Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw
Well I never would have thought of that. I keep benedryl for the dogs. Will try that. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dayna Denmark Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 4:24 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw Oneta, I had exactly the same situation last year. Young lamb with one side of her face swollen. Cecil suggested it might be a sting from a yellowjacket and said to give the lamb benadryl. I gave the lamb 1 tablet. The swelling was gone by the next day. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] lambs for sale.
If interested please contact me on my home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I currently have a few yearlings and several lamb. All horn genetics. Barbados and Mix's. Priced 50.00 to 100.00. Contact for more details. Oneta Johnson McLoud, OK Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
My sheep run with the horses. I have more problems with my ram harassing the horses than vise versa. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses I had a 4 yr old QH mare with my sheep and she injured 3 ewes, chased one down and caused her to go into labor during one of the coldest nights we had this winter, she did not survive. Then this mare bit the top of the head out of a lamb and ate it.It is only by the grace of God and my gun not being handy that I did not kill this mare on sight.I still have her if anyone is interested in a sheep killer. Before this I had a Morgan Mare and Gelding with the sheep all the time and never had any problems with them or dogs or coyotes. My Morgan Mare is gone now, but the Gelding is still here I had 2 donkeys with the sheep but they killed 2 lambs by stomping them. It depends on the horse. All horses are crazy, some more than others. Cecil in OKla Christine Handley wrote: I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was wonderful, the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks would pasture with her and they would rub on her. Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay with them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders. So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them. I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd animals. Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of different. So far I have found that they have quirky personalities. Chris in Ontario. - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] postings[MESSAGE NOT SCANNED]
If you ever need help with stolen horses, sheep, etc let me know. Would be more than happy to post to my frineds. My home email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] as it has been noted we are not to post to the group unless is sheep related. Thanks oneta Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john judy Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:27 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] postings[MESSAGE NOT SCANNED] NOTHING WRONG WITH POSTING FOR SOMEONES STOLEN ANIMALS. I HAVE SHEEP, MINI HORSES AND BIG HORSES. I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE CARED ENOUGH TO POST FOR MINE IF THEY WERE STOLENJUDY - Original Message - From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] postings I believe stolen livestock is a relevant topic Oneta. I had two ewes stolen from my barnyard from lighted locked pens last year. And my dog was killed for apparently protecting my sheep. I am interested in how others deal with this situation. I am looking for another dog but it takes usually years (at least if it is a puppy) to get a dog that can handle serious threats and realize the sheep are his property! I had some people get upset when I refused to sell them some breeding ewes right before my ewes were stolen. I wish I had gotten their name and address now! Coyotes are easy compared to two legged varmints! Mark Wintermute I am sorry if I offended anyone on the list for posting about the stolen horse. Thanks. Oneta in OK ___ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] orphaned lambs
Wanted to let everyone know that the 2 lambs are doing great. They are fighting for the bottles now. They have been named Jerry and Dean. We are waiting for it to warm up enough they can play outside some. They are gaining wgt and play with food and hay. Thank you all for all your help and for the emails checking on them. This is a great group of people. Oneta in way to cold Oklahoma. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Help for puppies
Need help. We have 2 puppies that are in need of new homes or we will have to put them to sleep. They are great with kids, cats, other dogs, horses. Can not be around sheep/goats or other small livestock. KC will be a year old this month (February) and is ½ border collie and ½ red heeler. Would make a great pet or for anyone that does agility, she is a great prospect and loves to please. She could also be a good cadaver dog. Border collies usually do well in it. Wendy was a year old in December. She is a blue heeler mix. She loves kids and would be a wonderful pet. The problem is they are harassing the sheep and chased one of my ewes until she fell and broke her neck. They have never bothered the horses or their foals and get along with the barn cats and the older dogs. They have to stay in a small kennel and it is driving them crazy but I can not trust to let them run. They are both spayed and up on all shots. If anyone is interested or knows of anyone interested, please pass this along. I have spent a lot of time with these girls and can not stand putting them to sleep but that is the direction they are heading. Thanks to all. Oneta in Oklahoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 4052095493 cell. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] info on restraint
Has anyone purchased the Deck Chair from premier. Does it work better than other types of restraints. If I have to do much by myself I tie my guys up. Not the happiest of campers but it works. Would like something a little easier on us all. My ram hates to wear a halter. He thinks it is not manly enough. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] blackbelly lgd
Posting for a friend whose computer has died. Only 3 are left. Best of two breeds combined. Anatolian/Great Pyrenees born October 1, 2006. 2 males 1 female are left. Have great personalities and raised with horses. Asking 100.00. Call Sandra at 405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK. Pictures available. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs
OK. I feed alfalfa pellets w/whole corn. Would the pellets be ok for them to nibble on. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep
I am having all kinds of problems post an email for a friend that has some LDG puppies. I keep getting told it has a suspicious header. I have found if I do not reply on emails I can almost never get one posted. Is anyone else having this problem. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:12 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep Mary, thanks for the link. That would be a great price, but there is no photo of this sling available on Mid-States' Web site. Is your sling adjustable at all? Here is a link to one at Jeffers. How does Mid-States' sling differ from Jeffers' sling? http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2mscssid=1V25R1KE37 6G9G7U7NNHCT02QU79D0AC Carol At 09:18 AM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Carol, Mid-States Livestock Supply (out of Hutchinson, Kansas) has a very nice adult sheep weigh sling for just $16.00. I think their web site is www.midstateswoolgrowers.com or something like that. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] How to post messages to the list
OK. I have been sending plain text with no cc's etc. My msg I have been trying to post had this. *Subject: Blackbelly LGD *Msg was* . *Posting for a friend whose computer has died. *Only 3 are left. Best of two breeds combined. Anatolian/Great *Pyrenees born October 1, 2006. 2 males 1 female are left. Have *great personalities and raised with horses. Asking 100.00. Call *Sandra at 405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK. Pictures available. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! What was wrong that it was rejected. I have tried different things and have to rely on replies. As I said I do plain text. Only the bb email, no cc's, etc. Help. Ps I am sending like this in case someone else needs the info. If there is more I will send private. oj ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep liquidation
Cecil. Please put me on the list to contact when you are ready. I would only want one or two and that will depend on this crazy weather also. Watching the weather right now and it looks like your getting stuff. I am about an hour east so we are waiting and waiting. Been trying for almost 2 weeks to go get a load of my hay by Anadarko and it is not working with these roads. Stay safe. Oneta in OK Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:17 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep liquidation I will be selling about 50 head of my flock this spring. I just cannot keep up with the work it has taken to lamb 70 ewes in this $^%**# weather. I have raised all of them and they are not registered, but good healthy stock. If there are any problems ewes they will go to the sale barn or the freezer, not another list member. You all know I have taken excellent care of my sheep and I have taken pains to make sure they are sound animals. I just cannot keep up with them. Here is your chance to get some good stock. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] update on starving sheep
How can you miss all those dead sheep. They are everywhere in the pictures. Terrible. Why not take them to an auction and sell them if nothing else. I do not understand people like that. I hope when its his time to go he gets forgotten also. I will do without before my guys do. Oneta in OK Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:31 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] update on starving sheep Friday's issue of Tulsa World contained the following update about the starving Barbado. They have a link to photos and warn that the photos are very graphic. I don't have the courage to look at them. The article also includes a way to send contributions to the Craig County Sheriff Office to help with the costs of caring for the sheep. Here's the link to the online article (http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070119_Ne_A1_Owner1767). I've copied it below as well. Owner did not starve sheep, attorney says By ROD WALTON World Staff Writer 1/19/2007 Slideshow: Watch a slideshow of photos taken at the property. Editor's note: The images are graphic. www.tulsaworld.com/deadsheep VINITA -- The surviving sheep in a Bluejacket rancher's herd were eating and drinking Thursday, one day after investigators found them among dozens of carcasses of sheep that allegedly starved to death. The rancher's attorney, however, argued Thursday that David Bradley Bell did not starve his sheep and that his losses were not unexpected for a type of animal moved from south Texas in the last year. He strenuously refutes any allegation that he wasn't feeding the animals or not taking care of them, Vinita attorney Jot Hartley said. It's no advantage to Mr. Bell having a single animal die. He paid for those animals. Bell, 46, faces potential animal cruelty and neglect counts in Craig County, according to reports. He was jailed Wednesday and later released on $5,000 bail. Craig County Sheriff's deputies and state investigators who served a search warrant at one of his properties Wednesday made a gruesome discovery -- stacks of dead sheep in barns, on a porch and strewn across a pasture. Some carcasses were decomposed enough to have been dead several weeks, authorities said. This problem had been going on a long time, said local veterinarian Justin Roscoe. Our biggest concern now is we're taking care of the animals. The Barbado sheep were receiving hay and water Thursday, and many appeared to be eating fine, the veterinarian said. Other animals, however, had died since the Wednesday discovery. We're still trying to assess how many we have, Roscoe added. Craig County Assistant District Attorney Jim Ely said he could not file charges against Bell until the Sheriff Office's final report was sent his way. If charged and convicted of animal cruelty or other counts, Bell could be sentenced up to five years in prison and/or fined $5,000. It's going to take a while, Ely said of the criminal investigation. I'm anticipating filing charges. Bell was unavailable for comment. His attorney, however, noted that his client, who moved to the Bluejacket area from west Texas several years ago, was a highly respected rancher in the county. Hartley also defended Bell's care of the animals, arguing that the family had just fed the sheep that morning. Autopsies will show they had food in them, the defense attorney said. I challenge the authorities to do that. Should the case go to trial, Hartley added, he could call other ranchers who experienced similar death rates among their herds in the first year in a new climate. He noted that Bell had to deal with a 15-inch snow in December and the recent ice storm. I don't know if they'll lock up every sheep producer in Craig County, but if they put them under the same microscope as Mr. Bell, they may have a full jail, Hartley said. Undersheriff B.J. Floyd, however, noted that authorities received numerous complaints from Bell's neighbors about skinny cattle or sheep during the past year. They investigated several of the cattle complaints but found nothing to charge Bell with, he added. The neighbors later complained that Bell's sheep were trespassing over to their properties and eating their wheat fields, Floyd said. A month-long investigation culminated in Wednesday's visit to the farm. The undersheriff said he was as surprised as anyone about the discovery. He considers Bell a law-abiding citizen who is well-liked in much of the community. Investigators also served a search warrant Thursday at the property where Bell lives, just south of the previous site. The sheep found there were healthy, Floyd said. They're a good family, the undersheriff said. It's not like they are thugs. Yet seeing the dozens of carcasses is hard to grasp, he admitted. Even the vet commented
Re: [blackbelly] I made a website
Question: Can you also do a Horse Head as I also raise Horses. They are the reason we got into the BB's initally and now they are just as important at the barn. Thanks OJ in OK Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:42 PM To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] I made a website Since Mark has started something I figured I'd better do something about it. I hurried and made a website so you could see what I can do. I hope you will go visit and also sign my guest book while there. Thanks Mark! http://actiondesigns.4t.com Judy Akers [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] baily the sheep
For all those that have helped and prayed for our Baily boy. I can not believe how well he is doing. He is becoming his old snotty self. He has to see everything we are doing and help with everything. He really loves feed time. He is back to telling the foals he is the top dog, etc. His leg is looking great. He is slowly building meat back up on the hole he had but I do not know if it will ever grow hair, etc. His face is looking good. He has been rubbing of the scabs so that helps. He hates to be doctored and is getting very grumpy. Reminds me of a kid not wanting his meds. Boy can he kick. I want to thank again all those with your imput, etc. My med book for sheep is getting full, darnet, but I am learning from those who have gone before me and I am so grateful for all the help. Thanks Oneta in OK Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Great Pyrenees/Anatolian Puppies in OK.
Best of two breeds combined. Anatolian/Great Pyrenees born October 1, 2006. 2 males 2 females. Great for guarding /or family pet. Have great personalities. Raised with horses. Asking 100.00. Call Sandra at 405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK. Posting for friend as her computer is down. Oneta ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] butcher ram
I have a question. We are butchering our first lamb in February. Is it ok to leave him a ram or will it mess with the meat like it does on other animals. He will be about 13 months old and we have him in with everyone since they are pregnant so he is not by himself. Oneta Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey
Gave Bailey some banamine last night. He is actually putting some wgt and trying to walk on the bad leg this am. I have done the betadine/sugar on horses. May have to try it. Question for the Wintermute's. Thank you again for calling. Helped so much. How often can I give the banamine.Also, how long can we give the antibiotics. We try not to use either to much on horses so not sure for Bailey boy. Told my sister about the tape and she about died. Who would have thought. We have a sign at the barn that states All held together with bailing wire and duct tape, the redneck way. A friend gave me that after seeing all the tape and wire. Thank all for your help and info. Please keep it coming. Even if I can not use it for Bailey it may help someone else down the road. Oneta Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Hi Oneta, Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are up to the task of doctoring for a couple of months. Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. It basically is a steroid. Dexamethasone will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial treatment. Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant ewes so be careful. Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung development in fetuses. This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going to deliver prematurely. Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins the blood. Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss. Once it is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage. Keep the wound covered as much as possible. Don't let the lamb just lie around. Encourage the lamb to walk and lay upright (not on his side). My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing. Although the dogs overreacted the lamb had it coming. The lamb kept coming up to the dogs and butting them. The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they would get in trouble if they retaliated. But Good luck, Mark Wintermute ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
I have been trying to get this posted. I need some good ideas for our Bailey. He is our boy we have in the parades, etc and he is still up and trying this am. His backend is swollen but so far no infection that I can see. Pumping him full of antibiotics. All help appreciated. oj Well I have a problem. Our barn pups (border collie/heeler mixes) have decided that our wether bailey is their chew toy. They do not bother any other animal but him. I do not know if it is because he thinks he is a dog and will not fight or what. They tore a huge hunk (you can see his tendons, etc) off his rump and tore his face. We have him full of antibiotics and sprayed him with underwoods and put pickling lime on to stop the bleeding. If anyone knows underwoods it has been around forever and I have seen it work wonders. As of this am Bailey was still up and more aware of things. Very sore but did try and eat. I know he hurts. What can you give for pain or should I not and has anyone had to heal such a terrible wound. As long as he tries we will fight for him so we are needing some help. We have no sheep vets around here so we are on our own. All suggestions and prayers are appreciated. Bailey is our little bottle baby we kept in the house for several months and he has been in parades, the pet store, etc. He is our baby boy. Thank for your help. Oneta in OK. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:14 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Hanging Lamb Got some interesting rough statistics here. We just home butchered a 69 pound ram lamb. His hanging weight was 37 pounds, and hardly a scrap of fat on him typical of intact animals, I understand). So the hanging weight was approx. 54% of live weight. We decided to let him hang for 5 days in a muslin bag in our temp controlled freezer. We cut the carcass up and packaged it (GET a vacuum sealer - awesome!) yesterday. Weighed the packaged cuts at 24 lb. So trimmed and packaged yield from the 69 pound animal was about 35%. I weighed the bag of bones and trimmings and there was 5 pounds of waste, leaving 8 pounds evaporated off the carcass in the form of lost moisture over 5 days. That is 21% of the hanging weight!!! This is something to consider seriously with these lean, no-fat-cover animals. Fat cover is essential to holding the moisture in while aging. I doubt there will be any advantage to aging a blackbelly lamb anyway. We butchered a yearling wether last month and hung him overnight. Tastes marvellous. Something to seriously think about. Regards, Barb Lee Blacklocust Farm American Blackbelly Sheep http://www.blacklocustfarm.net ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey
OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it. What else would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we keep it for the horses. Thanks oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Hi Oneta, Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are up to the task of doctoring for a couple of months. Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. It basically is a steroid. Dexamethasone will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial treatment. Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant ewes so be careful. Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung development in fetuses. This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going to deliver prematurely. Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins the blood. Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss. Once it is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage. Keep the wound covered as much as possible. Don't let the lamb just lie around. Encourage the lamb to walk and lay upright (not on his side). My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing. Although the dogs overreacted the lamb had it coming. The lamb kept coming up to the dogs and butting them. The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they would get in trouble if they retaliated. But Good luck, Mark Wintermute ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey
OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:27 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Oneta, We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com. We get a lot of our supplies there. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it. What else would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we keep it for the horses. Thanks oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Hi Oneta, Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are up to the task of doctoring for a couple of months. Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. It basically is a steroid. Dexamethasone will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial treatment. Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant ewes so be careful. Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung development in fetuses. This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going to deliver prematurely. Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins the blood. Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss. Once it is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage. Keep the wound covered as much as possible. Don't let the lamb just lie around. Encourage the lamb to walk and lay upright (not on his side). My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing. Although the dogs overreacted the lamb had it coming. The lamb kept coming up to the dogs and butting them. The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they would get in trouble if they retaliated. But Good luck, Mark Wintermute ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey
Ok. So I am looking at the correct meds. Do I spray it on the wound like a tropical. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Use the injectable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:49 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:27 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Oneta, We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com. We get a lot of our supplies there. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it. What else would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we keep it for the horses. Thanks oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Hi Oneta, Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are up to the task of doctoring for a couple of months. Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. It basically is a steroid. Dexamethasone will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial treatment. Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant ewes so be careful. Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung development in fetuses. This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going to deliver prematurely. Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins the blood. Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss. Once it is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage. Keep the wound covered as much as possible. Don't let the lamb just lie around. Encourage the lamb to walk and lay upright (not on his side). My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing. Although the dogs overreacted the lamb had it coming. The lamb kept coming up to the dogs and butting them. The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they would get in trouble if they retaliated. But Good luck, Mark Wintermute ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey
4059648600 is my work. oneta Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:13 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Oneta, Send me ur phone number offlist. I will call you immediately. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:11 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Ok. So I am looking at the correct meds. Do I spray it on the wound like a tropical. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Use the injectable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:49 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:27 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Oneta, We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com. We get a lot of our supplies there. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Oneta Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it. What else would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we keep it for the horses. Thanks oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey Hi Oneta, Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are up to the task of doctoring for a couple of months. Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory pain relief. It basically is a steroid. Dexamethasone will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial treatment. Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant ewes so be careful. Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung development in fetuses. This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going to deliver prematurely. Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins the blood. Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss. Once it is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage. Keep the wound covered as much as possible. Don't let the lamb just lie around. Encourage the lamb to walk and lay upright (not on his side). My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing. Although the dogs overreacted the lamb had it coming. The lamb kept coming up to the dogs and butting them. The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they would get in trouble if they retaliated. But Good luck, Mark Wintermute ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http
Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name
Wow. Now I have a question. How old can I girls go and still have healthy babies. I have asked other sheep (non bb) people and they tell me they get rid of their ewes when they are between 7 to 9. If they can go that long I have some nice producing ewes I am hanging on to. They are 6 to 9. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:14 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name Carol: first let me say that I am not arguing with your response. Just an observation. I have some sheep that seem to have reverted to the Corsican gene.. What I noted was that the Corsican had a thicker head from the jaw to the nose bridge The Blackbelly has a slim and very pretty head in my opinion. The Corsican is not as pretty. I have one ewe that has had ewe lambs that look like Corsicans since she has become older. ( close to 20). This pprobably due to the rams I have had and not her problem... The pictures of Corsicans that I have seen have a larger head than Blackbellies. Just my $0.02. Cecil in OKla Carol Elkins wrote: Not a dumb question at all. Corsican is a name used to describe sheep having the American Blackbelly coloration and horns. When the Barbados Blackbelly was crossed with Mouflon and Rambouillet to add horns for trophy hunters (creating what we refer to now as the American Blackbelly, a game rancher by the name of Thompson Temple gave it the name Corsican and added it to first record book he created in 1976. He bestowed exotic names to several other color combinations such as Hawaiian Black, Texas Dall, and Painted Desert. You'll hear the term Corsican used primarily in Texas, but it is, for the most part, an American Blackbelly. Carol On 12/6/2006 10:30:09 AM, william bartlett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Time for a dumb question that has probably been ask before. What in the world is the differance between a blackbelly and a corsican. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] lamb processing
Yikes. I am getting mine butchered here in the McLoud area after the first of the year. I hope I do not have that problem. I think you did good as I would have had him by the b after the 2nd incident. I hate to be griped at when it is not my fault it is theirs. I would have a big problem going back to that processor also. Be sure and tell the OK Cop people about it. They may say something. You may not be the only one having this problem. Oj in McLoud, ok Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peg Haese KB9LIE Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:31 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] lamb processing Cecil, we are trying out Belmont Fresh Meats, about 10 miles away. They are getting one Katahdin wether this afternoon as a test. It's too far for you to go though. This 30-month-old wether has been put off several times (by us, not the processor). We finally decided it was time and scheduled him for AFTER deer season, which is a big deal around here. This one is for our own freezer, not for sale. After reading your posting, I can see why we've put this off so long! Peg Haese in cold SW Wisconsin USA --- Cecil Bearden wrote: I just thought I would let you all be amused, irritated, bemused, or whatever word or emotion you would like to use to describe the treatment I had from the processor I used for my lambs. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Lst chance to remain on the Listserv's Breeder Map
I do not see mine on the list but I am worried now. Keep me on. Thanks.Oneta Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:28 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Lst chance to remain on the Listserv's Breeder Map Last chance--if your email is listed below and you haven't yet contacted me, then your name will be removed from the Breeder Map on the Blackbelly Listserv home page (http://www.blackbellysheep.info/breeder/map.html). These email addresses are not current subscribers to the Listserv, and the map is a benefit of being a Listserv subscriber. I'm posting this second chance because I already started to delete names and was surprised at how many long-time list members will be removed. I'm hoping that some of you simply missed the previous email. So act now and click the Add Me to the Map! link at the top of the map to update your information. Carol Elkins Listserv Owner bucast1 at aol.com johnccarlton at bellsouth.net jDAHL03 at hotmail.com trkwife at c2i2.com hard_ika at hotmail.com Kreekrats at webtv.net bcushman at pobox.com llasser at quiknet.com dschoolers at aol.com cowpaddy at surf1.ws jhbrown at midwest.net ditybird at webtv.net joe_hollinger at tds.net joshua at tri-lakes.net gininmontana at earthlink.net burnskevin_ at hotmail.com soaringeaglefarm at excite.com C.R.Beam at att.net pjemmons at cox.net highhillfarm at aol.com cmiller1 at compworldnet.com heather.sharfeddin at timberline.com epec at deal-maker.com grannyof1 at cs.com millermania at earthnet.ws agbennet at telus.net teneniel_80 at yahoo.com kw at ibw.com.ni ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 186
OK. We are talking butchering. I am finally butchering our first. He will be a year old the end of the year and we will butcher in January. What is the best way to get it done. Hamburger, sausage, chops, what. I have only had cows butchered and you have so much more meat. I have 2 different places I am checking on. The one Cecil spoke of and one to the east of McLoud I was told about. I want good meat that we can enjoy but we are doing it for my dad who is a heart, Parkinson, etc, patient. What does the majority of the people do. Thanks. OJ Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Krach Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:36 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 186 In recent years I also have had a dozen or more hides tanned at Bucks County Fur Products in Quakertown, PA. They do a marvelous job and I've always been pleased. Rick Krach Auburn, California (530) 889-1488 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:02:41 -0600 From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning Cecill, I've had all my hides processed at Buck County Fur Products, Box 204, 220 1/2 N. Ambler Street, Quakertown, PA 18951 215-536-6614. Depending on the size of the sheep, it costs around $35 plus shipping. Carol Bonnie, many people use sheep that are several years old just for sausage. And when I had a three year old butchered, we mixed the meat with pork. From: Bonnie Wilkening [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] Taste and Butchering You have been talking about the taste of lamb --would there be a difference in a 3 yr old Ewe Barbado? Bonnie Wilkening Appleton MN Rick Krach ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Cuts of Lamb/Oneta
Ok. Another question. What should I expect wgt wise. He is about 100#'s now. What would I expect back on sheep. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:41 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Cuts of Lamb/Oneta Hi Oneta, You'll probably do a few before you decide which cuts you like the best! :o) We keep it simple. We have shoulder roasts made instead of cut into steaks. Steaks seem to have grain going every which way, with some streaks being very tough and some being very tender...seems a lot of connective tissue and bone runs through them and they are small enough to be more of a nuisance than anything. So we just have the shoulders made into roasts, which I like to cook in the slow cooker all day until they're falling off the bone. The Lamb Lover's Cookbook from the BBSAI has a rub for the meat that is as gourmet on a roast as anything I can imagine. The shoulder roasts seem to me to actually be the most flavorful cut, but I find they must be slow cooked with moist heat to be the best for our tastes. The other way I like to season them is with a package of McCormick Montreal Steak marinade. I just sprinkle it on the roast. It's very peppery. We have the ribs and loin cut into chops. Our very favorite thing on the planet is to grill the chops to medium done-ness on a hardwood fire, with nothing but salt and pepper, and eat them like chicken wings! :o) (neanderthals, I know!) Then roasts are cut from the rump and leg. I love to bone and roll the roasts and cook them in my little George Foreman rotisserie, or cut them into chunks and marinate them for shish-kabobs on the grill. We don't bother with shanks. Everything else is put into ground lamb, which is incredibly versatile! Sometimes we have part of it made into breakfast or Italian sausage, and when we do more home butchering I plan to try some sausage making. Can't get enough ground lamb! Whatever you decide, you are in for a treat! :o) Barb Lee. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning
Cecil: Where did you find a good place to take your guys. I am in McLoud and the closest I can find that will kill and process there is in Maud. I do not let them kill here as it bothers me, the kids, the dogs, horses, etc. We have had stuff killed here before and it took forever to calm everyone down. I had not thought about tanning the hide. I keep telling my dad he is getting the horns for his next birthday. Thanks. OJ Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:45 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning I have found a processing plant for my sheep and the labels for my cuts have been submitted for approval by the state board of Ag. I have scheduled processing for 12 lambs the friday before thanksgiving. I had to agree to take all the offal, hides and heads back to dispose of due to the BSE scare having changed everything. This is no big problem, however I remember someone discussing tanning of the hides. I would like to send these off for tanning. I really hate to just bury the hides when they are really pretty. I would do it myself, but I have not done that before. Anyone know where to have the hides tanned? Cecil in OK ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
If you get one, please pass along. I am sure there are several of us, including me, that could use the info. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:07 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear Thanks for the response. Does anyone have a copy of a lamb meat cut label. I need one for a pattern to design a label for my sheep. I have tried scanning one in that I got from the buffalo meat company, but the safety instructions won't come out cecil in Okla I had a German Shepard who had a severe swelling in his ear once. He had a problem with gnats/flies while he was at a kennel (for breeding services) They did not take care of him properly and when he came home he got to shaking his haed so much, even after we cleaned his ear, that he got a HEMATOMA. The tiny blood vessels in his ear broke and made a bloodclot in between the front and back layers of skin on his ear.Needless to say surgery was required and all came out ok. But something to check out. Another thig is, around here this year ticks have been burrowing under the skin on the horses, causing big bumps/ swellings, like they have been stung by hornets. Look closely...this is a bad year for ALL insects...everywhere...on All animals. Helen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Make me an Illegal Alien Please....
I got this from a horse friend. Thought is was funny enough to post with all the other government info we have been getting. Enjoy. Oneta The Honorable Paul S Sarbanes 309 Hart Office Building Washington DC 20510 Dear Senator Sarbanes, As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Immigration and Naturalization Service in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien, and they referred me to you. My reasons for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stem from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If My understanding of the bill's provisions is accurate,as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, what I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out. Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of the last five years of income taxes in return for paying a $2000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent return for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005 and I estimated a gross savings of approximately $72,000. After the fine this would yield me a net savings of $70,000. In addition, I would reap the other benefits of being an illegal alien such as free healthcare, avoidance of paying Social Security taxes, buying automobile insurance, and serving on jury panels, etc. If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance. Oneta and The Gang www.johnsonquarterhorses.com Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! __ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] We are IN the money literally!!!!
You are to funny. We get those things with the horses for sale all the
time. I even got a check and turned it into the police once. Never
found out what happened. Keep us posted. oj
Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
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Nancy Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:08 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] We are IN the money literally
My husband has informed me that he thinks our ship has just come in and
Its
about time. The emails reads as follows
.hello,I saw your ad on the {sheep} and it fits what I
have been searching for. I will be paying with money order or cashier
cheque
, get back to me with your final asking price so that i can proceed with
the
payment
Our Reply:
You misunderstood we sell sheep dung. It is $5 a pound how much do you
want?
His reply
Hello ,
i have seen
the price and
its ok by me
then i have
instructed my client in{usa} to issue the cashiers check or money
order to you.meanwhile i also instructed him to include $2950 on
the payment so you will be receiving a cheque of $3000 out of
which you will deduct your selling price with extra $50 for your
running around
and send the excess to my shipper.
.the funds will be used for the shipping of the {sheep dung for 10 which
is
$50} along side
3 other sheep i placed
order for in care of my shipper.i'll imploy you to wire the balance
via western union money transfer to my shipper as soon as you
RECEIVE the check.My SHIPPER will come for pick up on a specicified
date that will be convenient for you.i hope i can count on you for
my
balance I ALSO WANT THIS TO BE BASE ON TRUST
CAN I TRUST YOU?...
P.S i need ur contact info,such as name in full,adress,ur city ur
state ur zipcode ur phone#both cell and home.pls email me asap with
all details.
Our Reply:
Hello, I will need help to load. Does your client have rubber boots and
a
scoop shovel ? It is at its premium right now since it is still moist.
As
far as time it is best to do at night since the flies and gnats get bad
in
the day time. They can be swallowed if not careful and he could choke on
them and we do not want to be liable for this. It looks like everything
is
in order we will have to see a verification of insurance on your client
to
make sure it is okay. Oh ya make sure the shipper has non slip rubber
boots
because he could slip and break his leg if not careful. We also have
some
vintage seasoned sheep dung that could be bagged easily but not trying
to
pry but pea size dried sheep dung make good necklaces when strung with
needle and thread. If spray painted they make nice Christmas decorations
if
you believe in Christmas. Please get back with us on the insurance
verification soon because its getting really deep .
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By the way, if there is anyone in my area that is looking to add to
their
flock ##'s
I have several ewes , ewe lambs and a couple of ram lambs for sale
at
good
prices. All are healthy, and are horned genetics. I am located in
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Canada.
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Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
I have a web site for both my sheep and horses. I only get a few hits for the sheep. I am in OK. OJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Smith Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:48 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla May I ask whether you that are having a hard time selling sheep have a website. I have very little trouble selling sheep to even people in Idaho, Oklahoma, New York, Missouri, West Virgina, etc. I get the prices I want and I give discount prices on small flock purchases. I mention this website thing because I do 99% of my business from my website. I do not ever go to auction to sell sheep, don't have to. I can get $150.00 and more for ewes and $150.00 to $300.00 for my rams (more depending on age). Ram lambs and ewe lambs are $150.00 until they are 6 months old. I am not bragging, and please forgive me if it sounds that way, but I really believe that a website makes all the difference in the world with these sheep. I get calls and e-mails several times a month from people just wanting to know what a hair sheep is. www.nebraskasheep.com is a website where you can ad your farm free. I receive many e-mails from this site along with my own website. Just a thought I wanted to pass on. Sue Smith From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:53:18 -0500 You might want to check out www.Oklahomafood.coop I am going to try to market my lambs thru them. I gotta try something these were supposed to be my retirement... Cecil - Original Message - From: william bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla Cecil: I've been going thru the ups and downs of Oklahoma's market too. I'm on the border of Oklahoma and Arkansas, and take my sheep about 35 miles to market(Wistor OK) A couple of months ago I sold 3 rams, 2 a little over a year old and a younger one about 8 months old, two had trophy horns and the other had a good set, the two best rams brought $90. and the other a little less, then last weekend I sold 4 more and only got $52. apiece for them! It certainly is a shot it the dark taking them to the auction. The only good part is that it's a fairly small market, and not much difference is made between the sheep and goats. Another draw back is that they sell hogs first,(but it is quite entertaining to watch the young boys when that send in the wild hogs) Just as everyone has been telling you, I too should be advertising and selling out the front door, but it's hard finding time and dealing with folks. I have a co-worker that lives farther up north in Arkansas, that raises and sales Droper sheep. He sales his lambs for $100. each. Just goes out and tells the people which ones are for sale and they catch them, give him the money and away they go. That would be nice, BUT... I'm kind of in the same situation as you, we don't eat our sheep, as a matter of fact, my wife has a hard time selling the girls! so, I don't thing she would do too good with someone buying them to eat. So, I'm just going to keep on trying to break even (or a little less). P.S. I'm going tomorrow to buy Hay. THERE GOES THE PROFIT! Thanks for the encouragement, but I really do not have the heart or lack of it to butcher one of my lambs. I have the experience, the equipment and could make a walk in cooler our of an old airconditioner unit, I have done that for others. I can skin and butcher most any animal, but after bringing these guys into the world, I just can't take them out sign me gutless in Oklahoma - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla Cecil, I think you're hitting on a painful truth that is being recognized far and wide - that the small farmer, in order to survive, has to go direct to the consumer. Most farmers don't want to be marketers. But a lot of consumers out there are getting wise to the consequences of factory farming. They WANT to meet the farmer, to buy natural food, to be educated about the differences between factory raised and farm raised, and to get in touch with their food again. The person who has to buy it can never experience the almost holy experience of conjuring perfect food up from the earth, and raising it and ultimately eating it, but it
Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
I am glad I am not the only one who loves theses guys so much I feel guilty butchering them. We pick one. Ignore it as best as possible. (Don't Laugh) and then take it to the butcher and drop him off. They are not to do anything to it till I leave and just let me pick him up in those white packages. I have to drive father off to get a butcher that kills at the plant but I do not care. It would be emotional to me, the other sheep, the dogs and the horses to have them killed at the farm. OJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:06 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla Barb: Thanks for the encouragement, but I really do not have the heart or lack of it to butcher one of my lambs. I have the experience, the equipment and could make a walk in cooler our of an old airconditioner unit, I have done that for others. I can skin and butcher most any animal, but after bringing these guys into the world, I just can't take them out sign me gutless in Oklahoma - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla Cecil, I think you're hitting on a painful truth that is being recognized far and wide - that the small farmer, in order to survive, has to go direct to the consumer. Most farmers don't want to be marketers. But a lot of consumers out there are getting wise to the consequences of factory farming. They WANT to meet the farmer, to buy natural food, to be educated about the differences between factory raised and farm raised, and to get in touch with their food again. The person who has to buy it can never experience the almost holy experience of conjuring perfect food up from the earth, and raising it and ultimately eating it, but it doesn't take long to educate the palate to the difference between real food and adulterated. In our case, our bodies are beginning to reject anything that isn't raised on the farm, or isn't organic. We have to start with something that nobody else has, and we have that! Then we have to raise it so it is better than anything else - and I think Blackbelly can be better or WORSE than store-bought, depending on how it's raised - and then we have to get a leash on our independent spirits and go out and get our customers. There is a LOT written on farmer-to-consumer these days, it's becoming critical to survival of the small farm. It CAN be done. But we have to get off the farm to get people to come to the farm. This is going to be the worst part of all of it for me. That, and taking somebody's money from their hand, and not through the sale yard office. YOU need encourangement, my friend, and maybe start reading up on the experiences of other farmer-entrepreneurs. I can make some reading suggestions, and perhaps others can share some of their marketing expertise. I am scared to death too, but having had a promising experience this spring, I know my upscale market is out there, I know that certain people will say name your price if you give them a sample. They don't have to be health conscious, they can just be enthusiastic foodies. There is a whole new movement to eat locally - it is going to be as powerful as the organic movement. They say most of our food has travelled at least 1500 miles to arrive on our plates. That is not sustainable, it's not supporting the local community, and people are beginning to twig that agriculture - food - the staff of life - is slowly coming under the control of a few mega-corporations that don't care about raising food, they care about making a profit. Cecil, there are so many reasons to keep trying, and to reach out of this murderous commodities box and enter the farmer-to-consumer movement. YOU have so much skill, and so much to offer! Please, let's all start educating ourselves about these critical issues and stop trying to compete in the commodities markets! Our buyers are out there! We just ALL need to learn how to make the farm-fresh, exquisite, perfect food experience accessible to people who are - literally - dying for it!!! Kindest regards to you Cecil! Barb Lee - Proud to have had a Greek chef declare of my lamb, This is the SWEETEST lamb I have ever tasted! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
I am glad others leave their ram out. I only seperate my ewes for the first few days to let them and the babies have time together or if one just needs some alone time. One of my ewes just had twins, way off of my others. She wanted out of the pen and I let her. She had them behind the barn and is very happy being away. Most of my girls lamb the first of the year and in the fall. I let mother nature take its course. We feed alf/corn and grass hay and alfalfa and vit/min. They all seem to do well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nancy Richardson Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:48 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject) We leave our ram year round. The ewes only bread when they are able to. We have some that breed after the lamb is 4 weeks and some that don't breed until the lamb is 3 or 4 months old. It just depends on the ewe. All are fed hay/alfalfa mix some grain and mineral protein blocks year round so all are seemingly healthly. We have ram lambs for sale for breeders and a some ewes also. Nancy - Mossysprings Ranch ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing
What I have found so far. If you can do the cards you can do them yourself and save the vet charge. You just have to monitor what you are touching and get them mailed. If you do blood pull you have to use a purple tube and for me that is for a vet. I do not handle blood well. AS I find out more will post it. oj -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing I've managed to learn the magic words that will help us locate other labs to do non-jugular blood collection for scrapie testing. The words are FTA cards. A quick Google search taught me that alpaca breeders use these as a requirement to prove parentage for registering their alpacas. Then I learned that the cards used to collect the blood are called Whatman FTA cards and can be purchased from the major lab supply companies (Whatman, Fischer Scientific, etc.). But then I struck gold when I found the Web site for Genaissance (http://www.genaissance.com/products_services/scrapie.html). They do the testing, sell the cards, and also give you a discount if you purchase a specific card, even if you don't get it from them. All of the APHIS-approved scrapie testing labs (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/scrapie/app-labs-genotype-test.html#labs ) will do FTA cards, so the next step would be to work down the list and do some price comparison. When you talk to them, ask if they will do cotton swab samples and what surcharge, if any, they apply. Seems to me that a Q-tip is a heck of a lot cheaper than an FTA card, but not if a lab adds a $6.00 surcharge for the additional labor it costs them to process the sample. Let us know what you find out if any of you pursue this. I'd be very interested in finding a lab that will distinguish H and K alleles at Codon 171 in addition to the traditional R and Q. That K allele could turn out to be very important in blackbelly genetics, and if we're going to test our sheep, we might as well obtain as much information as possible from the test. My gut feeling is that it won't be sufficient to learn that a sheep is RR, QR, or QQ; our sheep may contribute to scrapie resistance at the K allele. Carol At 09:41 AM 5/25/2006 -0500, you wrote: The place noted here is no longer doing testing. Does anyone else have a good place to do theirs. I liked not having to do blood as vets are not to easy to track down that will pull blood. Thanks ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing
Well I think I may go that way. To bad they are not an approved lab. I have called 2 vets close by and no one will pull blood on sheep so this will be a great benefit. Thanks OJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peg Haese KB9LIE Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing Spider gene testing is basically for Suffolks and Suffolk crosses so don't worry about that with hair sheep. I use C.R. Biotech for scrapie DNA testing and have been very pleased. See their website: http://www.chiggerridge.net/ and select the Scrapie Genotyping button. No blood involved. You collect cell samples on a cotton swab from the inside corner of the eye and put it in a labelled snack-size baggie. They check all three codons for the same price and you get a certificate back. That's nice when selling breeding stock. I have no idea if they would negotiate on volume pricing. They are hair sheep breeders as well as a testing lab. Peg Haese in SW Wisconsin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags
I know I am 100% against what they are planning. They can LAW you to death and make sure people get out of the animal business. I keep good records on all my animals and pay enough for it now. I do not think I can afford anymore. oj -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RBMuller Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:00 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags I really don't know about other states but when the NAIS is implemented the scrapies tags probably won't be used. We will all have to buy a $2 tag per animal that has a chip in it so it can be read by a scanner. Apparently there will another system for flocks of birds and swine. My understanding on the horses is that they will have a rice size implant next to the mane. This will cost around $25.00 for each horse, mule, donkey. The vet here used to pay 25 cents for each animal health certificate. Texas Animal Health now charges $5 per certificate. There will always be more laws enacted by the suits that only know an office and have no idea where the food that they eat comes from!!! Extremely frustrating and just downright scary. Rhonda - Original Message - From: helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags I use the small brass ear tags I get from Jeffers and have never had any problem with them yet. As Carol says, they are small and fit the delicate little ears of our sheep just perfectly. Helen You wrote; I am ordering ear tags for the mandatory scrapie program administered in California and have a choice between metal tags that come in a box of 100 or plastic tag- wide style, come in box of 20. Does anyone know which would be better to use for American Blackbelly sheep? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags
I keep records set up like I keep on my horses. However I like some of the things on you flock record. Did you make it or did you purchase it. If so where. I like the genealogy and pic info. Oneta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:12 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags The small brass ear tags are best for lambs, but they are NOT a scrapie tag. This is an apples-and-oranges thing. I recommend the small brass tag as a way of identifying the lamb at birth. And that tag will never fall out when applied as a lamb. I have tagged adult ewes with the small brass tags and had a couple fall out. Their ears are so thick that the tag can't make it all the way through to connect to its clasp. The free tags that you get as part of the mandatory scrapie program vary by state. Like California, Colorado offers both the metal and the plastic tags. I tried the metal scrapie tags and they ripped the ears of even my adult ewes. That's when I switched to the Premier 2X tags. Also, see my Powerpoint slide show about tagging and recordkeeping at http://www.critterhaven.biz/info/articles/recordkeeping.htm It is a large file and may take awhile to download. Toward the end of the slides, you'll see a picture of where and how to apply both the brass and the scrapie tags. Carol At 10:22 PM 3/14/2006 -0600, you wrote: I use the small brass ear tags I get from Jeffers and have never had any problem with them yet. As Carol says, they are small and fit the delicate little ears of our sheep just perfectly. Helen You wrote; I am ordering ear tags for the mandatory scrapie program administered in California and have a choice between metal tags that come in a box of 100 or plastic tag- wide style, come in box of 20. Does anyone know which would be better to use for American Blackbelly sheep? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] blackbelly - NAIS
I have been sending the nais info out to all animal friends. They even had a write-up in the Quarter Horse Jrnl. This is an email I got from a friend. She does not think it is anything to worry about and I told her if she went to some of the meetings she just might be surprised. I did take her email off for safety/privacy reasons. It is amazing how much the govt does not want us to know. Big brother is watching. Oneta -Original Message- From: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:15 AM To: Johnson, Oneta Subject: Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 44 Oneta, From my understanding, this only to chip them when they are sold, and only if used for food consumption, being a Department of Agriculture employee, I talked to one of the guys several months ago. With the advent of Mad cow disease, and the bird flu, this seemed to be a logical choice. If you expect the government to take care of you, you have to make so consilation. Would you not be the first to complain if a family member contracted a deadly disease and it could have been prevented in this manner? Nina ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial
I loved it. I have not laughed that hard in a long time. oj -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:44 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial Did any of you catch the American Blackbelly in the Budweiser commercial during the 2006 Superbowl? In cased you missed it, have a look here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6405149872126763049 You may need to replay it a couple of times...look just before the streaker wiggles her butt. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS
I was gone yesterday and missed out on this debate. My dad is in his 70's and so is his wife. She keeps telling me that after all the (%$()_ we have gone through with the new Medicare drug system. (I do not care what the govt says it is a pain to figure out and not as good as what they had last year). She fears that the govt is going to start putting the elderly in homes where they are put down like an old animal. It is starting to sound more and more like Hitler times if you ask me. They start with little things and keep growing. Sheep first people next. Oneta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:40 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS Cecil, I fear this is much more dire than simply wanting more tax money. Our government has long been working outside the boundaries that we defined when we created it to be our SERVANT government via the Constitution and the BIll of Rights. The NAIS is one step closer to a total national ID system for people. Radio chips in all of us, implanted at birth just as we are now automatically assigned a national ID number (Social Security number). (Americans are now being told these are a great way to keep track of children and elderly adults with alzheimers.) By outsourcing the database to the Beef Association, it relinquishes responsibility for security or accountability. But all of that aside, what it means to simple Joes like you and me is that we will be paying for this. All Americans will pay for this. Shepherds will pay in labor and time, and costs of tagging and inconvenience. Americans will pay because we will need to pass these costs onto the market, so the price of meat in the food chain will rise. And we all will pay because we have relinquished one more aspect of our privacy and self-determination to the government. And, as Helmut said, most Americans already believe that government control and care are good things. We forget that we are the only nation in the entire world to have as a basis of our government a document that recognizes that humans are NOT subjects of their governments and that, in fact, our government is servant to US. The government is coloring so far outside the lines of our Constitution that I fear only another total revolution can regain the freedoms that we have already allowed our government to take from us. I'll stop now. It raises my blood pressure. Carol This is all just a guise to get more taxes. Livestock trading has long been a sore spot with the IRS folks cause they can't trace it... ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Lambs Born
I have a question. I have a young ewe, not yet 1 yoa, who had her 1st lamb. He is itty bitty, teeny, tiny. My twins born the same day are bigger than him. He is nursing well and mom is being a good mom. I keep checking his tummy to make sure he has a belly and watch him nurse. Tail goes crazy and mom is putting out the milk. I am trying not to mess with them and let her be a mom but I keep thinking I need to do something with him so small. She has good weight and they both seem happy campers. Am I being paranoid or do I need to worry. The closest sheep vet is a ways off and I do not want to haul them if I can keep from it. Has anyone else seen little guys to 1st time moms. oj -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nancy Richardson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:23 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Lambs Born Well since everyone is speaking of lambs . We have had 113 live lambs born since Jan 1 to 64 ewes total. Some of these are Jacobs but over half are black bellies of some sort. We lost 7 others for various reasons. We are not done lambing yet. But I hope they hold off for about another week because we have a terrible cold snap coming with high winds to boot. Good Luck to everyone else whose going to be lambing soon! It sounds like we all had some very busy rams last fall! Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Delta Airlines - Pet Alert
I got this from one of my dog groups. Wanted to pass it along. This could happen to any animal that had to be shipped to a new home. __ This is kinda long but for those who are breeders and ship their doggies or those who buy a pup from a breeder who ships this could save some troubles. *** Crossposted WITH permission FYI... Please crosspost!!! Last Friday had to be one of the very most frustrating days of my entire life. Never have I encountered, all at once, such a group of un-co-operative uncaring people all working at the same company. The company is Delta Airlines. Looking back, I should have realized that something was different. I have shipped puppies with Delta for over 30 years. This time, when I called the Pets First desk to make the reservation, at about 6 am one morning I got a recording telling me that it was closed and that I should call back during office hours. The recording did not say what those office hours were. When I finally did get through to them later in the day after being on hold waiting for the next available representative for 25 minutes I made a reservation for last Friday, Feb. 3, 2006 for a puppy to go Pets First from Ft. Myers FL to Bloomington, Illinois, with a change of planes in Atlanta. I specifically asked them to check that the planes were big enough for a 200 crate, and was assured that both were full size Delta jets. I went up to the airport cargo on Thurs. Feb. 2 to do the paper work , surrender the health certificates, etc. since the flight was at 6:55 on Friday morning and this would simplify . On Friday morning, I took puppy, crate, newspaper, towel, stuffed toy, baby blanket, an unopened bottle of water , dry food in a zip lock bag, and plastic dishes attached to the door of the shipping crate. Every inch of the crate and all items were examined, approved, and placed in or taped to the crate. This was at 5:30 in the morning. My name and number, owner to be's name and number, were on at least 3 pieces of paperwork attached to the crate. My name, address, and telephone number are on the crate side in black laundry marker. Puppy was to arrive in Bloomington at 11:30. At that time the new owner called me. The puppy was not on the plane. She was frantic. No one had called either of us. The airline did not know where he was. An hour later he was located in Atlanta. They informed us that he was not on the plane because they had used a different plane that did not allow dogs. So they just let him sit there. THEY NEVER CALLED TO LET US KNOW!. No other flight with appropriate plane was scheduled hat day. It was then arranged that he would fly (at 2:40 pm) to Peoria, Illinois and arrive there at 3:20 (change of time zones) . OK - things happen. Not happy, but puppy would get there and new owner would drive to get him in Peoria. Then 3:20 arrived, so did the plane, and THE PUPPY WAS NOT ON THE PLANE. THEY NEVER CALLED EITHER ONE OF US TO SAY THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ON THE PLANE. I had called the Pet First Desk and been on hold for 60 minutes one time before giving up and 50 minutes another to make sure he was on the plane and never contacted a real person. The tracking site on the Delta web site would not show anything. A real person told us later that they DO NOT TRACK DOG SHIPMENTS, ONLY PLANES. It took two hours for them to find him, still at the Atlanta airport. I was FRANTIC - I am 10 hours away from Atlanta. The new owner (at the airport in Peoria) was frantic. Once they located him ( I am going, has he been out to potty, has he got water, was he offered food? - oh yes, he is fine, right here in front of me wagging tail) Arrangements made to put him on a plane at 8:40 pm. Got through to the pet desk at 9:00 - NO - THE PUPPY WAS NOT ON THAT FLIGHT - HE WAS STILL IN ATLANTA. Told to call a logistics number I found that he had not been put on that flight because it was carrying dry ice. BUT THEY NEVER CALLED EITHER OF US TO TELL US-WHY WHY WHYsilence. Now, they told me, he would have to go to a kennel as they couldn't keep him at the airport for over four hours. I am to the screaming stage - he has already BEEN at the D-- airport for over 12 hours. Is the puppy OK, is he dehydrated?Has he been allowed out of the crate, does he have water? Puppy, they said , is fine. Will go to a kennel. I will be billed. They have no idea when puppy will fly to Illinois. ALSO TELL
Re: [blackbelly] Delta Airlines - Pet Alert
I guess I have always been lucky. All my dogs and livestock have been transported by me, friends or family. OJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Delta Airlines - Pet Alert Oneta, I pretty much had the same experience the one and only time I shipped a lamb to California using Delta Dash as the carrier. Lamb arrived IN SPITE of Delta, not BECAUSE of Delta. I'll never use them again. Small livestock breeders are finding it more and more difficult to ship animals across the U.S. The licensed transport companies operate under a lot of federal restrictions. My vet told me about a new law requiring transport companies to unload all stock on a trailer every 12 hours. Can you imagine what our blackbellies would do while being unloaded at an enforced rest stop? That's why folks like Ron Keener, Edgar Ranch, and First Class Transport are so important to us. They are private farmers agreeing to haul your sheep in their trailer and thus are not subject to the same rules as the public transport companies. Some of you may be wondering why I allow these vendors to announce their routes on our listserv. I apologize if you are annoyed by what could justifiably be considered spam, but I truly believe they are providing a critical service to the sheep industry, and I'm willing to tolerate their sometimes lengthy emails to support them. Carol At 08:08 AM 2/14/2006 -0600, you wrote: I got this from one of my dog groups. Wanted to pass it along. This could happen to any animal that had to be shipped to a new home. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP
Thanks for the info. I have never had a guard dog as my border collie was good at everything. She is going on 10 and came from MO where they worked sheep and she kept the coyotes away. However we are now having problems with cougars here so I have been looking at the true guard dogs. I have never herd of a maremma but I will look for info on them. I have to just make sure what ever route I go can handle, sheep, horses, cats and dogs. Thanks OJ -Original Message- From: Dayna Denmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:26 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP Hi Oneta, First you have to decide on what type of dog you are looking for- that is a herding dog or a livestock guardian dog(LGD). Border Collies are herders, whereas the Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma breeds are LGD's. Ideally these dogs are aggressive towards any threat to the livestock(not you, your kids, the livestock, etc.).You need some level of aggressiveness for them to be successful guardians. I have just finished fencing my perimeter property(whew!) and have been researching LGD's. Not to confuse you but if you can do some research on the Maremma. Every person I have talked to that has owned a Pyrenees or Anatolian before getting a Maremma says the same thing- The Maremma has turned out to be the better LGD. As soon as the weather gets a little better here I am going for a visit to a Maremma breeder to see her dogs in action. Her litter is due sometime in Feb., and the puppies are born in with the sheep. She told me she keeps the puppies a while so they get trained by their parents to be better guardians which sounds good to me- they need to bond with livestock to be good at their job. Dayna From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:02:16 -0600 OK I need some info. I have always had border collies but my girl is getting old and is due for retirement. I have both sheep and horses along with other barn dogs and CATS. Here in central OK I have seen several people having the great pyrenees/ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD mix. I have been around the pyrenees but never the anatolian. I read some on them and they seem to be prone to being aggressive as a breed. Has anyone dealt with them as a guard dog and what are your feeling. I do not want to breed. My guys are usually spayed by 6 months as there are to many puppies out there. Please help. Oneta ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP
Help again. I have been reading about the maremma dogs. Can you tell me how to contact your person you know of. I have some questions they may be able to answer and might be able to help me find a breeder closer to home, Oklahoma. Thank you again. PS To all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!! -Original Message- From: Dayna Denmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:26 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP Hi Oneta, First you have to decide on what type of dog you are looking for- that is a herding dog or a livestock guardian dog(LGD). Border Collies are herders, whereas the Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma breeds are LGD's. Ideally these dogs are aggressive towards any threat to the livestock(not you, your kids, the livestock, etc.).You need some level of aggressiveness for them to be successful guardians. I have just finished fencing my perimeter property(whew!) and have been researching LGD's. Not to confuse you but if you can do some research on the Maremma. Every person I have talked to that has owned a Pyrenees or Anatolian before getting a Maremma says the same thing- The Maremma has turned out to be the better LGD. As soon as the weather gets a little better here I am going for a visit to a Maremma breeder to see her dogs in action. Her litter is due sometime in Feb., and the puppies are born in with the sheep. She told me she keeps the puppies a while so they get trained by their parents to be better guardians which sounds good to me- they need to bond with livestock to be good at their job. Dayna From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:02:16 -0600 OK I need some info. I have always had border collies but my girl is getting old and is due for retirement. I have both sheep and horses along with other barn dogs and CATS. Here in central OK I have seen several people having the great pyrenees/ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD mix. I have been around the pyrenees but never the anatolian. I read some on them and they seem to be prone to being aggressive as a breed. Has anyone dealt with them as a guard dog and what are your feeling. I do not want to breed. My guys are usually spayed by 6 months as there are to many puppies out there. Please help. Oneta ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Barbados
Yes, and any details you can get. oj -Original Message- From: David Kellough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Barbados My wife and I are leaving for Barbados in the morning and will be there for a week. We hope to come across some sheep. We would be happy to share whatever pictures we take with all who wish to see them. David Susan Kellough Ohio ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] Basic H 101 Follow Up
ok. I want to know how you fed it. I have been reading on it and I am not sure how to work it. What worked on your guys and did you do anything else. Also where did you order it from. I have found it from several places but none that I have ordered from before. Thanks OJ -Original Message- From: Barb Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:28 PM To: Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Basic H 101 Follow Up I just finished up the Basic H treatment for parasites as prescribed by the article that Carol posted here recently. I have just had a fecal done by a veterinarian who is a parasitologist. The fecal came back dead negative! Not a worm egg, no cocci!This is the cleanest fecal I have ever had performed on the sheep. That's it for me, I'm sold! Barb L. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] confused!!!
check your 4h rules. Around here youth can only show ewes and weathers. only adults can show the rams. we have been trying to get enough to show at the country fair here in pott cty of ok but so far not many are willing. your 4 h instructor should be able to get you the info. oj -Original Message- From: Brad and Aimee Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:06 AM To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] confused!!! Ok I am now confused. We bought our sheep for my son to use in 4H. Is it a bad idea for him to use a ram?? We are currently getting our ram used to a halter. (bad idea???) He is still very shy of us, as is our female. Our sheep and goats are more like our outside pets. Will we regret this later?? Brad and Aimee __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] Potential ram problem
Oh I can't stand it. Last Fall I was having a problem with my 2 year old ram harassing me terrible. He would do his threaten stance and charge constantly. I got PO'd one day while haying the horses and grabbed his horns, got on him like a horse and took a stick and busted his hind end and hung on. Needless to say we now do just fine. He meets me at the gate every AM when I feed and walks nicely beside me to the barn and ready to eat. Now I don't ignore him. He could get me easy but he knows I will not take any *^^$**()( from him. He loves to get scratched and I have even tied him up when I need to work with him. Its not his favorite but he is fine. He was messed with as a baby and I must say after he learned I was the leader of the pack,( have to do the same with the horses) he toes the line. I will not stop giving him attention. It makes it easier when I have to dr him, shots, etc. This is my own experience with my guy. oj -Original Message- From: Elaine Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:50 PM To: blackbelly Subject: [blackbelly] Potential ram problem I was just reading about Yasha, the terrorist ram. We have a ram (Jabari) who is now eight months old and I have not had any problems with him, he was not bottle fed but he was born here and we interact every day. In reading the response to the Yasha problem from Carol Elkins, you said to not make friends with your ram. Jabari was coming up to me when he was shedding his winter coat and wanting help with its removal. He usually comes up to me at some point when I am in the pen watering, feeding, or picking up poop. He will also come up when I am petting/scratching the girls, and want his head petted. Will I regret this in the future? Would I be much better off in the long run if I curb any petting/scratching of him now? Any input would be welcome. Thanks! Elaine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] Lambing kidding is complete
Question: I have a young ewe that had one lamb this last season. She is the most timid and gets pushed away from her feed. She has gotten really poor. I have checked for worms and it was good. I pull her out every night and feed her by herself but she is still so poor and is due to lamb. I am lost. All my other ewes perk up after weaning and even get fat but not this one. Does anyone have any ideas. She gets the run of the place and does not seem depressed just looks bad. I am open to any ideas. We do not have a sheep vet this way or I would get her to him as she had such a nice ram last season. OJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Lambing kidding is complete Hey all, Been down in bed for awhile. Our Spring lambs produced 3 ewe lambs and one ram lamb. One set of twins, the rest were singles. The last ewe lamb had a white patch on her forehead, blackbelly markings on face and legs, but belly is brown not black except up at the front. All the sheep (9 total) are doing well with minimal care(no wormings, no hoof trimming thus far, no vaccines), dh has completed the fencing for this year. Next, a better shelter and handling area. Diana ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] selling sheep scrapie tags
I contacted my state ag dept and they sent tags for free with a gun. In ok they are suppose to be tagged before they leave your property is what I found out from the state vet, however it is amazing how many I have seen not getting tagged or I have to tell the owners I want them tagged before I will buy. OK gives us free tags with the farm # we are given. Contact your ag dept. oj -Original Message- From: Diane Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:30 PM To: Blackbelly List Subject: [blackbelly] selling sheep scrapie tags Sorry to be an idiot ;-) I'm selling some sheep that'll be moving across state lines. What kind of tag is the scrapie tag exactly? (Up until now, I haven't tagged anyone, as they didn't go anywhere.) Is it a special USDA numbering system? or is it any number tag? or what? Are they pretty easy to 'install'. Does the sheep bleed quite a bit? Does it seem to hurt alot? How do you restrain them for tagging? In the meantime, I'm gonna check out the Premiere catalog. Diane ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] Scrapie Scrapie Scrapie!!!
Save yourself the confusion. Call your state vet which should be with the ag dept. Leave lots of msgs till you get a call back. Ask them what you have to do. Get them to send you the tags and any other info you need. Take it from there and remember you learn as you go. I have been doing this for a short time but have had horses for ever so I just went the route I did with them. My state vet should be able to tell me anything. Take care. Don't be confused. We all had to figure it out and you are getting your turn. Good luck. OJ -Original Message- From: Diane Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:46 PM To: Blackbelly List Subject: [blackbelly] Scrapie Scrapie Scrapie!!! AAARRGGGHH! I'm more confused now than when I started! I'm cyber wandering around this APHIS.USDA.gov website. And am finding that it's all as clear as mud!! Do all my animals have to be vet checked prior to implanting the tags? I read something about genotype testing.. to determine who carries for scrapie. Do my sheep need to be genotyped to be enrolled? If all sheep are not blood-tested to rule out having the disease... how does the tagging cut down on Scrapie? By back-tracking if one of the sheep I sold turns out to be defective-- THEN all my sheep would get tested? I can either get free tags from my state (possibly... I got their voice mail) or buy tags from Premiere once I get my official premise ID number either or... doesn't matter right? From the website: What are the ID requirements for animals under 18 months of age? Unless they have been bred or aborted, lambs of either sex intended for slaughter are not required to have an identification number or health certificates unless they are scrapie exposed or suspect animals. So... lambs to yearlings... don't need to be tagged UNLESS the buyer says to tag them? OR only if they're going to be food? If I sold lambs to someone they turned around and sold them into the slaughter system... am I going to get in trouble? Officially Approved Tag Companies All five are officially approved tag companies. The tags are available in metal from Hasco and NBT; and in plastic from Colorado Wool Growers Association, NBT, Premier and SFK Tech, Inc., in various colors. Producers are required to pay for these tags. These ear tags are approved for the official identification of sheep and goats in interstate commerce. They are not approved for use in the Scrapie Flock Certification Program. What does These ear tags are approved for the official identification of sheep and goats in interstate commerce. They are not approved for use in the Scrapie Flock Certification Program. mean? That if I buy tags from Premiere (or any other company listed) that they are not Scrapie ID tags? And I'll have to insert another tag in addition to the Premiere (or other company) tag? Is Scrapie Flock Certification ~different~ than Scrapie Eradication Program? I apparently have low-risk sheep? They're not commerical... they don't go anywhere...they're not Suffolks or any sort of woolie breed or woolie cross-breds. Does that matter to anyone anywhere? Heelp! Diane ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Lambs
In Oklahoma: I have 2 black ewes (twins) that are almost 3 months old ready to go. A full sister (twin) to them that is apx 1 1/2 yrs and should be bred. I have 2 rams (twins) almost 3 months ready to go. I have 1 bb ewe that born last fall ready to go. A bb ewe that is ready the end of this month. For more info contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Lambs
I have 2 black ewes (twins) that are almost 3 months old ready to go. A full sister (twin) to them that is apx 1 1/2 yrs and should be bred. I have 2 rams (twins) almost 3 months ready to go. I have 1 ewe that born last fall ready to go. A ewe that is ready the end of this month. For more info contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] (blackbelly) Bottle Babies
You know. I have had thin girls this year also. In fact I have one I am keeping out and letting run with Baily (the wether that was last years bottle baby who now thinks he is a dog) to get some wgt on her. I am feeding good grain, keep mineral blocks out, both grass hay and alfalfa and then let them graze out with the horses. Has been an odd year. I only had 1 ewe have problems and she had twin still born rams. So far everyone else is doing good just thin. I would be interested to know how many other bb owners are having odd things with the herds. oj -Original Message- From: Chris Handley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] (blackbelly) Bottle Babies Things run in cycles. and this must certainly be the year for bottle babies. These low input BB girls are really pulling a runner, I too have had more walk-away Moms this year. Never had this problem before. I guess maybe (for us) it may be blamed on an extremely cold winter? (when all else fails, blame the weather). I have 6 bottle babies and have had 5 aborts/stillbirths. A lot of my girls are on the thin side this year. Chris. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
RE: [blackbelly] Diane Wright's solid black hair sheep ram
Hey, a heads up. I will have 2 black ewes in a couple of months. One is all black with a small spot on her head and one is all black with white hind legs. Mom is black with a spot on her head and out of my bb ram has thrown twins both times 3 black and one red with white face and legs. oneta -Original Message- From: Mary Swindell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] Diane Wright's solid black hair sheep ram Diane, I have a friend who may want your ram. He is breeding for a solid black hair sheep flock. Please let me know if the ram is still available, and still intact. Thanks, Mary Swindell At 07:04 PM 3/21/2005 -0800, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:50:43 -0500 From: Diane Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] New Home Wanted! To: Blackbelly List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I'm in Michigan I have a polled solid black hair sheep ram who needs a new home. I have an appointment for him to be whethered on April 1 (seemed like a fitting date) but if someone WANTS him.. he would be available very reasonably to the right circumstance. Pass the word to your hair sheep friends let me know! Diane http://home.comcast.net/~diwri/Silver_Lining_Farm.html Mary Swindell Bellwether Farm 815 Bell Hill Road Cobden, IL 62920 (618) 893-4568 (home) (618) 453-1697 (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
