Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 03:30:20PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm believing the man page (I have not even built the package), which is why I would prefer the comment to say # Don't mail logs to anybody Seems reasonable. -- Bruce OK, I'll do it while 3.16.0 is building. ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 00:54:07 +0100
From: Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com
To: blfs-dev@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple
script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate
package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the
following:
# Don't send mail to anybody
nomail
I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its
operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want
(although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking
at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command
appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted)
to anybody and that is proobably what I want.
Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood
it ?
What behaviour _do_ you want?
'nomail' means the opposite sense of the 'mail' directive (ref excerpt
from man-page, below).
Here, for example, we'd normally use, in /etc/logrotate.conf , as
belts'n'braces additional backup for logfiles:
mail eml_addr_userpart@eml_addr_dompart
maillast
If instead I wanted to nail-down logrotate to not send email at all for
either of the 'mailfirst' or 'maillast' senses, then I'd use 'nomail'
by itself.
Note that logrotate can have nested, hierarchical definitions/contexts
in the cfg file, with deeper-nested definitions taking precedence: so you
can use e.g. 'nomail' globally, but override it for a sub-section.
The mail/nomail settings for logrotate, don't affect the usual
cron emailed reports. Although, you _could_ use logrotate's
p{re,ost}rotate/{fir,la}staction/c directives, to mess about with such
cron stuff if you wanted, for whatever reason.
Ref: As da man says:
mail address
When a log is rotated out-of-existence, it is mailed to address. If
no mail should be generated by a particular log, the nomail directive
may be used.
mailfirst
When using the mail command, mail the just-rotated file, instead of the
about-to-expire file.
maillast
When using the mail command, mail the about-to-expire file, instead of
the just-rotated file (this is the default).
nomail
Don't mail old log files to any address.
rgds,
akh
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Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 12:16:31AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the following: # Don't send mail to anybody nomail I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want (although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted) to anybody and that is proobably what I want. Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood it ? I'm not sure if the mail command is for mailing files before deleting or just a status of operation. We don't generally go into the details of configuration files but instead give a fairly minimal config file that works. The man page says it is used to send files. See also the mailfirst and maillast directives. -- Bruce I'm believing the man page (I have not even built the package), which is why I would prefer the comment to say # Don't mail logs to anybody ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:27:02AM +0100, akhiezer wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 00:54:07 +0100
From: Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com
To: blfs-dev@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple
script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate
package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the
following:
# Don't send mail to anybody
nomail
I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its
operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want
(although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking
at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command
appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted)
to anybody and that is proobably what I want.
Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood
it ?
What behaviour _do_ you want?
Just confirmation that the program has run.
'nomail' means the opposite sense of the 'mail' directive (ref excerpt
from man-page, below).
Here, for example, we'd normally use, in /etc/logrotate.conf , as
belts'n'braces additional backup for logfiles:
mail eml_addr_userpart@eml_addr_dompart
maillast
If instead I wanted to nail-down logrotate to not send email at all for
either of the 'mailfirst' or 'maillast' senses, then I'd use 'nomail'
by itself.
Note that logrotate can have nested, hierarchical definitions/contexts
in the cfg file, with deeper-nested definitions taking precedence: so you
can use e.g. 'nomail' globally, but override it for a sub-section.
The mail/nomail settings for logrotate, don't affect the usual
cron emailed reports. Although, you _could_ use logrotate's
p{re,ost}rotate/{fir,la}staction/c directives, to mess about with such
cron stuff if you wanted, for whatever reason.
Thanks for that - very informative.
Ref: As da man says:
mail address
When a log is rotated out-of-existence, it is mailed to address. If
no mail should be generated by a particular log, the nomail directive
may be used.
mailfirst
When using the mail command, mail the just-rotated file, instead of the
about-to-expire file.
maillast
When using the mail command, mail the about-to-expire file, instead of
the just-rotated file (this is the default).
nomail
Don't mail old log files to any address.
And it is that last line which makes me think the comment Don't
send mail to anybody is misleading. I'm just trying to increase
clarity and reduce possible confusion.
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Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:10:16 +0100
From: Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com
To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:27:02AM +0100, akhiezer wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 00:54:07 +0100
From: Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com
To: blfs-dev@lists.linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple
script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate
package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the
following:
# Don't send mail to anybody
nomail
I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its
operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want
(although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking
at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command
appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted)
to anybody and that is proobably what I want.
Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood
it ?
What behaviour _do_ you want?
Just confirmation that the program has run.
Here, we have e.g. (for 'dcron'):
$ cat /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
[ $? != 0 ] /usr/bin/logger -t logrotate ALERT - exited abnormally.
$
$ crontab -l
.
.
__cron-ts-spec__ /usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily 1 /dev/null
.
.
$
You can of course adjust the output stuff re what you want cron to mail;
e.g remove/adjust the '1 /dev/null', and have '/etc/cron.daily/logrotate'
echo something on successful finish.
'nomail' means the opposite sense of the 'mail' directive (ref excerpt
from man-page, below).
Here, for example, we'd normally use, in /etc/logrotate.conf , as
belts'n'braces additional backup for logfiles:
mail eml_addr_userpart@eml_addr_dompart
maillast
If instead I wanted to nail-down logrotate to not send email at all for
either of the 'mailfirst' or 'maillast' senses, then I'd use 'nomail'
by itself.
Note that logrotate can have nested, hierarchical definitions/contexts
in the cfg file, with deeper-nested definitions taking precedence: so you
can use e.g. 'nomail' globally, but override it for a sub-section.
The mail/nomail settings for logrotate, don't affect the usual
cron emailed reports. Although, you _could_ use logrotate's
p{re,ost}rotate/{fir,la}staction/c directives, to mess about with such
cron stuff if you wanted, for whatever reason.
Thanks for that - very informative.
Ref: As da man says:
mail address
When a log is rotated out-of-existence, it is mailed to address. If
no mail should be generated by a particular log, the nomail directive
may be used.
mailfirst
When using the mail command, mail the just-rotated file, instead of the
about-to-expire file.
maillast
When using the mail command, mail the about-to-expire file, instead of
the just-rotated file (this is the default).
nomail
Don't mail old log files to any address.
And it is that last line which makes me think the comment Don't
send mail to anybody is misleading. I'm just trying to increase
clarity and reduce possible confusion.
_Logrotate_ itself won't initiate any 'please send mail' stuff if 'nomail'
is set (for the relevant context): but it doesn't - unless you're doing
something quite ~convoluted via the aforenoted pre/post/first/last directives
- stop e.g. a parent/calling-process such as cron from sending a usual-style
cron email reporting on the process (if logrotate has been called from cron).
hth,
akh
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[blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the following: # Don't send mail to anybody nomail I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want (although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted) to anybody and that is proobably what I want. Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood it ? ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] /etc/logrotate.conf nomail option
Ken Moffat wrote: I'm just updating my build scripts. For years I have used a simple script to do log rotation, so now I am going to try the logrotate package. Looking at the creation of /etc/logrotate.conf we have the following: # Don't send mail to anybody nomail I read that comment as logrotate should not send mail about its operation to anybody, which is not necessarily what I want (although I think I'm going to get a report from fcron). But looking at an online manpage, and the link to techrepublic.com, the command appears to mean Do not mail old logs (which are about to be deleted) to anybody and that is proobably what I want. Am I right that the comment is misleading, or have I misunderstood it ? I'm not sure if the mail command is for mailing files before deleting or just a status of operation. We don't generally go into the details of configuration files but instead give a fairly minimal config file that works. The man page says it is used to send files. See also the mailfirst and maillast directives. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
