Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas
IMO you are always best with a puppy especially if you already have a guardian to help teach the pup its job. Jann Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote: This feedback is all very interesting. We went to go look at a litter of 75% Pyrenees and some percentage of Anatoli (dad was some form of mix, but mostly Anatoli) . My first exposure to LGDs. I liked the Pyrenees mom quite a bit. She was great. Loved her barking at raptors. Very keen on her surroundings. I do have a strange situation to try to dovetail a new dog into : my Aussie shepherd that has been trained to not herd, but to protect. She's actually quite good at it. So, question is, what dog do I put her in with: 8-week old LGD puppy? Or a mature LGD to try to mix in with her? Worried that the mature dog will not be bonded or won't bond with my animals. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies Sent from my iPad On May 11, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Elizabeth Radi lizr...@skybeam.com wrote: Michael. we have a male and a female team. The female is spayed, and the male is whole, but he is not used for breeding, although many have asked to use him. We got him at 8 months old, and he would not go into buildings or vehicles, that is why he was not neutered. He was raised with alpacas, and his parents showed him the ropes, they were good dogs. These LGD mature around 2 years old. I would not trust them with babies until after that time. And they know what they are supposed to do. Just because a LGD is a guardian breed, does not mean that it will be a good guard dog. Just like, a female has a uterus, does not mean she will automatically be a good mother. Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- winterm...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Mark Wintermute winterm...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 15:56:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas starting to look into LGDs locally. I'll try googling on the subject regarding the dogs themselves, but there are some AB-BB questions related to dogs I'd like to ask: male or female dog? does it matter? at what weight/age are the AB-BB lambs, that they are less likely to get played with and accidentally killed? at what age are the dogs when they are less likely to accidentally kill a AB-BB lamb? since we only breed once a year--in this case, once in 3 years-- and only two or three ewes at a time, we don't have a bunch of spare lambs around to spend allowing a puppy to figure things out. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas
Yes, I just cut a slit in the pipe lengthwise and slid it over the top rail or the top of the wire mesh fence. It works even better if you can suspend it just above the fence top where it can roll, but you have to make sure it can't be pushed up and the animal climb underneath it. Best Wishes, Jann Mountain Ridge Ranch and KayaKyi Kennels American Blackbelly Sheep Tibetan Mastiffs PBGVs and GBGVs mrr.mysite.com https://www.facebook.com/KayakyiPBGVsAndGBGVs AKC Breeder of Merit -Original Message- From: elaine_wilson elaine_wil...@earthlink.net To: Blackbelly Newsletter blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info; mtnrdgrnch mtnrdgr...@aol.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Anti coyote fence ideas Hi Jann, Yes, would love for you to further elaborate on the 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Did you just cut a slit in one side and just slide it over the top horizontal? Did you do anything to secure it further? Elaine Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:21:47 -0600 From: Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Message-ID: 39787586-218a-4c26-b081-857d77bc6...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I put a 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Makes it nearly impossible to scale as they have no traction to grab the top of the fence. I can further elaborate if anyone is interested. Jann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas
(re-senmding this message. Carol was not sure if it went through) Ah, the roller fence. I saw some examples of this as well..definitely effective on domestics dogs, would be interesting to see if it actually works on coyotes. http://www.coyoteroller.com Looks very interesting and less ugly than the angled prison fencing I have been I thinking about. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/2008-08-01_No_Tresspassing_sign_at_RDU.jpg -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM, elaine_wil...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jann, Yes, would love for you to further elaborate on the 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Did you just cut a slit in one side and just slide it over the top horizontal? Did you do anything to secure it further? Elaine Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:21:47 -0600 From: Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Message-ID: 39787586-218a-4c26-b081-857d77bc6...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I put a 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Makes it nearly impossible to scale as they have no traction to grab the top of the fence. I can further elaborate if anyone is interested. Jann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas
Hi All, I have also heard that Llamas and burros make great flock guards. I luckily dont have any problems here in the desert, but if I did, I'd go with LGDs. Brenda Negri out of Winnemucca, NV breeds and raises some great LGDs. I have stopped by her place and talked with her. She raises her dogs in a social setting with sheep, miniature cows, and her other dogs. She would be a great source for dogs that would be stout enough for even the bigger coyotes in the east. Her website is: http://lgdnevada.com/ Steve www.ninemilesheep.com On 5/11/2014 6:00 AM, Elizabeth Radi wrote: Michael. we have a male and a female team. The female is spayed, and the male is whole, but he is not used for breeding, although many have asked to use him. We got him at 8 months old, and he would not go into buildings or vehicles, that is why he was not neutered. He was raised with alpacas, and his parents showed him the ropes, they were good dogs. These LGD mature around 2 years old. I would not trust them with babies until after that time. And they know what they are supposed to do. Just because a LGD is a guardian breed, does not mean that it will be a good guard dog. Just like, a female has a uterus, does not mean she will automatically be a good mother. Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- winterm...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Mark Wintermute winterm...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 15:56:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas starting to look into LGDs locally. I'll try googling on the subject regarding the dogs themselves, but there are some AB-BB questions related to dogs I'd like to ask: male or female dog? does it matter? at what weight/age are the AB-BB lambs, that they are less likely to get played with and accidentally killed? at what age are the dogs when they are less likely to accidentally kill a AB-BB lamb? since we only breed once a year--in this case, once in 3 years-- and only two or three ewes at a time, we don't have a bunch of spare lambs around to spend allowing a puppy to figure things out. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas
I saw a picture of this on facebook. But it was made with pvc. Would probably be more cost effective. Anyway, I put it on my fb page. under Liz Whalen Radi Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 10:13:50 -0700 (re-senmding this message. Carol was not sure if it went through) Ah, the roller fence. I saw some examples of this as well..definitely effective on domestics dogs, would be interesting to see if it actually works on coyotes. http://www.coyoteroller.com Looks very interesting and less ugly than the angled prison fencing I have been I thinking about. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/2008-08-01_No_Tresspassing_sign_at_RDU.jpg -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM, elaine_wil...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jann, Yes, would love for you to further elaborate on the 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Did you just cut a slit in one side and just slide it over the top horizontal? Did you do anything to secure it further? Elaine Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:21:47 -0600 From: Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Message-ID: 39787586-218a-4c26-b081-857d77bc6...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I put a 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Makes it nearly impossible to scale as they have no traction to grab the top of the fence. I can further elaborate if anyone is interested. Jann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas
here's the really good home-spun solution I was thinking about. Two sizes of PVC pipe, and some strong wire. They don't show this, but I was thinking, you could maybe even attach bells or noise-makers to it. Coyote rolls it, makes alarm noise, dogs alerted. http://www.huskycamp.com/security.htm The only thing to consider is: PVC is meant to be installed under ground and does not do all that well with UV rays. It would take years, but eventually need replacing. http://www.jmeagle.com/pdfs/Technical%20Bulletins/TB10SunlightEffectsonPVC.pdf -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Elizabeth Radi lizr...@skybeam.com wrote: I saw a picture of this on facebook. But it was made with pvc. Would probably be more cost effective. Anyway, I put it on my fb page. under Liz Whalen Radi Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 10:13:50 -0700 (re-senmding this message. Carol was not sure if it went through) Ah, the roller fence. I saw some examples of this as well..definitely effective on domestics dogs, would be interesting to see if it actually works on coyotes. http://www.coyoteroller.com Looks very interesting and less ugly than the angled prison fencing I have been I thinking about. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/2008-08-01_No_Tresspassing_sign_at_RDU.jpg -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM, elaine_wil...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jann, Yes, would love for you to further elaborate on the 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Did you just cut a slit in one side and just slide it over the top horizontal? Did you do anything to secure it further? Elaine Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 12:21:47 -0600 From: Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Anti coyote fence ideas Message-ID: 39787586-218a-4c26-b081-857d77bc6...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I put a 4 pvc pipe on the top of the fence. Makes it nearly impossible to scale as they have no traction to grab the top of the fence. I can further elaborate if anyone is interested. Jann --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
