Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12492 - trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs
Le 30/12/2013 23:56, Armin K. a écrit : On 30.12.2013 23:45, pie...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: pierre Date: Mon Dec 30 14:45:30 2013 New Revision: 12492 Log: Add forgotten explanation for disable-gssapi Modified: trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Modified: trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml == --- trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Mon Dec 30 14:34:17 2013(r12491) +++ trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Mon Dec 30 14:45:30 2013(r12492) @@ -132,6 +132,13 @@ href=../../xincludes/static-libraries.xml/ para + parameter--disable-gssapi/parameter: This switch is needed if + ulink url=http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/linux/libgssapi; + libgssapi/ulink is not installed. Remove it if libgssapi is installed + and you want to use it. +/para + +para commandmv -v /usr/lib/libtirpc.so.* .../command: Move shared libraries into /lib so they are available before /usr is mounted. /para I believe that you can use MIT krb5 libgssapi here, too. Will check, thanks. I'll have to change the optional requirements too. Regards Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12492 - trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs
Le 31/12/2013 10:39, Pierre Labastie a écrit : Le 30/12/2013 23:56, Armin K. a écrit : On 30.12.2013 23:45, pie...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: pierre Date: Mon Dec 30 14:45:30 2013 New Revision: 12492 Log: Add forgotten explanation for disable-gssapi Modified: trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Modified: trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml == --- trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Mon Dec 30 14:34:17 2013(r12491) +++ trunk/BOOK/networking/netlibs/libtirpc.xml Mon Dec 30 14:45:30 2013(r12492) @@ -132,6 +132,13 @@ href=../../xincludes/static-libraries.xml/ para + parameter--disable-gssapi/parameter: This switch is needed if + ulink url=http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/linux/libgssapi; + libgssapi/ulink is not installed. Remove it if libgssapi is installed + and you want to use it. +/para + +para commandmv -v /usr/lib/libtirpc.so.* .../command: Move shared libraries into /lib so they are available before /usr is mounted. /para I believe that you can use MIT krb5 libgssapi here, too. Will check, thanks. I'll have to change the optional requirements too. Regards Pierre Actually, it is worse than that: that package installs only gssglue, which is not tested anymore according to the release notes. and the configure script has: if test x$enable_gssapi = xyes; then GSSAPI_CFLAGS=`krb5-config --cflags gssapi` GSSAPI_LIBS=`krb5-config --libs gssapi` fi So krb5 _is_ needed if --disable-gssapi is not passed. I'll change the text accordingly. Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre Thanks, Pierre. So obvious, why could not I think that, duh? 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Em 31-12-2013 10:07, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. It does not, just installs a man page with 664: {{{ for lang in C ar ca da de el es fr gl id it ja ko lt pl pt_BR pt ru sr sv tr ug uk zh_CN; do \ file=./man/$lang/xfce4-terminal.1; \ if test -f $file ; then \ if test x$lang = xC; then \ dest=/usr/share/man/man1; \ else \ dest=/usr/share/man/$lang/man1; \ fi; \ /bin/sh /home/fernando/tmp/paco-build-2013.12.27-13h28m17s/xfce4-terminal-0.6.3/install-sh -d $dest; \ dest=`echo $dest/xfce4-terminal.1 | sed 's,x,x,'`; \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $file $dest; \ fi \ done; }}} But ghostscript was the other one I could find with reference to /usr/share/man: {{{ /bin/sh -c 'test -d /usr/share/man || mkdir -p /usr/share/man' }}} So, still a mystery. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:49:48AM -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Em 31-12-2013 10:07, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. It does not, just installs a man page with 664: /bin/sh -c 'test -d /usr/share/man || mkdir -p /usr/share/man' }}} So, still a mystery. We had this a few months ago - in that case it was the git manpages which are shipped in a separate tarball. Unfortunately, this sort of error can remain hidden for several days (or longer) until we need to check a man page. Does a git manpage upgrade seem a likely possibility ? If not, do you have any recent backups - and a list of what you installed - to help identify what range of packages were involved ? Did you install any other *separate* manpage tarballs ? ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Em 31-12-2013 13:38, Ken Moffat escreveu: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:49:48AM -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Em 31-12-2013 10:07, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. It does not, just installs a man page with 664: /bin/sh -c 'test -d /usr/share/man || mkdir -p /usr/share/man' }}} So, still a mystery. We had this a few months ago - in that case it was the git manpages which are shipped in a separate tarball. Unfortunately, this sort of error can remain hidden for several days (or longer) until we need to check a man page. I knew there was a similar problem, and was hoping someone would remember. You did. Right on the spot: git. I uncompressed the tarballs in a dir1/dir2/ temp directory, and it changed the permissions. For some unknown reasons, I followed that thread but did not update my script. Repeated a wrong install, man problem back, corrected by hand and with the good script, everything is good, now. Thanks Pierre and, specially, ĸen and his wonderful memory. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Le 31/12/2013 17:38, Ken Moffat a écrit : On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:49:48AM -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Em 31-12-2013 10:07, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. It does not, just installs a man page with 664: /bin/sh -c 'test -d /usr/share/man || mkdir -p /usr/share/man' }}} So, still a mystery. We had this a few months ago - in that case it was the git manpages which are shipped in a separate tarball. Unfortunately, this sort of error can remain hidden for several days (or longer) until we need to check a man page. Does a git manpage upgrade seem a likely possibility ? If not, do you have any recent backups - and a list of what you installed - to help identify what range of packages were involved ? Did you install any other *separate* manpage tarballs ? ĸen Why did you use the setgid bit? Anyway, maybe you could try to find which files have 660 or 640 (or anything ending with 0) inside the /usr/share/man hierarchy? for example: find /usr/share/man \! -perm /7 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] man pages permissions wrong: none displayed
Le 31/12/2013 18:18, Pierre Labastie a écrit : Le 31/12/2013 17:38, Ken Moffat a écrit : On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:49:48AM -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Em 31-12-2013 10:07, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: Em 31-12-2013 09:19, Pierre Labastie escreveu: Le 31/12/2013 12:50, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit : I discovered today that no man page was displayed. The reason was a directory with wrong permissions: $ ls -dl /usr/share/man drwxr-x--- 52 root root 4096 Dez 27 13:28 /usr/share/man No idea why. Corrected with: # chmod -c 2775 /usr/share/man Any way of discovering the source for the problem? Thanks. If you have no file monitoring installed, the only indication you have is the date (December 27) and the time (13:28) it got modified for the last time. And then, try to remember (or to find logs of) what you were doing at that time... regards Pierre 27-Dec-2013 13:28 xfce4-terminal-0.6.3 Now, need to see if it is really this one, the problem. It does not, just installs a man page with 664: /bin/sh -c 'test -d /usr/share/man || mkdir -p /usr/share/man' }}} So, still a mystery. We had this a few months ago - in that case it was the git manpages which are shipped in a separate tarball. Unfortunately, this sort of error can remain hidden for several days (or longer) until we need to check a man page. Does a git manpage upgrade seem a likely possibility ? If not, do you have any recent backups - and a list of what you installed - to help identify what range of packages were involved ? Did you install any other *separate* manpage tarballs ? ĸen Why did you use the setgid bit? Anyway, maybe you could try to find which files have 660 or 640 (or anything ending with 0) inside the /usr/share/man hierarchy? for example: find /usr/share/man \! -perm /7 Forget my last message, which I wrote before seeing yours. Glad you solved it. And I must memorize that git manpages are mean! Regards Pierre Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Armin K. wrote: On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. I'm not sure how to check. I tried: $ LANG=ko man chfn man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Le 31/12/2013 19:17, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : Armin K. wrote: On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. I'm not sure how to check. I tried: $ LANG=ko man chfn man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. -- Bruce maybe you need some localedef command. If you have only what is on glibc page, you do not have localedef for ko. There is zh_CN, though. Tried: LANG=zh_CN.GB18030 man chfn and got a bunch of question marks (well, I do not have the right font installed), followed by a text in English. Well, tried too: LANG=zh_CN.GB18030 man useradd gives many more question marks... Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:17:42PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. I'm not sure how to check. I tried: $ LANG=ko man chfn man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. -- Bruce From some quick tests (in urxvt on a 'buntu desktop on my netbook, using ssh to get to my 7.4 server) I can display the shadow pages I tried for the ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_CN, zh_TW locales : but only if I specify LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 : omitting the .UTF-8 gave me gibberish. This also requires the locales, of course, and suitable fonts. Arguably, LFS is out of date - but very few LFS users seem to care about CJK text. There is, of course, no way to display CJK in a regular tty (far too many potential glyphs). But from any desktop term which is correctly set up and has a suitable font you can display them using the form 'man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/su.1' and the same if you replace 'ja' by 'ko', 'zh_CN' or 'zh_TW'. Unfortunately, many of the other pages are not present in all four of these CJK locales. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:17:42PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: On 12/31/2013 06:58 PM, Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Looking at the BLFS Shadow package instructions, there is a command and descriptive text for disabling the Korean and Chinese man pages. However, this is not done in LFS. Seems the two books would be consistent as far as which man pages are installed. Thoughts? I believe that LFS had some note for man-db that it couldn't properly display man pages in some languages, but that was fixed some time ago. I'm not sure how to check. I tried: $ LANG=ko man chfn man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct but it did display the English page. We do have the ko, zh_CN, and zh_TW pages installed. I also see that nmap installs a zh page. -- Bruce From some quick tests (in urxvt on a 'buntu desktop on my netbook, using ssh to get to my 7.4 server) I can display the shadow pages I tried for the ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_CN, zh_TW locales : but only if I specify LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 : omitting the .UTF-8 gave me gibberish. This also requires the locales, of course, and suitable fonts. Arguably, LFS is out of date - but very few LFS users seem to care about CJK text. There is, of course, no way to display CJK in a regular tty (far too many potential glyphs). But from any desktop term which is correctly set up and has a suitable font you can display them using the form 'man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/su.1' and the same if you replace 'ja' by 'ko', 'zh_CN' or 'zh_TW'. Unfortunately, many of the other pages are not present in all four of these CJK locales. In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who do more with non-US fonts. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who do more with non-US fonts. -- Bruce I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the editors who are actively maintaining the book. Meanwhile, Lang May Yer Lum Reek! ĸen - Just a wee deoch an doruis then ... -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
Le 31/12/2013 22:26, Ken Moffat a écrit : On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who do more with non-US fonts. -- Bruce I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the editors who are actively maintaining the book. Meanwhile, Lang May Yer Lum Reek! ĸen - Just a wee deoch an doruis then ... Actually, whether you have a sed in BLFS or not, you'll have all the manpages since they are installed in LFS... So +1 for removing: it does not change the final state and is just one line less on the page. Happy new year to all (1h25 left in 2013 here) Pierre -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Nitpick with Shadow Package
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 09:26:53PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: In any case, Randy's observation that LFS and BLFS install shadow differently is still accurate. Should we change LFS to omit the ko/zn man pages or remove the sed from BLFS that does that. I lean towards removing the sed from BLFS, but will defer to those who do more with non-US fonts. -- Bruce I'm all for allowing _any_ text to render, even if I can't read it. So, +1 for that from me - but I'd rather see the comments from the editors who are actively maintaining the book. And before the year gets any older, I'll offer my apologies to both Bruce and Randy for misreading Randy's original post. Anyway, everything is for the best, in the best of all possible worlds. [ Voltaire, Candide ] ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, dieses Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page