Re: [blackbelly] breed-back dates
What size is considered good freezer size? - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: [blackbelly] breed-back dates Not a bad thing if you have a market for lambs or room to grow them into freezer lamb. I have neither. Morale: All experiments have consequences. Carol ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Any luck with electric fencing?
We have 5 strands of hot wire. Had 2 escapeers, but we put a stop to that. Someone on this lists said that before they turn the sheep into an electric field they hose 'em down with water. Let me tell youwhen the 'ole gals, which were soaking wet, started their ole trick of heading out the fence---it only took one hit and the escaping was OVER. They never even attempted it again!! Soak 'em with water, when they hit the fence--they'll know it!! Yeah, yeah---it seems kinda cruel. But being chased down and killed by pack dogs or coyates is cruelier! - Original Message - From: helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Any luck with electric fencing? We have electric fencing 5 strands of it. And all very hot. But we also have 3 escape artists who wait until between pulses and jump right through the fence. They get a shock now and then but they don't seem to mind it. All 3 going through at the same time seemed to sort of distribute the shock or something. But, they all stay in the pasture since we had the coyote problems. I guess something good comes out of bad after all. By the way to everyone out there ...We have had 6 new babies since our fiasco. Helen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
We had 1 horse in with the sheep and now the horse is gone!! I saw him actually pick a full grown ewe up by the back of the neck and THROW her across the field. He didn't like to share the hay or feed, and was pestered by the lambs. I was terrified that he would stomp the babies on purpose. And, a friend of mine is nursing a 3 month lamb with a broke front leg and gapping neck wound because her horse done the same thing!!! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs
When do the stomachs of a lamb begin to process grain? - Original Message - From: RBMuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs You might also want to make some small lamb or kid pellets available to them since they eat early. Don't use grain as their rumen can't process it yet! Rhonda ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] butchering our Ram
One of our herd sires exhibits the VERY same behavior right before (within 3 or 4 days) his ewes give birth. He even trys to mount them at times. We discussed this with the vet and he said that Jr. (the ram) has the keen ability to be able to detect hormone changes in the ewes. He's got it right when we said there's no way she's due!! I'm telling you if he is running around sniffing with that lip curled and we know good-and-well that she's bred..it's baby time!! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Willhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] butchering our Ram The reason we were watching her so closely last night was because our meanie ram had singled her out and wouldn't leave her alone. Kept following her and sniffing her butt then growling. So we were trying to figure out what was going on. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] colostrum feeding
What is CD/T - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] colostrum feeding Are you sure you need to vaccinate with CD/T? Carol At 02:18 PM 5/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: My question (since I have my first bottle baby) is when do you give the first CD/T shot to these lambs? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Showy Crotalaria
Here in Tennessee we call that stuff Milkweed. If you break the branches a sappy, white fluid will emerge. It looks like milk and stinks like the dickens!! unfortunatly it is everywhere at our place! The books do claim that it is poisonous. The sheep will pick around on the VERY young leaves at the first of the season--probably because they long for anything green. But mine will NOT eat it once it gets about 5 inches tall. It gets very tall and 1 plant will bush out alot. It provides shade in the hot summer months. BUT, you have got to cut that stuff before the seeds get mature--if you don't it spreads like WILDFIRE. We actually get in there and cut it with a reap-hook, and throw it out of the field. Just my two cents worth. www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/cvtsp.htm also: www.lsuagcenter.com/en/crops_livestock/livestock/animal_health/horses/Ho rses+Poisoned+by+Showy+Crotalaria.html if this plant is out there in your pastures, it could explain some sudden deaths. Please, look for it. No one wants to lose a baby of ANY age to something that can be eliminated from the pastures. Terry W ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] lambs
Thought I'd brag on my girls, too! At YesterYear we have had 26 babies ( including 6 set of twins) in 23 days!! Baby number 20 was the broke leg ewes little girl! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] lambs Great! I had twins born last Friday. Both brown Cecil in Okla - Original Message - From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BB Sheep blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: [blackbelly] lambs I do not usually brag but was excited when I got home from work yesterday. Had 3 Valentine babies. Twins out of my bb ewe. Both rams. One is bb and one is painted desert. Not sure where that came from. One out of my cream bb. This is her first and he is tiny. We have decided his name is Cupid. The others are probably going to be Casanova and Valentino. Oneta McLoud, OK ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] broke leg ewe
A quick update on our broke leg ewe. Well, she's a mama again. She had a healthy ewe lamb on Sat. Feb. 11. She is letting the ewe suck and they seem to be doing good. She still doesn't put much weight on that back leg, but she doesn't act like it bothers her much. She gets up and down to eat, and lets the lamb suck. If you ask me, we made to right choice in not putting her down. BUT, who knows what the ewe thinks!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] broke leg ewe
Yes, we did split the leg.twice..! We did the split that went from the hip and extended below the hoof approx. 1 inch. She drug that one off in less than 2 days because she scooted around on that side in the shed. So we dooped her up again, cut the old one off, and re-splint only the upper part of the hip. She seems to be doing ok for now. I'll keep everyone informed. - Original Message - From: Stephanie Parrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] broke leg ewe Thanks for the update, Stephanie. Glad you were able to keep her going - sounds as if she's doing pretty well. Were you able to splint the leg? SP On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Stephanie Jones wrote: A quick update on our broke leg ewe. Well, she's a mama again. She had a healthy ewe lamb on Sat. Feb. 11. She is letting the ewe suck and they seem to be doing good. She still doesn't put much weight on that back leg, but she doesn't act like it bothers her much. She gets up and down to eat, and lets the lamb suck. If you ask me, we made to right choice in not putting her down. BUT, who knows what the ewe thinks!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly- blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] HELP --Broke leg!!!
OK ---I know there are some knowledgeable folk who can help I need it!! I have a 130 lb ewe heavy with lamb. I'm expecting twins just any day. BUT, yesterday when I got home she was down with a broke leg. It is broke above the hop (knee) . Called 2 vets and they both said to shot her. She is soo close to lambing that I decided to wait and talk to you folks this morning. I did give her some percocet pain pills--good or bad, because I hated to see her suffer. She seems to be able to get up and lay down. And she is eating some.My questions are this: 1--can she lamb with that leg broke? (we are ready to bottle feed) 2--can the leg heal on it's own? (I know animals in the wild do heal, usually ending up with a bum leg---but they are alive!) 3-- Do you folks think it can be set? 4-- Do you all think I should just shot her and relieve her from her suffering :( ? You all are a good bunch of people and I know that somebody out there must have had this problem ALL HELP APPRECIATED!!! Stephanie ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
I can find no literature that differentiates between hair/wool sheep when it comes to copper ppm. Helmut, I feel you are very educated on sheep and have valued your opinion on many matters. If you have access to info on copper I'd love to read it. It would sure make it easier to feed everyone the same thing and quit trying to make sure that the sheep are seperated out!! I'd love to hear of other folks opinion. I DO know this.a friend of mine bought 6 HEALTHY american bb because they were cute and turned them in with her cattle where they had access to a cattle tub. 3 days later they were dead. And no, they were not overly stresses and yes they were eating and drinking. 180 ppm in the cattle tub. Just my observation Carol, surely you know something on this matter ;) Stephanie - Original Message - From: hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Because Hair sheep take same copper concentration as beef. They are different than wool sheep, need a different management.We run them as beef in same management. With best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs At 09:55 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: It was my understanding that copper in excess of 18ppm was toxic, and often fatal to sheep. Am I mistaken in this? If so, what is the safe dosage? No, you're not mistaken... Helmut, why do you supplement copper? Did you maybe mean selenium? I know selenium definitely has an effect on fertility. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] looking for a fly repellent method
Chickens are scavengers. They, by instinct, pick from the ground. We have elevated feed troughs for the sheep and I have never seen the chickens up in the troughs. I guess there is enough spill-over to hit the ground that they are content. And, they never come around when the sheep are at the feeders. I guess the sheep are bigger and the chickens are afraid of the larger animals. After the girls are wondering back out , the ckens will come in and scratch around to get the scraps. Since you've a neighbor that hauls in fly larva by the truck loads, I would wager that you could have 100s of ckens and would not see any positive affects! You are correct in that the ckens roll the manure and peck out the maggots. I have seen them catch adult flys, but the real value is that they eliminate the problem before the flys hatch ( in my humble opinion). Stephanie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] looking for a fly repellent method How do you keep the chickens from getting in the sheep's feeders and 1. leaving droppings in them and 2. eating the sheep feed while you are feeding your sheep? ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] looking for a fly repellent method
When we began with our ABs, we had some worm (tape and round) and fly problems. We fed grain and the girls would paw at it, kicking some of it out onto the ground. Therefore, we also had, what we call meal-worms, they come from the corn. Now, the girls would not eat these, but they just looked gross crawling on the ground. So, I began to do some reading on this worm, meal-worm, and fly problem. In one of my OLD farm husbandary books (dated 1892) one of the solutions to worm and insect problems was to get a bunch of chickens. So in Feb. this year, I ordered 100 mixed breed chicken (the cheapest thing I could find --32.79 tax and shipping incl.) and turned them in with my girls. Guess what-NO problems with meal-worms, because they scratch under the feeders for spilled out grain. The worm problem reduced 80%. Only 3 cases of bottle jaw all summer. Flys?I have not even treated the girls AT ALL this year, and they are not tormented like they were last year. I read the post yesterday about the fly predators. I agree, a little expensive---but an option, none the less. But, I'll stick to chickens. Other than the ititail cost, the only other cost was a 100 lb bag of starter (12.96) and a bottle of wormer (5.73). We do not feed themthey scratch for it!! PLUS, now I'm getting 2 dozen eggs a day, to eat or sell. As my Papaw would have said Pretty good trade . And, they are nice to watch!! So, if you have the opportunity and space for some free-range chickens..you might want to give it a try. Stephanie YesterYear Farm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] looking for a fly repellent method you need lots of roosters. we keep 35-40 around the horse barn and have very few bugs period. oh did i mention we don't feed those roos, they've got to scratch for a living. sue ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Guard Dogs
Hello all: There have been lively discussions about the rams lately, and several times I have seen folks reply about making sure you have a sheep dog or guard dog. Now, we have a herd of about 100 AB's and have finished fencing the back field in and were told we needed a good guard dog. So, we done are research and bought a Great Perenese (sp?) that was 2.5 months old and had been with sheep. My question is.What do we do with her now? She escapes from the fence. She kills my chickens. She worried one of the rams (4 months old) literally to death, as in he died! Now, we've read the books, and know not to pet her, feed her when you feed the sheep, etc. She is now 6 months old and I know that she is still a puppy and wants to play, but I'm scared to death that she'll kill my little lambs if I put her in the back. I lnow that many of you have experience in this field, and I value your insight. Point me in the right direction :) Thanks, Stephanie ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] worming sheep
We've lost sheep, but we've saved alot of sheep too. We've used ivomec orally and injectable, and levisole(?sp) pills, but have had better success with Synanthic which is oral. Once sheep have bottlejaw you have about a 95% chance of having some type of digestive track infection and inflamation, according to our vet. So not only do you have to treat the worm problem you also have to treat the infection with antibotics, our vet suggested penicillin. Good luck! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [blackbelly] worming sheep Hello, we are looking for a little advice. We are helping out with a herd of sheep. 2 have bottle jaw already. We got all of them wormed with ivomec oral on this past wednesday the 20th. We would like to worm again but how soon? We can worm with either dectomax injection or cydectin oral . Hopefully we can save them. Do any of them ever pull through or do they die? Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] update on Not pink eye
Thanks for ALL the good info concerning our eye dilemma. Well, I finally had to break down and call the vet, after checking the other 20 or so in the field. Out of 25, 8 have the cloudy,hazy eye thing going on. One poor soul is completly blind at this point, turning in circles:( The doc says that I have viral pathogen speading like wild fire thru the herd. Well, I have good and bad news on the eye dilemma! First, my sweet little ewe did regain her eye sight. She sure was a pitiful looking creature wondering around in the field hollering for her baby and her ewe friends. Second, this has been a MAJOR PAIN to conquer$ We have spent MANY hours every day fooling with this stuff. It kept cycling thru the herd. We'd get a few of the gals cleared up, and 5 or 6 days later, they take a backset. We finally found the culprit! Cookie the Ram!! We feed one day and that devil was eating and we saw him lick the eyes of some of the ewes. Evidently he liked the taste of the matter running out of the eyes! Gross Anyway, we penned that little devil up and hopefully we have this under control now. The only REAL positive thing about this whole mess is that we've managed to keep it in one field and once they have had this crap they are immune for about 4 years. Stephanie _ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Not pink eye
Cecil, Did your ewes regain their eyesight? The blinded mamma and her baby both have this stuff, but the lamb looked better last night and came straight to the feed trough. It didn't appear that she was having any trouble with her sight last night. BUT , momma is still turning in circle and the eyes are completly grey. We are hoping for a great improvment, as she is a wonderful, healthy gal, but if she can't see to feed and care for any future babies her life span may be short.:( Now, what is azimycin? An antibotic I'm guessing because of the mycin? Is it a paste, drop, etc? Where can I get it? Stephanie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Not pink eye this sounds like the problem I had with mine last summer. 1 week after I brought in 2 new animals. I consulted an old vet and he prescribed the Chlamydia vaccine. I also gave 6 cc of azimycin and cortisone in the eyelid. Cecil ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Not pink eye
Thanks for ALL the good info concerning our eye dilemma. Well, I finally had to break down and call the vet, after checking the other 20 or so in the field. Out of 25, 8 have the cloudy,hazy eye thing going on. One poor soul is completly blind at this point, turning in circles:( The doc says that I have viral pathogen speading like wild fire thru the herd. He said that it is similar to what cattle have (I cant remember the name). Here's the gist---the virus manifest itself in the eyes; therefore, the hazy eyes are a symptom of the virus. Now,the eyes can become injured if the sheep are unable to see properly and bump into the fence, brush, swipe weeds, etc. So, you can treat the eyes with some antibotic cream with a steriod, but you must treat the cause--the virus. As with all viruses, it must run it's course, but 5cc LA200 followed by 5 cc LA 200 3 days later IM helps with in the treatment of the eyes internally. The cloudyness will leave. Depending on the severity of the virus, there may or maynot be any permenant damage to the eye itself. Thats the good news. Bad news---it speads like wild fire. Last night we saw a ewe in a non-ajoining pasture with the same thing,. That means another 30 or so to watch.:( Stephanie ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
