Re: [BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon

[Christian Shinaberger]

Here is a place that discusses many phones
Discussion List 
or
To: L G Phone List 

At 07:22 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>I have been searching high and low for a 
>community of people who are using Talks for 
>their Moto Q9. Does anyone know of such a 
>community? Is anyone else using Talks with the 
>Moto Q9? Is this off topic for this list? I have 
>my cell phone with me while I'm working in my woodshop. smile.
>
>I can start a list on my own server, but thought 
>I'd try and find a community out there already. 
>I've Googled, called Verizon, looked on 
>blindcooltech, called Nuance, Googled some more, but can't find squat...
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
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>
>

Re: [SPAM] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Dale Leavens]

Art,

Put the probes across the terminals, that is, one probe on each terminal. It 
will be AC have no fear. This is just a step-down transformer and the voltage 
will be very low. Spit on your finger and place it across the screw terminals 
and I'll bet you won't be able to feel it unless you have a small abrasion or 
cut.

Depending on the mechanism of the bell, there may well be a coil which 
energizes when the current flows. this is an electromagnet which draws the 
hammer back to strike the bell or chime. When this energizes and deenergizes it 
can create a fairly high EMF (voltage) for an instant which you may well feel 
as a good jolt but unless across your pacemaker it won't hurt you and most 
likely wouldn't disturb your pacemaker either.

These are wonderful circuits to play with because they are such low voltage and 
polarity doesn't matter so have a ball!

Note that the relative voltage to ground is not relevant. The transformer 
essentially behaves like an isolation transformer. It could be grounded but my 
bet is that there is no significant current flow from either terminal to ground.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Art Rizzino 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell



  Thanks for the comments so far.
  By the way where the wires came apart was near what I think is the 
transformer.
  Since I have one of the talking multi meters would it be a good guess to set 
it to AC and check the thing that I assume is the transformer? If DC by chance 
there will be no reading? Probably not a good idea to attempt putting AC to the 
DC setting of the meter.
  Electric testing probably is not my strong point. I am not afraid of 
electrical but do respect it.
  When using the meter, should I probe both terminals at the same time or 
should I check each one at a time going to ground?
  Guidance please.
  Thanks.
  Art
  - Original Message - 
  From: Max Robinson 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:49 AM
  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

  I respectfully disagree. The voltage to a doorbell is either 16 or 24 volts 
  always AC. The transformer has two terminals as noted. The bell has three 
  terminals, One is common. The second is the two chime sounder and the 
  third one is the one chime sounder. One connection on the transformer goes 
  to the common on the bell. The other terminal on the transformer goes to 
  both buttons. The return from each button goes to the remaining two 
  terminals on the bell. Usually the front door goes to the two chime sounder 
  and the back door goes to the one chime sounder. You may have to experiment 
  to figure out which is the common. You will need assistance to push the 
  buttons anyway so if that help is sighted you might as well have her read 
  the labels on the bell box.

  Regards.

  Max. K 4 O D S.

  Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com

  Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net
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  - Original Message - 
  From: "Bob Kennedy" 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

  > The voltage should be 12 volts DC. I don't know which terminals are live 
  > or ground though. You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only 
  > have a bit more than the hook at the ends. Then have someone work the 
  > door bell, or tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live. Then you 
  > can make the individual contacts and see which way works.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Art Rizzino
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
  >
  >
  >
  > I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The 
  > wiring always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic 
  > and my shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well 
  > I guess this is the time to figure out the system and make better 
  > connections than twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires 
  > dangle. This is how it was when we bought the house.
  >
  > The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.
  >
  > I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it.
  >
  > The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are 
  > three terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one 
  > from each set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?
  >
  > What might be the vol

Re: [BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon

[Dan Rossi]

Yeah, that one talks list is for the symbian version of Talks.  The 
version that runs on the Motorola isn't really even Talks.  It's just 
branded as Talks.

I asked around but no one seems to know about a mailing list for that 
version specifically.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [SPAM] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Art Rizzino]

Thanks for the comments so far.
By the way where the wires came apart was near what I think is the transformer.
Since I have one of the talking multi meters would it be a good guess to set it 
to AC and check the thing that I assume is the transformer?  If DC by chance 
there will be no reading?  Probably not a good idea to attempt putting AC to 
the DC setting of the meter.
Electric testing probably is not my strong point.  I am not afraid of 
electrical but do respect it.
When using the meter, should I probe both terminals at the same time or should 
I check each one at a time going to ground?
Guidance please.
Thanks.
Art
  - Original Message - 
  From: Max Robinson 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:49 AM
  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell



  I respectfully disagree. The voltage to a doorbell is either 16 or 24 volts 
  always AC. The transformer has two terminals as noted. The bell has three 
  terminals, One is common. The second is the two chime sounder and the 
  third one is the one chime sounder. One connection on the transformer goes 
  to the common on the bell. The other terminal on the transformer goes to 
  both buttons. The return from each button goes to the remaining two 
  terminals on the bell. Usually the front door goes to the two chime sounder 
  and the back door goes to the one chime sounder. You may have to experiment 
  to figure out which is the common. You will need assistance to push the 
  buttons anyway so if that help is sighted you might as well have her read 
  the labels on the bell box.

  Regards.

  Max. K 4 O D S.

  Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com

  Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net
  Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net
  Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com

  To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to.
  funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com

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  - Original Message - 
  From: "Bob Kennedy" 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

  > The voltage should be 12 volts DC. I don't know which terminals are live 
  > or ground though. You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only 
  > have a bit more than the hook at the ends. Then have someone work the 
  > door bell, or tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live. Then you 
  > can make the individual contacts and see which way works.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Art Rizzino
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
  >
  >
  >
  > I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The 
  > wiring always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic 
  > and my shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well 
  > I guess this is the time to figure out the system and make better 
  > connections than twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires 
  > dangle. This is how it was when we bought the house.
  >
  > The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.
  >
  > I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it.
  >
  > The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are 
  > three terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one 
  > from each set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?
  >
  > What might be the voltage required to activate one of the doorbells?
  >
  > There is what I assume is an AC to DC transformer included in the system. 
  > This little box only has two terminals on it, is this a typically a steady 
  > DC voltage supply?
  >
  > What might be the correct way to connect the wires for such a system?
  >
  > Ideas, guidance and suggestions welcome.
  >
  > Thanks.
  >
  > Art
  >
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  >
  > Send any questions regarding list management to:
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  > To listen to the show archives go to link
  > 
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  > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon

[David Engebretson Jr.]

Yah, but they basically banished me for talking about windows mobile phones 
using talks.  They are all about the Nokia version.

shrug.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Trouble 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon



  This is the last list I have heard about talks.
  http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks

  At 10:22 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:
  >
  >
  >I have been searching high and low for a 
  >community of people who are using Talks for 
  >their Moto Q9. Does anyone know of such a 
  >community? Is anyone else using Talks with the 
  >Moto Q9? Is this off topic for this list? I have 
  >my cell phone with me while I'm working in my woodshop. smile.
  >
  >I can start a list on my own server, but thought 
  >I'd try and find a community out there already. 
  >I've Googled, called Verizon, looked on 
  >blindcooltech, called Nuance, Googled some more, but can't find squat...
  >
  >Any help would be much appreciated.
  >
  >Thanks,
  >David
  >
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  >

  Tim
  trouble
  Verizon FIOS support tech
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon

[Trouble]

This is the last list I have heard about talks.
http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks

At 10:22 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>I have been searching high and low for a 
>community of people who are using Talks for 
>their Moto Q9. Does anyone know of such a 
>community? Is anyone else using Talks with the 
>Moto Q9? Is this off topic for this list? I have 
>my cell phone with me while I'm working in my woodshop. smile.
>
>I can start a list on my own server, but thought 
>I'd try and find a community out there already. 
>I've Googled, called Verizon, looked on 
>blindcooltech, called Nuance, Googled some more, but can't find squat...
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tim
trouble
Verizon FIOS support tech
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[wstephan]

Dan:  I thought it would be really cool to use a cutting torch too, until I 
actualy did it.  I cut a gear shift handle out of an old deralict truck, and 
it's the only time I can recall actually being scared of a tool.  It's loud, 
and obviously you're going to need gloves a hood and a mask, and it's really 
hard to tell where you're actually cutting.  I had a sighted flunky er employee 
standing by to give directions, and I still managed to set the floor mats on 
fire.  And, that much cast iron would take a mighty long time to cut anyway.  I 
vote for shattering the thing.  Not only willl you accomplish your aim, but it 
could be a great stress reliever.  Maybe it could be a neighborhood thing, a 
case of beer or so, and invite the neighbors to come and show off how much arm 
strength and how well they can use a sledge.  I'd say a sixteen pound sledge 
would be about right for this, and then too, one of them is bound to have some 
kind of vehicle to use for disposing of the debris when
 you're done.


Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Dan Rossi 
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.
> Max wrote with regard to the removal of my cast iron radiator: 
> 
> > I'm betting that you will end up cutting it into smaller pieces 
> to get rid 
> > of it.  Maybe with a cutting torch? 
> 
> OOO BABY!  Now that sounds like fun. 
> 
> -- 
> Blue skies. 
> Dan Rossi 
> Carnegie Mellon University. 
> E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu 
> Tel: (412) 268-9081 
> 

[BlindHandyMan] Carving the Pig

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Dan,

Another option that came to mind is maybe cutting it with an angle grinder?

I figure, it'll take some time to do it, but maybe coordinate it with your 
wife so she's at the park with the little baby, that way she won't have to 
deal with the noise because I'm guessing you haven't made your basement 
sound proof yet.

Anyway, if you take it slow and easy, you should be able to cut right 
through that thing.

True, it'll take some grinding wheels to do it, but I think it's possible to 
do it.

Anyway, just a thought, after all, we pigs have to stick together.  Smile.

Victor 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.

[chiliblindman]

My remote wireless door chime is a Nutone mod LA-99N.  My children were little 
when I got it and both are in their 20's.
..bob

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.

[Kevin Doucet]

Bob,

What make and model do you have?

At 07:27 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>Battery powered doorbells work just fine. I have 
>had one for at least 8 years now. The batteries 
>last quite a long time and the distance between 
>the units is nice. I can take the unit to my 
>back deck and it works fine from the front door.
>...bob
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.

[Kevin Doucet]

I too am not satisfied with my battery door 
bells. Aside from the problem I had at first that 
every time my neighbor used their remote garage 
door opener it would send me to the side door 
when no one was there. I often wondered if when I 
pressed my door bell, whether their garage door, mysteriously,  went up.

After changing the frequency to overcome that 
problem, it is not dependable. I, at one point, 
after about 6 months of use, had to reposition 
the contacts inside the door bell button, 
pressing one one way and the other, 
slightly,  another way,  to get a good contact.

I also find that a person has to deliberately 
press the button for about a full second to 
activate it and that just is not the way people use a door bell.

At 01:38 AM 5/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>It is true that I live in a place with lots of
>humidity, but the button units did not get wet.
>Since I did not have a good experience, let's see what others think.
>Betsy
>At 08:28 PM 5/3/2010, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >so do you think I should bye one or not
> >Sent from My T-mobile Dash 3g.
> >Julio Morones
> >Keyboardist for Los Pintores De La Cumbia
> >MySpace page for the band www.myspace.com/pintores
> >Nickname Soda-pop
> >Email Address 
> jmoro...@ca.rr.com
> >Skype jmorones03
> >Klango Sodapop
> >Windows Live Messenger only
> > es03%40hotmail.com>jmorone...@hotmail.com
> >Home Phone 323-451-3633
> >Mobile Phone You can text as well. 323-842-0104
> >Los Angeles CA
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[BlindHandyMan] OT? Talks for Verizon

[David Engebretson Jr.]

I have been searching high and low for a community of people who are using 
Talks for their Moto Q9.  Does anyone know of such a community?  Is anyone else 
using Talks with the Moto Q9?  Is this off topic for this list?  I have my cell 
phone with me while I'm working in my woodshop.  smile.

I can start a list on my own server, but thought I'd try and find a community 
out there already.  I've Googled, called Verizon, looked on blindcooltech, 
called Nuance, Googled some more, but can't find squat...

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
David


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[Dale Leavens]

Rent the biggest monkey wrenches you can from a tool rental place and put your 
back into it. You'll probably get it apart. 

Then a heavy mallet and a cold chisel should separate the sections.

You will want good hearing protection I suspect.

Maybe even just a good few smacks with a sledge and you don't have to separate 
each and every section, probably into segments of two or three.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Rossi 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.



  I attempted to disassemble the radiator way back when, but it seemed that 
  I would need to cut at least the first section off since the bolts holding 
  it together were not inclined to move. And, with 90 plus years of paint 
  on it, I am not sure how inclined the pieces would be to separate of their 
  own accord.

  I could try getting someone to come take it away for scrap, but my guess 
  is that they might take one look at where I live and decide it isn't worth 
  the few bucks they would get to scrap the thing.

  If I decide not to hook it up for heat in the basement, I am sure that 
  judicious use of a sawsall with hack saw blade, sledge hammer, and crow 
  bar, will convince the various sections to disengage themselves.

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  Tel: (412) 268-9081


  

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.

[Dale Leavens]

They do have battery door bells and they now also have them with wireless 
buttons which you simply stick to the door frame. there are jumper pins so you 
can adjust the frequency so your door bell isn't set off by a neighbour's near 
by.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my woke
  - Original Message - 
  From: Julio and Los pintores De La Cumbia 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:46 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.



  hey doesn't home depo sell door bells that run on batterys and has anyone use 
them for their homes?
  Sent from My T-mobile Dash 3g.
  Julio Morones
  Keyboardist for Los Pintores De La Cumbia
  MySpace page for the band www.myspace.com/pintores
  Nickname Soda-pop
  Email Address jmoro...@ca.rr.com
  Skype jmorones03
  Klango Sodapop
  Windows Live Messenger only jmorone...@hotmail.com
  Home Phone 323-451-3633
  Mobile Phone You can text as well. 323-842-0104
  Los Angeles CA 

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[Jennifer Jackson]

tor, and Teresa 
  manned the camera for evidence at the coroner's inquest.

  Mark slid the sled forward to just before the center of gravity. He 
  lifted up the back end as I kept tension on the rope. With me belaying 
  the radiator, he was able to nudge the radiator forward until the sled 
  eased over and laid down on the ramp. From there, I was in control and 
  could easily belay the 400 pound pig down the ramp. It slid right over 
  the center 2X4 that was joining the upper and lower ramp segments 
  together. There was a bit of a bump there, but it did just fine. Within 
  a moment, the pig had bottomed out at the bottom of the ramp.

  I gave the belay line to Teresa and Mark and I eased our way down the ramp 
  and off the side of the stairs. With Teresa belaying from above, Mark and 
  I eased the pig forward until it was sitting fully on the basement floor. 
  We untied it and slid it over against the wall for temporary storage. 
  FWEW!! It took several hours of preparation and only about five minutes 
  of excitement, but the pig is now safely ensconced in the basement.

  We had beers all around and went out for dinner.

  Today, Teresa and I put the house back in order and we are fast 
  approaching doneness on the living room. WOOHOO!

  What a deal.

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  Tel: (412) 268-9081

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[Dan Rossi]

I attempted to disassemble the radiator way back when, but it seemed that 
I would need to cut at least the first section off since the bolts holding 
it together were not inclined to move.  And, with 90 plus years of paint 
on it, I am not sure how inclined the pieces would be to separate of their 
own accord.

I could try getting someone to come take it away for scrap, but my guess 
is that they might take one look at where I live and decide it isn't worth 
the few bucks they would get to scrap the thing.

If I decide not to hook it up for heat in the basement, I am sure that 
judicious use of a sawsall with hack saw blade, sledge hammer, and crow 
bar, will convince the various sections to disengage themselves.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Spiro]

fishing all that wire sounds like a giant waste of time. Aren't there more 
"wireless" solutions that do not sound like a cheap video game?





On Mon, 3 May 2010, Max Robinson wrote:

> I respectfully disagree.  The voltage to a doorbell is either 16 or 24 volts
> always AC.  The transformer has two terminals as noted.  The bell has three
> terminals,  One is common.  The second is the two chime sounder and the
> third one is the one chime sounder. One connection on the transformer goes
> to the common on the bell.  The other terminal on the transformer goes to
> both buttons.  The return from each button goes to the remaining two
> terminals on the bell.  Usually the front door goes to the two chime sounder
> and the back door goes to the one chime sounder.  You may have to experiment
> to figure out which is the common.  You will need assistance to push the
> buttons anyway so if that help is sighted you might as well have her read
> the labels on the bell box.
>
> Regards.
>
> Max.  K 4 O D S.
>
> Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Kennedy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
>
>
>> The voltage should be 12 volts DC.  I don't know which terminals are live
>> or ground though.  You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only
>> have a bit more than the hook at the ends.  Then have someone work the
>> door bell, or tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live.  Then you
>> can make the individual contacts and see which way works.
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Art Rizzino
>>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
>>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
>>
>>
>>
>>  I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The
>> wiring always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic
>> and my shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well
>> I guess this is the time to figure out the system and make better
>> connections than twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires
>> dangle. This is how it was when we bought the house.
>>
>>  The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.
>>
>>  I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it.
>>
>>  The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are
>> three terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one
>> from each set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?
>>
>>  What might be the voltage required to activate one of the doorbells?
>>
>>  There is what I assume is an AC to DC transformer included in the system.
>> This little box only has two terminals on it, is this a typically a steady
>> DC voltage supply?
>>
>>  What might be the correct way to connect the wires for such a system?
>>
>>  Ideas, guidance and suggestions welcome.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  Art
>>
>>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[Dan Rossi]

Max wrote with regard to the removal of my cast iron radiator:

> I'm betting that you will end up cutting it into smaller pieces to get rid
> of it.  Maybe with a cutting torch?

OOO BABY!  Now that sounds like fun.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Freakin termites.

[Paul Franklin]

the radiator forward until the sled 
  eased over and laid down on the ramp. From there, I was in control and 
  could easily belay the 400 pound pig down the ramp. It slid right over 
  the center 2X4 that was joining the upper and lower ramp segments 
  together. There was a bit of a bump there, but it did just fine. Within 
  a moment, the pig had bottomed out at the bottom of the ramp.

  I gave the belay line to Teresa and Mark and I eased our way down the ramp 
  and off the side of the stairs. With Teresa belaying from above, Mark and 
  I eased the pig forward until it was sitting fully on the basement floor. 
  We untied it and slid it over against the wall for temporary storage. 
  FWEW!! It took several hours of preparation and only about five minutes 
  of excitement, but the pig is now safely ensconced in the basement.

  We had beers all around and went out for dinner.

  Today, Teresa and I put the house back in order and we are fast 
  approaching doneness on the living room. WOOHOO!

  What a deal.

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] door bells.

[chiliblindman]

Battery powered doorbells work just fine.  I have had one for at least 8 years 
now.  The batteries last quite a long time and the distance between the units 
is nice.  I can take the unit to my back deck and it works fine from the front 
door.
...bob

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Ron Yearns]

I can only speak for the doorbell systems I have been into.  All have been A C. 
 most of the transformers are tri tapped being capable of 8, 10 or 16 volts.  
In my house since I had three chimes I had to run 24 volt.  The transformer may 
be almost anywhere.  Some I have saw fastened to a knock out on the panel box 
or a junction box in the attic or basement or even in the chime junction box.  
The chime for a front and back door have the three terminals.  One typically 
the center should be labeled common, tx or similar.  The other two, one will be 
labeled front and the other back.  If you ripped the wires off the chime unit 
as you seem to indicate then of the two pairs one wire from each pair will go 
to the front or back terminal.  The remaining two will be hooked together under 
the common or tx terminal.  That is the most likely set up.  Nothing is 
standard as to routing of wires etc.  You can tape the buttons down or remove 
them and twist the wires together for testing.  Just touch the wires to the 
chime when testing.  Don't fasten them down and then go to unhook the tied down 
buttons.  You can easily burn out the chime or transformer by operating it 
continuously.
Ron
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Kennedy 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell



  The voltage should be 12 volts DC. I don't know which terminals are live or 
ground though. You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only have a 
bit more than the hook at the ends. Then have someone work the door bell, or 
tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live. Then you can make the 
individual contacts and see which way works.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Art Rizzino 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

  I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The wiring 
always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic and my 
shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well I guess 
this is the time to figure out the system and make better connections than 
twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires dangle. This is how it was 
when we bought the house.

  The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.

  I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it. 

  The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are three 
terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one from each 
set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?

  What might be the voltage required to activate one of the doorbells?

  There is what I assume is an AC to DC transformer included in the system. 
This little box only has two terminals on it, is this a typically a steady DC 
voltage supply?

  What might be the correct way to connect the wires for such a system?

  Ideas, guidance and suggestions welcome.

  Thanks.

  Art

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Bob Kennedy]

Well I stand corrected on the voltage.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Max Robinson 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell



  I respectfully disagree. The voltage to a doorbell is either 16 or 24 volts 
  always AC. The transformer has two terminals as noted. The bell has three 
  terminals, One is common. The second is the two chime sounder and the 
  third one is the one chime sounder. One connection on the transformer goes 
  to the common on the bell. The other terminal on the transformer goes to 
  both buttons. The return from each button goes to the remaining two 
  terminals on the bell. Usually the front door goes to the two chime sounder 
  and the back door goes to the one chime sounder. You may have to experiment 
  to figure out which is the common. You will need assistance to push the 
  buttons anyway so if that help is sighted you might as well have her read 
  the labels on the bell box.

  Regards.

  Max. K 4 O D S.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: "Bob Kennedy" 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

  > The voltage should be 12 volts DC. I don't know which terminals are live 
  > or ground though. You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only 
  > have a bit more than the hook at the ends. Then have someone work the 
  > door bell, or tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live. Then you 
  > can make the individual contacts and see which way works.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Art Rizzino
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
  >
  >
  >
  > I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The 
  > wiring always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic 
  > and my shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well 
  > I guess this is the time to figure out the system and make better 
  > connections than twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires 
  > dangle. This is how it was when we bought the house.
  >
  > The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.
  >
  > I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it.
  >
  > The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are 
  > three terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one 
  > from each set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?
  >
  > What might be the voltage required to activate one of the doorbells?
  >
  > There is what I assume is an AC to DC transformer included in the system. 
  > This little box only has two terminals on it, is this a typically a steady 
  > DC voltage supply?
  >
  > What might be the correct way to connect the wires for such a system?
  >
  > Ideas, guidance and suggestions welcome.
  >
  > Thanks.
  >
  > Art
  >
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  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell

[Scott Howell]

Max, not all setups are 16 or 24 volts. I learned this the hard way when I made 
that assumption, purchased a doorbell to replace one that died, and after 
hooking it up, I blew it up. The doorbell required 12 volts and the one that 
died was 16 volts. That's when I got a meter and stopped blowing stuff up. grin.
On May 4, 2010, at 12:49 AM, Max Robinson wrote:

> I respectfully disagree. The voltage to a doorbell is either 16 or 24 volts 
> always AC. The transformer has two terminals as noted. The bell has three 
> terminals, One is common. The second is the two chime sounder and the 
> third one is the one chime sounder. One connection on the transformer goes 
> to the common on the bell. The other terminal on the transformer goes to 
> both buttons. The return from each button goes to the remaining two 
> terminals on the bell. Usually the front door goes to the two chime sounder 
> and the back door goes to the one chime sounder. You may have to experiment 
> to figure out which is the common. You will need assistance to push the 
> buttons anyway so if that help is sighted you might as well have her read 
> the labels on the bell box.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Max. K 4 O D S.
> 
> Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Kennedy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
> 
> > The voltage should be 12 volts DC. I don't know which terminals are live 
> > or ground though. You can tape over the bear wires to the point you only 
> > have a bit more than the hook at the ends. Then have someone work the 
> > door bell, or tape a couple coins to the button to keep it live. Then you 
> > can make the individual contacts and see which way works.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Art Rizzino
> > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:32 PM
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Diagnosing a doorbell
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like guidance diagnosing my house two door doorbell setup. The 
> > wiring always looked shaky to me. Today I was coming down out of the attic 
> > and my shirt got caught on the door bell wires and pulled them apart. Well 
> > I guess this is the time to figure out the system and make better 
> > connections than twisting wires together and let exposed bear wires 
> > dangle. This is how it was when we bought the house.
> >
> > The front door you hear two tones and the side door there is one tone.
> >
> > I assume each door's button should have two wires coming from it.
> >
> > The doorbell box has four wires in two pairs of two wires. There are 
> > three terminals in the doorbell box, the center terminal has two wires one 
> > from each set. What is the center terminal, negative or positive?
> >
> > What might be the voltage required to activate one of the doorbells?
> >
> > There is what I assume is an AC to DC transformer included in the system. 
> > This little box only has two terminals on it, is this a typically a steady 
> > DC voltage supply?
> >
> > What might be the correct way to connect the wires for such a system?
> >
> > Ideas, guidance and suggestions welcome.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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