wow, so I imagined it was the other way around. I was thinking the Painted 
Desert was actually an indigenous sheep to the US and was bred with BBs to get 
horns on ABs.  Thanks for the clarification.

_Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies

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On Oct 30, 2011, at 4:51 PM, imgr8a...@comcast.net wrote:

> Sorry it took me so long to respond to this.  
> 
> The Texas Dahl is a white sheep and when crossed with an American Blackbelly 
> you get a very pretty painted desert.  I have American as well as Barbados 
> Blackbelly sheep and my sister-in-law has painted desert sheep.  The American 
> Blackbelly Sheep is one of the most common sheep crossed with another to 
> produce painted desert sheep.  Painted Desert sheep have horns and have to 
> have certain color patterns to be registered.  If the baby doesn't have lots 
> of color, the only way to register them is if both parents were registered 
> Painted Desert sheep.  
> 
> 
> Nancy L. Johnson
> imgr8a...@comcast.net
> cell: 301 440 4808
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Smith" <mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com>
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:20:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] BB or AB crossed with something else
> 
> folks, another great California example. you will have to check this
> ad out quickly, it might not stay there long
> 
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/grd/2623369772.html
> 
> they say "Texas Dahl" cross with BB. But all I see in those white-ish
> rams with spots, is Painted Desert cross with BB.
> 
> Texas Dahl is another one we don't see out here much.
> 
> _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
> 
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Michael Smith <mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Donna-Marie, I imagine you are talking about Marley the ram?
>> 
>> http://mwsmith.smugmug.com/Animals/RamsMay2011/17252812_BwW2Sr#1309783922_zcS5wtP-A-LB
>> 
>> take a look at the link Carol included for Painted Desert sheep, and
>> remember I said the most common cross with Barbado Blackbelly to get
>> American Blackbelly in the west, is Painted Desert. Marley has those
>> horns. and after only 3 years.
>> 
>> http://www.painteddesertsheepsociety.com/
>> 
>> I "wish" we had Mouflon in California. I have never seen them, and
>> look every few months on craigslist and ag. forums for them and never
>> see them in California. But, if I search on the word "barbado", which
>> is what people call ABs here, I find several ads on any given week. I
>> can find some Jacobs sheep, Painted Desert, but no Mouflon.  Just
>> gives you an idea how rare Mouflon are around here.
>> 
>> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Carol Elkins <celk...@critterhaven.biz> 
>> wrote:
>>> Mouflon have heart-shaped (supracervical) horns, so a mouflon-cross would be
>>> more likely to have supracervical horns rather than horns that sweep outward
>>> in curls (homonymous).
>>> 
>>> For an excellent discussion about the various blackbelly crosses and
>>> resulting horn shapes, see Anita Garza's page at
>>> http://www.elcascabel.com/corbros.htm  Her nomenclature for Barbados
>>> Blackbelly and American Blackbelly is a little outdated, but the bulk of the
>>> information on this page is very well written.
>>> 
>>> Those of you with horned sheep might be interested in the United Horned Hair
>>> Sheep Association at http://www.unitedhornedhairsheepassociation.org/
>>> 
>>> Those of you with horned sheep that are multi-colored might be interested in
>>> the Painted Desert Sheep Society at
>>> http://www.painteddesertsheepsociety.com/
>>> 
>>> Those of you with well-marked blackbelly sheep with horns (ewes don't need
>>> to be horned) might be interested in the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep
>>> Association Int'l. which maintains the oldest registry for the American
>>> Blackbelly breed. http://www.blackbellysheep.org
>>> 
>>> Carol
>>> 
>>> At 04:49 PM 9/30/2011, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I was told that the first thing to go on a cross is the black bar across
>>>> the
>>>> top of the head.
>>>> 
>>>> I would say the one ram with the wide spread horns may be a mouflon cross
>>>> as
>>>> they have that horn set.
>>>> 
>>>> Donna-Marie
>>>> In BC, Canada
>>> 
>>> Carol Elkins
>>> Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
>>> (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
>>> Pueblo, Colorado
>>> http://www.critterhaven.biz
>>> 
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