Re: [blackbelly] New Photo Album
great pics Barb, nice rams. I might have to put a tire swing in with my ram. Dave Ohio - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: [blackbelly] New Photo Album I've started a PictureTrail album online for the sheep, and I have uploaded a couple of funny ones that might amuse folks. They can be seen at http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid6650228 Regards, Barb Lee ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] constipated lamb
a syringe with warm water and a well lubed tube also works well, infant suppositories might work also, I'm not sure if their safe for lambs, just a thought. Worked great on my kids when they were babies. *L* Dave - Original Message - From: JULIE RIHA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] constipated lamb He is peeing. Have had him away from mom since Friday night. Had him in a pen on patio at first. He was in a dog crate in the house till this morning. It was bitter cold out till this morning, warming up a little now. Had a diaper on him yesterday, had only a couple of pellets in it from all day. Nothing since yesterday. He nibbled on some alfalfa hay yesterday. The day I took him away from mom he was nibbling on the cob I gave her so I could get ahold of her. He took the bottle last night without a fight, just drank it down. This morning just sniffed the nipple and walked away. Didn't know if I should force it on him if he is not interested or if there is something wrong. Julie Riha [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Fw: Dispersal Sale
Barb, I wish you were a lot closer to Ohio. Dave - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Dispersal Sale About 20 head registered/registerable American Blackbellies. Rams, ewes, lambs, wethers. Mostly young stock. All or nothing, $200. Located in Oregon City, OR Contact Barb, 503-631-2862 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Hair Sheep Classified
This is a new group for people that have hair sheep and would like to sell or place wanted ads. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hairsheepclassified/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Breed Crossing
Nancy, by the pic on your web site, does copperhead have the hair coat? Dave - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Breed Crossing We were just wondering if anyone had ever crossed a Jacob 4 horn sheep with a Black Belly? If so what did you get? We were thinking about doing this but were wondering if anyone else had experimented either on purpose or by accident. Thanks ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial
that was pretty good carol thanks dave - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial Did any of you catch the American Blackbelly in the Budweiser commercial during the 2006 Superbowl? In cased you missed it, have a look here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6405149872126763049 You may need to replay it a couple of times...look just before the streaker wiggles her butt. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] deworming
thanks Carol, you are a wealth of knowledge. and thank you for reminding me of how I want a strong flock of blackbellies. Dave - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: [blackbelly] deworming Hi David, Your question prompts me to reiterate what has become over the years my regular lecture on parasite management. These comments are not directed at you, but more to folks new to sheep and new to the Blackbelly listserv. Blackbelly sheep are much more tolerant of a parasite load than other breeds of sheep. So my first rule of thumb is know thy parasites. Take regular stool samples from your flock and either have your vet do a fecal egg count or learn to do your own. If your sheep have worms, don't necessarily run out and buy dewormer. Depending on the type of worm, blackbellies can withstand the parasite load. The most common worm is Haemonchus Contortus , and a good measure of how your sheep tolerate this worm is to do the Famacha eyelid test. It identifies the level of anemia by comparing the color of the eyelid and comparing it to a chart. You can learn a lot about this test by searching the Internet; a good place to start is http://www.ansc.purdue.edu/meatgoat/FAMACHA.htm For years my vet (a woolie guy) has told me I have a massive worm load in my sheep. (To a woolie shepherd, the only acceptable worm count is zero, yet that is never possible in sheep.) My sheep show no debilitating effects of worms and their eyelids are a healthy dark pink. I have never dewormed my sheep in the 9 years I've had them. I live in Colorado, a cold-winter, arid state that is much less hospitable to worms. If I listened to my vet, I'd be pumping my sheep full of chemicals every other month. So you need to learn what to look for. Each worm has a different set of debilitating symptoms, and your specific geographic region will determine what kind of worms thrive in your area. Am I suggesting that you shouldn't deworm your sheep? No. But by thoughtlessly deworming to prevent something you haven't adequately identified, you increase the likelihood of developing tolerance to dewormers in whatever worm population you might have. And more importantly, you contribute to the overall decrease in worm tolerance that we are seeing in blackbelly sheep. By artificially selecting for sheep who cannot live without deworming medications, you contribute sheep to the gene pool who lack the parasite tolerance that make blackbelly sheep so popular in the first place. Use of more organic deworming methods is certainly a good place to start (and I'm glad you're looking into it.). There are no scientifically conducted studies indicating that vinegar, diatomaceous earth, or Shaklee's Basic H detergent have any effect as dewormers, yet I've read many anecdotal reports from list members who say the opposite. Careful pasture rotation is one of the best methods to control parasite counts. Cedar seems to have a natural deworming effect as well. To sum up, the old adage don't try to fix it if it ain't broke applies well here. Every time someone asks me about dewormers, I ask them how do they know they have a worm problem. Almost everyone says they read in a book that they need to deworm their sheep, or that their vet told them to. They haven't taken a fecal egg count; they don't know what kind of worms they have; when they do identify the worms, they don't necessarily report any debilitating effects in the sheep. Simply having worms seems enough to cause them to run to the dewormer bottle. I'm glad these folks are reading books and talking to their vet. So many people don't. But I have a problem with the idea that the only way to practice good sheep husbandry is to routinely deworm. Should you let your sheep die from a worm load? Only you can answer that question. To some, this is a natural death that lets Nature select the hardiest animals to contribute to the gene pool. To others, this seems cruel. One doesn't necessarily need to let an animal suffer from the effects of worms; you can slaughter the animal or otherwise cull it from your flock. But I strongly suggest you prevent these susceptible animals from continuing to produce more susceptible animals that will, eventually, destroy the breeds' reputation for being parasite tolerant. Carol At 06:41 PM 2/9/2006 -0500, you wrote: thanks carol, all the ones i could find used it as a drench. what are your thought on chemical vs natural? i know sometimes chemical is needed, and not against it, just thinking of going a little more organic. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] cider vinegar?
thanks carol, all the ones i could find used it as a drench. what are your thought on chemical vs natural? i know sometimes chemical is needed, and not against it, just thinking of going a little more organic. thank you for your help david - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] cider vinegar? Hi David, There have been several fairly lively discussions about this in the past year or so. You might want to check the listserv's archives at http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/private.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.inf o/ It requires you to enter your password, which is provided to you in an email every month. There is a less up-to-date archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info%40lists.blackbel lysheep.info/maillist.html that does not require a password. Carol At 06:01 PM 2/9/2006 -0500, you wrote: does anyone add cider vinegar to their water to help control parasites? and if so how much and how often. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
I'm so new to sheep that I can't answer this, but a c-section is what I think of. As long as they are ready to be born. Nancy and Tom had a c-section not that long ago with good results and might be able to help. I wish you the best of luck and hope it turns out well for you. - Original Message - From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!! OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question
If a horned ewe and a horned ram produce a ewe lamb, is the odds much greater the ewe lamb will have horns? just wondering David Kellough - Original Message - From: hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question In beef and sheep, there are bulls and rams which are dominate polled.'You can use them on what ever kind of horned ewe or cow and never any horn for many generation. I work horned cows, up to 60 and use polled bulls, never one horn to see if selected. Same for SA ram import, on what ever Barbados or horned ewe I use, offspring polled. Because for many years and with big number of livestock, the selected.The genetics are clean and that kind of genetics is so powerful, that the horns are matched out. But in US hair sheep Dorper or what ever, the genepool is way too small. And instead to select first for healthy and strong animals, the genepool get cut down by funny regulations. Regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question Terry, the reason you can't find the genetic research is because it doesn't exist. I've talked to several sheep geneticists the past couple of years and learned that horn genetics are simply not understood and are not being well researched because there is no funding to do so. Therefore, it is our responsibility as breeders to keep excellent records, develop our own hypotheses, and test them as carefully as possible. The conclusions we derive will, in the absence of academic research, hopefully provide information that will be useful to others. Carol At 01:41 PM 1/14/2006 -0800, you wrote: It is stated that if a polled ewe has a horned sire, she is considered American Blackbelly. the question is this-- if the MATERNAL GRANDSIRE is horned, ( the sire is polled) what are the chances of passing that along? Some people would call it generation skipping I am thinking more along the lines-- are horn genetics like hemophilia? Passed through females only, so they can be passed on and not show for several breedings? or must a doubling up occur? I am not finding the kind of genetic research I am looking for on this!!! Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] blackbelly figurine orniment
does anyone know where I might be able to find a blackbelly figurine and/or ornament? thanks Dave ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
