks ago 
with oral Ivermectin.  She seems better this afternoon and nibbled on some 
grass, so hopefully we are on the road to recovery.  I will get some Probios 
this afternoon, and put out some baking soda.  I will give them another dose of 
Ivermectin, but would like to continue to watch her for another day or two 
before doing that.

I don't yet have enough experience with the sheep to feel confident in 
evaluating whether I am dealing with an emergency or not.

Thanks again.

Sandy

--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Onalee  wrote:


From: Onalee
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 2:50 PM
Another thing to consider is how long
ago have they been wormed and what did you use?  You
may want to re-worm them, even if they look healthy and fat;
I've seen sheep get sick and die from worm infestation, even
though they looked fine.  I would NOT USE SAFEGUARD ...
that was the most useless wormer I've ever used. 
Ivomec injectable has worked best for me.


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Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep

2011-09-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
If your sheep are on lush grass and you are feeding them alfalfa pellets 
and also some grain, they are getting too much feed...
This sounds like a rich ration, and sheep are used to foraging on lower 
grade grasses.  I had this problem when I put out molasses tubs  and the 
grass was lush.   I lost 2 to either bloat with this high sugar ration.  
It was my 2 best ewes also, because they always crowded the others 
out...  If the grass is lush,  then I would only give them a mineral 
supplement and leave the grain for catching them or leading them into 
the barn


Just my $0.02

Cecil in oKla



On 9/5/2011 2:10 PM, SHession wrote:

Thank you for all the good suggestions.  They were wormed about 5 weeks ago 
with oral Ivermectin.  She seems better this afternoon and nibbled on some 
grass, so hopefully we are on the road to recovery.  I will get some Probios 
this afternoon, and put out some baking soda.  I will give them another dose of 
Ivermectin, but would like to continue to watch her for another day or two 
before doing that.

I don't yet have enough experience with the sheep to feel confident in 
evaluating whether I am dealing with an emergency or not.

Thanks again.

Sandy

--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Onalee  wrote:


From: Onalee
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 2:50 PM
Another thing to consider is how long
ago have they been wormed and what did you use?  You
may want to re-worm them, even if they look healthy and fat;
I've seen sheep get sick and die from worm infestation, even
though they looked fine.  I would NOT USE SAFEGUARD ...
that was the most useless wormer I've ever used. 
Ivomec injectable has worked best for me.


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