Re: [blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
Randy McMurchy wrote: I put the FreeTTS package into the BLFS book a long time ago. At the time, there was a sight-impaired reader of the BLFS book who asked if there was anything that could be done to assist her with 'reading' the book. It was for that reason I put FreeTTS in the book. Flite and Festival might be better options, I do not know. Flight builds easily, but I have not tested it. I think it's great when people can find ways to make systems more accessible. We were discussing text to speech on the Schoolforge list because someone on the list is teaching a dyslexic student. She's finding tools that get information across as video or words work better than the student trying to read text in that situation. I've built festival lite and espeak from scratch. Festival looks more complicated than festival lite. Haven't tried festival at this point. I did hear some interesting comments as to which application might be better festival lite or espeak. Some people find espeak easier to understand while some people prefer festival and festival lite's features and don't think espeak can do as much. I also ran across a project someone was working on to use CMU Sphinx to understand voice commands and script carrying those commands out. The project also made use of festival lite. Tried building CMU Sphinx 2 and that also didn't present any major problems. However, the developer thought PocketSphinx might be a better way to go since it was more actively developed. Haven't looked at the source for that yet. They do look like they could be interesting tools if one wanted to script more speech capability into one's system. Aleksandar Kuktin Looks like it is high time for someone to write a browser from scratch. I have been looking for that. I think a lot of low resource Linux distributions have wanted a browser that could handle HTML5 (or at least HTML4), CSS (2 or 3) and JavaScript functionality and still not take a ton of dependencies or require a complicated build process. Really not thrilled when one has to jump through hoops just to build an application. However, with a modern browser, there does not seem to be a good example of one where that isn't the case. Guess it's not that big of a surprise, because I've also been looking for a good server-side JavaScript implementation. Most of them have lots of prerequisites you need to meet before you build them as well. Most of them are based on either v8 (from Chrome) or spidermonkey (from Mozilla). None of the options I've tried so far have a nice straightforward build process. They require you to build special tools just so you can build the application. I'm sure there would be a lot of people who would be thrilled if they could find a decent browser project that offered good functionality, worked decently in a low memory, slower processor environment and wasn't very compilicated to compile and build. I've run across several browser projects out there, but I haven't seen one fill that void yet. Also, typical Chrome users are going to download it from Google or their distribution. They'll care more about how well it performs as a browser rather than how hard it is to build. The most popular programs often aren't the ones that are easiest to compile. It's hard to find people with the perspective to recommend software that not only works well but builds easily too. Most people just look at the end results. That's one nice thing about Linux from Scratch developers/users. They get to see both sides. Sincerely, Laura -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:09 -0500 alex lupu alup...@gmail.com wrote: Seems you're not easily swayed by ugly financial reasons like Google crashing everything in its path (so you join it to avoid certain harm). In his infinite wisdom, God set a time and a place for everyone. Google became what it is mostly because it served its customers (IOW, society) well. That is, better that the competitors. But, should Google turn its back to the society that gave it the mountain of money it has, and should Google waste itself in shoveling unwanted crap down our throats, then there will be no Google. Point: Google glasses. Which iteration of the virtual reality glasses product are these? Unlike Microsoft and its pad, Apple made it big with the iPad because there was a need/demand for such a product at the time it was unveiled. And copious amounts of loans to broke deadbeats to finance said need, but lets ignore that for a moment - after all, Apple could have just slashed the price. Regarding Google and its glasses, I really, really, REALLY don't see a use for them. For iPad, even though I myself would never buy it, I do see a use - easy inteface device for control in industrial enviroments. Reading a book. Watching a movie. Playing a game. Looking cool is not on this list, mostly because Apple is mainstream. If really you want to convey the aura of being a part of the cool underground, use Linux. But what possible use can glasses have? Glasses that you control with YOUR VOICE!! I can't make this point hard enough. Imagine: you are standing in the middle of a packed tram (or bus) and you say out loud glasses do blah-blah. Everyone is instantly annoyed. But, your glasses have not understood it. So now you have to say the same command louder, possibly shout it (for example, the London underground can get quite loud sometimes) while everyone looks at you like they want to cram the glasses down your throat. In some parts of the world, it is now considered rude or very rude to talk on the phone in a public transportation vehicle. I can only immagine how long will it take before giving voice commands to glasses gets the same treatment. BTW, maybe I didn't convey it properly, my life was pretty bearable until chrome compilation started requiring (and silently no less, so to speak:) the presence of the Speech Dispatcher. Disabling chrome's speech component has become too onerous lately. Looks like it is high time for someone to write a browser from scratch. -- You don't need an AI for a robot uprising. Humans will do just fine. --Skynet -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
alex lupu wrote these words on 02/01/13 19:43 CST: Randy McMurchy wrote I couldn't care less about the Chrome browser Hi Randy: You'll live to regret these reckless words. Soon :) Sigh... regret...reckless (isn't that a bit, um, presumptuous)? I have personal reasons for wanting to help sight-impaired people. That's a very noble act. Speaking of that, my understanding is that's why Klaus put together A.D.R.I.A.N.E. in Knoppix (for his wife). Hope against hope. You are saying stuff that I cannot easily digest. What do you mean with Hope against hope? Really though, don't bother explaining as I do not intend to continue with this thread as I do not understand at all where you are going with it. Seems you're not easily swayed by ugly financial reasons like Google crashing everything in its path (so you join it to avoid certain harm). And now with this, you can be sure I will not continue to discuss your visions with whatever it is your searching. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.23] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6] [Linux 2.6.14.3 i686] 19:37:00 up 59 days, 5:36, 1 user, load average: 0.32, 0.16, 0.06 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
Hello, I was wondering if anybody would care to philosophize on whether the Speech Dispatcher warrants some treatment in the BLFS book. I see FreeTTS-1.2.2 alludes to Flite - Festival and Orca-3.6.3 to Speech Dispatcher, so the basics would be there. Or, maybe not. -- Some more or less valuable background on my interest in the subject. First off, as a disclaimer, I'm not much interested in speech recognition nor synthesis (I was once into DECtalk - see Google, Stephen Hawking, etc.). HOWEVER, I've become keenly interested in Speech Dispatcher for a couple of reasons. 1. Chrome is increasingly heavy on Speech, and being well aware of the old saying, As Goes Google, So Goes the Nation, that got my full attention (note, the nature of the Nation is not specified - could be Egypt, for example, or any other area). Here in the video, an example of Google's new Speech capabilities shows how a Linux programmer could E-mail dad, there are no more excuses for his dad not sending him more money more often; all that pleading without using the keyboard (nor Skype): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=qRolXPWqCSo#! 2. I've been in the habit of compiling chrome from sources every week or so (in practical terms that means every thousand builds or so: for example, chrome was at 179019 on Jan. 27; today I've compiled 180156). To compile at all, chrome badly needs some speech software, libspeechd-dev, including the Speech Dispatcher (with its so-called libspeechd.h file) residing somewhere in some Ubuntu and/or Debian database and which require complicated and tiresome acrobatics to extract and process. Thanks, -- Alex -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
alex lupu wrote these words on 02/01/13 17:53 CST: Hello, I was wondering if anybody would care to philosophize on whether the Speech Dispatcher warrants some treatment in the BLFS book. I see FreeTTS-1.2.2 alludes to Flite - Festival and Orca-3.6.3 to Speech Dispatcher, so the basics would be there. I put the FreeTTS package into the BLFS book a long time ago. At the time, there was a sight-impaired reader of the BLFS book who asked if there was anything that could be done to assist her with 'reading' the book. It was for that reason I put FreeTTS in the book. Flite and Festival might be better options, I do not know. Flight builds easily, but I have not tested it. I would like to work with you, but not because of whatever you said about so goes Google, goes If there was a 'reader' who could expand on the benefits that Speech Dispatcher provides, or if you could provide a bit more detail about your quest, I would be happy to work on this project. I have personal reasons for wanting to help sight-impaired people. Please provide some background that expands on your original post other than because the Chrome browser is increasingly heavy on speech. I could care less about the Chrome browser. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.23] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6] [Linux 2.6.14.3 i686] 17:57:00 up 58 days, 3:56, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.04 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 02/01/13 18:07 CST: I could care less about the Chrome browser. That should be 'I could *not* care less about the Chrome browser'. :-) -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.23] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6] [Linux 2.6.14.3 i686] 18:12:00 up 58 days, 4:11, 1 user, load average: 1.41, 1.25, 0.74 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-support] Speech Dispatcher in BLFS?
Randy McMurchy wrote I couldn't care less about the Chrome browser Hi Randy: You'll live to regret these reckless words. Soon :) I have personal reasons for wanting to help sight-impaired people. That's a very noble act. Speaking of that, my understanding is that's why Klaus put together A.D.R.I.A.N.E. in Knoppix (for his wife). Hope against hope. Seems you're not easily swayed by ugly financial reasons like Google crashing everything in its path (so you join it to avoid certain harm). How about this as another reason: Ubuntu and Debian do it (Speech Dispatcher)? I.e., keeping up with the Joneses BTW, maybe I didn't convey it properly, my life was pretty bearable until chrome compilation started requiring (and silently no less, so to speak:) the presence of the Speech Dispatcher. Disabling chrome's speech component has become too onerous lately. Thanks for your comments, -- Alex -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
