[Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas

2014-05-10 Thread Elizabeth Radi
Not a fencing idea, just a story.  We have lived in Colorado for 5 years now.  
We raise  sheep and dairy goats.  In the fall, the antelope congregate in our 
back property for breeding season.
A few come back in the spring and have their babies a couple hundred feet 
outside our fence.  They pay no mind to the LGDs that we have. And when the 
young coyotes are in training, they are very vocal,  the dogs bark allot. Well 
anyway, back to the antelope.
 I commented to a local rancher about the crazy antelope having their babies 
here with our dogs barking at times.  He told me that the antelope are using 
the dogs as a warning when danger is near.The light bulb went on for me 
then and there.  They feel safe by the dogs.
  
We have two LGD's, not counting my little weenie dog.  They watch each others 
back.  The Great pyr is the guardian and stays with the sheep at night, while 
his pyr/Anatolian partner is in the  search and destroy mode at night.  

Liz Radi
Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep
Nunn, Colorado
970-716-7218
idaralpaca.blogspot.com


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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas

2014-05-10 Thread Michael Smith
starting to look into LGDs locally. I'll try googling on the subject
regarding the dogs themselves, but there are some AB-BB questions
related to dogs I'd like to ask:

male or female dog? does it matter?
at what weight/age are the AB-BB lambs, that they are less likely to
get played with and accidentally killed?
at what age are the dogs when they are less likely to accidentally
kill a AB-BB lamb?

since we only breed once a year--in this case, once in 3 years-- and
only two or three ewes at a time, we don't have a bunch of spare lambs
around to spend allowing a puppy to figure things out.

-Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies



On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is all great feedback on the LGDs thanks, folks. Mark I am sorry I am 
 not closer. Would love to buy a pup. Here they cost about $500. (Not sure how 
 much you get, though;-P

 Carol your minimalist barkers sound like my Aussie Sheila. She's fine in my 
 book. What she does not do is just go on a 1-hour 2am lonesome barking jag 
 that does not stop. I would not be able to deal with that, even with 
 earplugs, which I do use. For her, there's always at least a reason in her 
 mind to bark.  Sometimes she joins in on the local dog chorus of full moon 
 baying and if I don't like it I let her know and she's pretty good about 
 stopping.

 When I saw her growl and chase away that full grown coyote the second night, 
 I realized what a fool I had been to take her to the next pasture while two 
 perfectly safe ewes, in a closed paddock, had lambs. Why I was so concerned 
 about their stress levels is beyond me. Now I know the reason the last 
 attackers last year never came back was soley because of Sheila being in 
 there all last year. Not a bad use for an untrained herder.

 -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 9, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz wrote:

 Michael,

 Most LGDs believe that a good offense is the best defense and will network 
 with the entire neighborhood to keep current on the state of affairs. 
 Networking in this sense is barking. And LGDs need to bark long before there 
 is a problem to ensure that whatever is out there doesn't become a problem. 
 In my experience, there are over-barky LGDs, but I have found that my 
 minimalist LGDs still bark at things that I don't perceive as problems. Like 
 you, my farm was victim to a combined cougar/coyote attack that killed and 
 consumed 5 90-lb lambs. I lived under siege until I could purchase my LGDs. 
 They were 6 months old when they arrived (they don't become adults until 
 they are 2 years old), but they had their adult bark. That bark is what I 
 have relied on ever since they arrived in 2008 to keep my farm safe. Yes, it 
 can be really annoying at times (full moons are particularly problematic), 
 but I have ear plugs.

 Carol


 At 03:50 PM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
 Sheila is a good dog in that she only barks when there's really a
 problem. Living only 30-40 feet from the house, that is important to
 us.  I'd like to at least try to get the pup to learn from that
 example.

 Carol Elkins
 Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
 (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
 Pueblo, Colorado
 http://www.critterhaven.biz

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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas

2014-05-10 Thread Mark Wintermute



Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas

starting to look into LGDs locally. I'll try googling on the subject
regarding the dogs themselves, but there are some AB-BB questions related to
dogs I'd like to ask:

male or female dog? does it matter?
at what weight/age are the AB-BB lambs, that they are less likely to get
played with and accidentally killed?
at what age are the dogs when they are less likely to accidentally kill a
AB-BB lamb?

since we only breed once a year--in this case, once in 3 years-- and only
two or three ewes at a time, we don't have a bunch of spare lambs around to
spend allowing a puppy to figure things out.

-Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies




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