Re: [blfs-dev] terminals
Em 14-03-2016 10:08, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu: > Em 14-03-2016 01:00, Ken Moffat escreveu: >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 08:30:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance >>> burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When >>> it comes to terminals, we have: >>> >>> xterm >>> gnome-terminal >>> xfce4-terminal >>> lxterminal >>> qterminal >>> konsole4 >>> konsole5 >>> >>> I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. >>> >> I've read your other post on gnome-terminal - glad it now works, and >> I have no objection to removing either of these. >> > > > I have no right t ask anything, but would like gnome-terminal to remain > in the book. > > >> But you missed one - rxvt-unicode aka urxvt : >> actually, I would be happy if we removed xterm (and luit) because >> rxvt-unicode is so much better (when pointed to a sensible set of >> fonts) >> >> /me decides to run ;-) >> > > Thanks, Bruce, for attending my request. -- []s, Fernando, aka SÃsifo -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] terminals
akhiezer wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 04:00:05 + From: Ken Moffat <zarniwh...@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] terminals On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 08:30:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When it comes to terminals, we have: xterm gnome-terminal xfce4-terminal lxterminal qterminal konsole4 konsole5 I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. . . I have no objection to removing either of these. But you missed one - rxvt-unicode aka urxvt : Yes, I missed that. I suspect you would prefer not to remove that. actually, I would be happy if we removed xterm (and luit) because Yes, it has 'baggage' (& ~poor defaults), but I'd suggest keeping xterm - not least as an ~expected part of basic/core x environment; cf twm . I agree that xterm is not that useful because of the difficult configuration, but it is classic and, like twm and xclock, allows testing of Xorg early. None of these is particularly hard to to /update/install/test. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] terminals
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 04:00:05 + > From: Ken Moffat <zarniwh...@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] terminals > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 08:30:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance > > burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When > > it comes to terminals, we have: > > > > xterm > > gnome-terminal > > xfce4-terminal > > lxterminal > > qterminal > > konsole4 > > konsole5 > > > > I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. > > . . > I have no objection to removing either of these. > > But you missed one - rxvt-unicode aka urxvt : > actually, I would be happy if we removed xterm (and luit) because Yes, it has 'baggage' (& ~poor defaults), but I'd suggest keeping xterm - not least as an ~expected part of basic/core x environment; cf twm . > rxvt-unicode is so much better (when pointed to a sensible set of > fonts) . . > akh -- -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] terminals
Em 14-03-2016 01:00, Ken Moffat escreveu: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 08:30:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance >> burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When >> it comes to terminals, we have: >> >> xterm >> gnome-terminal >> xfce4-terminal >> lxterminal >> qterminal >> konsole4 >> konsole5 >> >> I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. >> > I've read your other post on gnome-terminal - glad it now works, and > I have no objection to removing either of these. > I have no right t ask anything, but would like gnome-terminal to remain in the book. > But you missed one - rxvt-unicode aka urxvt : > actually, I would be happy if we removed xterm (and luit) because > rxvt-unicode is so much better (when pointed to a sensible set of > fonts) > > /me decides to run ;-) > -- []s, Fernando de Oliveira -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] terminals
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 08:30:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance > burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When > it comes to terminals, we have: > > xterm > gnome-terminal > xfce4-terminal > lxterminal > qterminal > konsole4 > konsole5 > > I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. > I've read your other post on gnome-terminal - glad it now works, and I have no objection to removing either of these. But you missed one - rxvt-unicode aka urxvt : actually, I would be happy if we removed xterm (and luit) because rxvt-unicode is so much better (when pointed to a sensible set of fonts) /me decides to run ;-) -- This email was written using 100% recycled letters. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-dev] terminals
I would like to cut down the number of packages in BLFS. The maintenance burden is tremendous and we have lots of duplication of capabilities. When it comes to terminals, we have: xterm gnome-terminal xfce4-terminal lxterminal qterminal konsole4 konsole5 I propose that we remove konsole4 and gnome-terminal. We already want to remove as much of KDE4 as we can in favor of kf5 and plasma. There are a few packages that use KDE4, notably k3b and amarok, but konsole5 has the look and feel of konsole4 and the build of the KF5 libraries is essentially the same as building kdelibs although the technique is very different. We removed the gnome desktop some time ago because of its dependency on systemd. I have had problems running gnome-terminal and have isolated the problem to an issue with dbus. For me, I have to launch gnome-terminal using 'dbus-launch gnome-terminal' either from the command line or changing the .desktop file. Why a terminal app needs dbus is beyond my understanding. None of the other terminals need it. I suppose it is something to do with the gnome desktop. In addition, gnome-terminal refuses to start without a utf-8 LANG setting. Again, none of the other terminals have this restriction. Unless there are objections, I will archive these packages later this week. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
