[Blackbelly] Looking for .....
I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
am in north east mo. I have some from a gold medal ram. Nancy Quoting Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Fading lamb
Thanks Carol. I have a few extra things to add for consideration. I know that I won't have a definitive answer but I want to throw some of this out there. This is the first time I've ever castrated. I have a very small flock - five ewes. I have grown tired of separating the ram lambs from the ewe lambs as my fenced areas are smaller than I'd like. I like seeing them all run together so I thought I'd castrate. Next time I won't castrate so young. The other fellas were a week old and strong, this guy was still little. The night before castration I was awakened by the sound of very close by foxes. I have livestock guardian dogs. One female is just under two and pretty solid but still immature. I haven't kept her in with the sheep at night, only once in awhile. So at 4:00 am I got up to check the sheep. The foxes were close and the dogs were barking. I put my dog in with the sheep. We have lots of snow here that is now hard and crusty and the animals can run on top of it to get around leaving my flock vulnerable. That morning was when I noticed the nick on the ram's head. Now I'm all worried that it was my dog who did this. But if the ram had neurological issues from a snap from the dog wouldn't they have manifested themselves right away? I have a hard time believing she did this as she will carefully lay among the sheep during the days while supervised. However, how does a two day old lamb get a nick? This leads me to my next point...don't castrate unless the lamb is 100%. He appeared fine that day but why stress him out with another procedure? Last thing to consider. This first time ewe has four nipples instead of two. Normally you'd probably not keep that but I liked her conformation and her lines throw some nice lambs. She's really skittish but I managed to express milk from two on the same side so I know her plumbing is working. If she is a little different - could that impact her lambs? I can't change what happened but for my remaining two ewes who have to deliver I will ensure that they have their own space to lamb and be apart from the rest of the flock as to avoid unfortunate accidents. Thanks for your input. Natasha British Columbia, Canada Sent from my iPad Do not beat yourself up; simply learn. The only thing that occurred to me from reading your email is wondering if perhaps it might be unnecessary to castrate your ram lambs. That would reduce the amount of trauma that they have to go through, especially so soon after birth. It never gets easier. Don't let anyone tell you that it does. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Fading lamb
I do have one mom with triplets who has been a little pushier than I'd like. When I found the lamb he was curled up against the hay feeding station. Those greedy moms could easily have squashed him. I need to pick axe open a frozen gate that will separate the flock. My next two ewes to go will be in that safe area away from the older lambs and less tolerant mothers. I don't think this lamb was over fed. His mother, for a first time mother, has been very good and attentive. I will keep my next set of lambs separate until they are stronger as you suggest. Thanks for your input, Cecil. Natasha British Columbia, Canada Sent from my iPad The only time I have had lambs cry out in pain is when they had enterotoxemia from over feeding. I would never elastrate a lamb before 4 months old. It is possible that you little one tried to nurse another mother and was shoved into the barn, ground, etc. I have seen other mothers being exceptionally mean when the wrong lamb tried to nurse. These mothers usually found another home if they were unnecessarily aggressive. I would always keep my lambs in a pen with their mother for 4 to 5 days before turning them out with the flock. This way they were bonded and did not try to nurse the wrong one... ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
Jann, Where are you located. We would be interested in a swap. Mike On 4/4/2014 9:39 AM, Jann Bach wrote: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
I'm in Fountain, Colorado. Just south of Colorado Springs. You can email me at jannba...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Mike Hummel m...@soggytopfarm.com wrote: Jann, Where are you located. We would be interested in a swap. Mike On 4/4/2014 9:39 AM, Jann Bach wrote: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Fading lamb/actually castrating
I just kind of jumped into this today. Regarding castrating lambs. I, like Natasha, do not like to have to separate my male from female lambs. If the ram lambs are not RR or good enough to be breeders, I get them castrated. I have my vet do it. She recommends that they be castrated between 3-7 days, as it is less painful for them. There was a study done on cattle, somewhere I guess, regarding this issue. She will not band the lamb, if the mother has not received CDT within a month of birth. She recommends cutting instead, if not vaccinated. The banding leads to rotting off of the necrotic(dead no blood supply) testicles, and could lead to infection. And enterotoxemia. I bring the lambs to her and she only charges me $2 per lamb to castrate by cutting. She also gives them a nerve block prior(shot). I have not had any trouble with the lambs. We banded one lamb once, and he was uncomfortable for awhile, and my husband said if he had to be castrated, he would want it quick and not have to wait for them to rot off. Just my take on castration. Oh, I always vaccinate my ewes prior to breeding and 1 month prior to lambing. For the tetanus. Tetanus is a bacteria in the soil, and all animals are susceptible to this is they get a cut or what ever. I know that most of you advertise no vaccinations, but that is why I do it. Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- meadowskuv...@gmail.com wrote: From: R. Natasha Baronas meadowskuv...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Fading lamb Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 07:24:59 -0700 Thanks Carol. I have a few extra things to add for consideration. I know that I won't have a definitive answer but I want to throw some of this out there. This is the first time I've ever castrated. I have a very small flock - five ewes. I have grown tired of separating the ram lambs from the ewe lambs as my fenced areas are smaller than I'd like. I like seeing them all run together so I thought I'd castrate. Next time I won't castrate so young. The other fellas were a week old and strong, this guy was still little. The night before castration I was awakened by the sound of very close by foxes. I have livestock guardian dogs. One female is just under two and pretty solid but still immature. I haven't kept her in with the sheep at night, only once in awhile. So at 4:00 am I got up to check the sheep. The foxes were close and the dogs were barking. I put my dog in with the sheep. We have lots of snow here that is now hard and crusty and the animals can run on top of it to get around leaving my flock vulnerable. That morning was when I noticed the nick on the ram's head. Now I'm all worried that it was my dog who did this. But if the ram had neurological issues from a snap from the dog wouldn't they have manifested themselves right away? I have a hard time believing she did this as she will carefully lay among the sheep during the days while supervised. However, how does a two day old lamb get a nick? This leads me to my next point...don't castrate unless the lamb is 100%. He appeared fine that day but why stress him out with another procedure? Last thing to consider. This first time ewe has four nipples instead of two. Normally you'd probably not keep that but I liked her conformation and her lines throw some nice lambs. She's really skittish but I managed to express milk from two on the same side so I know her plumbing is working. If she is a little different - could that impact her lambs? I can't change what happened but for my remaining two ewes who have to deliver I will ensure that they have their own space to lamb and be apart from the rest of the flock as to avoid unfortunate accidents. Thanks for your input. Natasha British Columbia, Canada Sent from my iPad Do not beat yourself up; simply learn. The only thing that occurred to me from reading your email is wondering if perhaps it might be unnecessary to castrate your ram lambs. That would reduce the amount of trauma that they have to go through, especially so soon after birth. It never gets easier. Don't let anyone tell you that it does. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
