Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
I replaced my water heating tank a month ago with a 40 gallon, supposedly high efficiency, tank heater. I made the decision to do it this way based on the following. I'm not convinced that North American manufacturers have perfected the on demand systems as sold in Europe. I'm not convinced that the larger units can supply sufficient on demand water at the temperature and volumes required. For eight months out of the year, at least, any heat lost from the hot water tank contributes to the overall heating of my home, hence, is not lost heat. The plumbers I called had insufficient experience installing these devices. At the moment, the cost of installation, the cost of the device, and the potential cost and the potential cost of parts/maintenance, was higher than I was prepared to pay. Time may change the numbers, but I had to deal with now. Geoff - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I vaguely remember someone telling me that these types of water heaters are more corrosive on water pipes. Then again, I may be thinking of those instant hot water models. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:12 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Ok, I've heard a bit about these tankless waterheaters. So, here are a couple of questions for those who have them. 1. Are they considerably more expensive than a conventual waterheater. 2. How do they work, I mean do they just heat water that is flowing through them at the time so I guess you'd say on demand heating.How fast do they get up to speed so as your taking a shower, you don't run out of hot water. 3. Do they connect in the same way as a conventual unit. 4. Are they good for lets say a 3 person house? 5. Are there any drawbacks to these units and do they really save you money? tnx Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
I haven't finished Ray's post yet but I did save it for possible posting on the site. The unit I saw back in 2005 was a residential model so obviously didn't have quite that capacity. They're strange looking animals though, I will say that. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Dave, The tankless heaters in Ray's post were some big-ass heaters, 185 thousand BTU, I forget the supply, but I think one of them was 340 gallons per hour. They all said they could drive two showers. Most of the units I've looked at do not have that kind of capacity. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Hi Everyone Big Help for Hot Water Tankless water heaters have been in use all over the world for fifty years, largely because of smaller homes and higher energy costs outside the United States. In fact, tank water heaters are only used in the U.S. As natural gas and LP prices rise (as they have for the past decade) it will cost consumers more to heat water. Imagine cutting water heating costs by 50 to 70 percent - think tankless water heaters. Tankless water heaters - often called on demand water heaters - only heat water when needed. Tank water heaters, on the other hand, keep the water hot all of the time and, when on standby, loose about 6 degrees an hour. Heat in the form of Btu's also escapes up through the flue pipe constantly. Tank water heaters are incredibly inefficient and yet are used in the majority of American homes. Tank water heaters have a life expectancy of around 10 years, depending on incoming water quality. Tankless water heaters, on the other hand have a life expectancy of 20 plus years and carry a warranty on the heat exchanger from 10 to 15 years (depending on the manufacturer). A tankless water heater can save about 70 percent of natural gas or LP expense a year for heating water except when the Teenage Daughter Factor comes into play - more on this later. The major differences, aside from energy savings, are a gain in floor space of about 20 square feet and an endless supply of hot water. Tankless water heaters come equipped with the latest water heating technology and, as a result, sell for around one thousand dollars. The payback period will depend on how much hot water is used in the home. The more hot water used, the faster the payback. Tankless water heaters are a good choice for singles or small families simply because the demand for hot water is not as great as for a large family. And yet, a small family pays for heating water 24/7 with a tank water heater. The Teenage Daughter Factor: While it is true that tankless water heaters can help you realize a substantial savings in gas consumption, this may not be possible in all cases. For example, if you now have a teenager (son or daughter) who likes to spend a lot of time in the shower - to the point of using all of the hot water in the home - you will probably use more gas than you presently do. This is because a tankless water heater never runs out of hot water with the end result being that the previously 20-minute shower can now run forever, or until you lay down some shower-length rules. A Closer Look In this short article we will look at gas-fired (natural gas or LP) tankless water heaters that offer an endless supply of hot water for an entire two-bath home. Also available are electrically powered tankless water heaters and point-of-use tankless water heaters, which will not be covered here. For optimum efficiency, tankless water heaters should be centrally located in the home, as this will reduce the time required to get hot water to a tap or faucet. Keep in mind that water is not heated until needed. In fact, the heater will not turn on until a hot-water tap is opened. If the tankless water heater is located on the far end of a home, it may take a minute or two for hot water to begin flowing from the tap. Tankless water heaters are controlled by a small computer and a bunch of sensors, which note the temperature of the incoming cold water and a number of other operational factors. When a tap is opened, the computer determines the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of the incoming water to the desired hot-water temperature. Then the burner is electronically fired up - there is no pilot light - and the incoming water is heated to the desired temperature as it passes through the heat exchanger. The end result is an endless supply of hot water. When the hot water tap is closed, the burner is turned off and the exhaust fan turns on to vent the unit. We will look at three of the top gas-fired tankless water heaters currently in use in modern American homes: the Takagi TK-2 Flash Water Heater, the Rinnai Continuum and the Bosch AquaStar 250SX. All of these heaters are top of the line and ideal for supplying an unlimited supply of hot water for the average or large home. While the Takagi and Rinnai heaters can only be purchased and installed by a licensed installer, the Bosch AquaStar is available at home centers and can be installed by a homeowner. Installing a tankless water heater in new construction is easier than installing in a remodel. Part of the reason for this is that because gas-fired tankless water heaters are capable of generating a great amount of Btu's (up to 195,000 Btu's on start-up) an adequate supply of gas must be available to the unit. Gas piping must therefore be sized properly. A gas shut-off valve must be installed below the tankless hot water heater so the unit can be serviced if required. Generally speaking, 3/4-inch black iron pipe can be run up to about 20 feet of
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Aloha, Do you think that these will work on propane? We are watching our waterheater, thinking that it may be getting old. Betsy At 10:57 AM 2/8/2007, you wrote: Hi Everyone Big Help for Hot Water Tankless water heaters have been in use all over the world for fifty years, largely because of smaller homes and higher energy costs outside the United States. In fact, tank water heaters are only used in the U.S. As natural gas and LP prices rise (as they have for the past decade) it will cost consumers more to heat water. Imagine cutting water heating costs by 50 to 70 percent - think tankless water heaters. Tankless water heaters - often called on demand water heaters - only heat water when needed. Tank water heaters, on the other hand, keep the water hot all of the time and, when on standby, loose about 6 degrees an hour. Heat in the form of Btu's also escapes up through the flue pipe constantly. Tank water heaters are incredibly inefficient and yet are used in the majority of American homes. Tank water heaters have a life expectancy of around 10 years, depending on incoming water quality. Tankless water heaters, on the other hand have a life expectancy of 20 plus years and carry a warranty on the heat exchanger from 10 to 15 years (depending on the manufacturer). A tankless water heater can save about 70 percent of natural gas or LP expense a year for heating water except when the Teenage Daughter Factor comes into play - more on this later. The major differences, aside from energy savings, are a gain in floor space of about 20 square feet and an endless supply of hot water. Tankless water heaters come equipped with the latest water heating technology and, as a result, sell for around one thousand dollars. The payback period will depend on how much hot water is used in the home. The more hot water used, the faster the payback. Tankless water heaters are a good choice for singles or small families simply because the demand for hot water is not as great as for a large family. And yet, a small family pays for heating water 24/7 with a tank water heater. The Teenage Daughter Factor: While it is true that tankless water heaters can help you realize a substantial savings in gas consumption, this may not be possible in all cases. For example, if you now have a teenager (son or daughter) who likes to spend a lot of time in the shower - to the point of using all of the hot water in the home - you will probably use more gas than you presently do. This is because a tankless water heater never runs out of hot water with the end result being that the previously 20-minute shower can now run forever, or until you lay down some shower-length rules. A Closer Look In this short article we will look at gas-fired (natural gas or LP) tankless water heaters that offer an endless supply of hot water for an entire two-bath home. Also available are electrically powered tankless water heaters and point-of-use tankless water heaters, which will not be covered here. For optimum efficiency, tankless water heaters should be centrally located in the home, as this will reduce the time required to get hot water to a tap or faucet. Keep in mind that water is not heated until needed. In fact, the heater will not turn on until a hot-water tap is opened. If the tankless water heater is located on the far end of a home, it may take a minute or two for hot water to begin flowing from the tap. Tankless water heaters are controlled by a small computer and a bunch of sensors, which note the temperature of the incoming cold water and a number of other operational factors. When a tap is opened, the computer determines the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of the incoming water to the desired hot-water temperature. Then the burner is electronically fired up - there is no pilot light - and the incoming water is heated to the desired temperature as it passes through the heat exchanger. The end result is an endless supply of hot water. When the hot water tap is closed, the burner is turned off and the exhaust fan turns on to vent the unit. We will look at three of the top gas-fired tankless water heaters currently in use in modern American homes: the Takagi TK-2 Flash Water Heater, the Rinnai Continuum and the Bosch AquaStar 250SX. All of these heaters are top of the line and ideal for supplying an unlimited supply of hot water for the average or large home. While the Takagi and Rinnai heaters can only be purchased and installed by a licensed installer, the Bosch AquaStar is available at home centers and can be installed by a homeowner. Installing a tankless water heater in new construction is easier than installing in a remodel. Part of the reason for this is that because gas-fired tankless water heaters are capable of generating a great amount of Btu's (up to 195,000 Btu's on start-up) an adequate supply of gas must be available to the unit. Gas piping must therefore be sized properly. A gas shut-off valve must be installed
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Absolutely. LP they refer to is Liquid Propane. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Aloha, Do you think that these will work on propane? We are watching our waterheater, thinking that it may be getting old. Betsy At 10:57 AM 2/8/2007, you wrote: Hi Everyone Big Help for Hot Water Tankless water heaters have been in use all over the world for fifty years, largely because of smaller homes and higher energy costs outside the United States. In fact, tank water heaters are only used in the U.S. As natural gas and LP prices rise (as they have for the past decade) it will cost consumers more to heat water. Imagine cutting water heating costs by 50 to 70 percent - think tankless water heaters. Tankless water heaters - often called on demand water heaters - only heat water when needed. Tank water heaters, on the other hand, keep the water hot all of the time and, when on standby, loose about 6 degrees an hour. Heat in the form of Btu's also escapes up through the flue pipe constantly. Tank water heaters are incredibly inefficient and yet are used in the majority of American homes. Tank water heaters have a life expectancy of around 10 years, depending on incoming water quality. Tankless water heaters, on the other hand have a life expectancy of 20 plus years and carry a warranty on the heat exchanger from 10 to 15 years (depending on the manufacturer). A tankless water heater can save about 70 percent of natural gas or LP expense a year for heating water except when the Teenage Daughter Factor comes into play - more on this later. The major differences, aside from energy savings, are a gain in floor space of about 20 square feet and an endless supply of hot water. Tankless water heaters come equipped with the latest water heating technology and, as a result, sell for around one thousand dollars. The payback period will depend on how much hot water is used in the home. The more hot water used, the faster the payback. Tankless water heaters are a good choice for singles or small families simply because the demand for hot water is not as great as for a large family. And yet, a small family pays for heating water 24/7 with a tank water heater. The Teenage Daughter Factor: While it is true that tankless water heaters can help you realize a substantial savings in gas consumption, this may not be possible in all cases. For example, if you now have a teenager (son or daughter) who likes to spend a lot of time in the shower - to the point of using all of the hot water in the home - you will probably use more gas than you presently do. This is because a tankless water heater never runs out of hot water with the end result being that the previously 20-minute shower can now run forever, or until you lay down some shower-length rules. A Closer Look In this short article we will look at gas-fired (natural gas or LP) tankless water heaters that offer an endless supply of hot water for an entire two-bath home. Also available are electrically powered tankless water heaters and point-of-use tankless water heaters, which will not be covered here. For optimum efficiency, tankless water heaters should be centrally located in the home, as this will reduce the time required to get hot water to a tap or faucet. Keep in mind that water is not heated until needed. In fact, the heater will not turn on until a hot-water tap is opened. If the tankless water heater is located on the far end of a home, it may take a minute or two for hot water to begin flowing from the tap. Tankless water heaters are controlled by a small computer and a bunch of sensors, which note the temperature of the incoming cold water and a number of other operational factors. When a tap is opened, the computer determines the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of the incoming water to the desired hot-water temperature. Then the burner is electronically fired up - there is no pilot light - and the incoming water is heated to the desired temperature as it passes through the heat exchanger. The end result is an endless supply of hot water. When the hot water tap is closed, the burner is turned off and the exhaust fan turns on to vent the unit. We will look at three of the top gas-fired tankless water heaters currently in use in modern American homes: the Takagi TK-2 Flash Water Heater, the Rinnai Continuum and the Bosch AquaStar 250SX. All of these heaters are top of the line and ideal for supplying an unlimited supply of hot water for the average or large home. While the Takagi and Rinnai heaters can only be purchased and installed by a licensed installer, the Bosch AquaStar is available at home centers and can be installed
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
I vaguely remember someone telling me that these types of water heaters are more corrosive on water pipes. Then again, I may be thinking of those instant hot water models. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:12 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
The main thing as I understand the animal is they can supply hot water for only a single use at a time. So don't try running the dish washer and your laundry washer at the same time. Other than that they do sound quite a good thing to me. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
I used and installed the tankless hot water heater in my old house. I can say they are very energy efficient and the unit lasted for 8 years. The cost was about $1000, but I believe I got my money back in 5 years or less. - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I vaguely remember someone telling me that these types of water heaters are more corrosive on water pipes. Then again, I may be thinking of those instant hot water models. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:12 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
It depends on the size of the unit and how far the water has to travel. In our old house, we could run any two outlets at any time without having a problem. This included the dishwasher, washer, and shower. If this tank we now have goes bad, I plan on replacing it with one of the waterless hot water unit. I did have a natural gas unit, and don't know how the electric unit stacks up. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water The main thing as I understand the animal is they can supply hot water for only a single use at a time. So don't try running the dish washer and your laundry washer at the same time. Other than that they do sound quite a good thing to me. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
What's a waterless hot water unit? sorry it's just too silly an idea not to ask! Not that I ever make smelling mis takes of coarse! tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
If your tankless water heater was gas, then the pilot light was always on? If so, was there still a savings in your utility bill? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rj Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:21 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water It depends on the size of the unit and how far the water has to travel. In our old house, we could run any two outlets at any time without having a problem. This included the dishwasher, washer, and shower. If this tank we now have goes bad, I plan on replacing it with one of the waterless hot water unit. I did have a natural gas unit, and don't know how the electric unit stacks up. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water The main thing as I understand the animal is they can supply hot water for only a single use at a time. So don't try running the dish washer and your laundry washer at the same time. Other than that they do sound quite a good thing to me. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Yes, I had two of the tankless tanks over the years and both were the mid size model and everything from the unit was within thirty feet. Planning, once this new tanks gives out in our new house going back to the tankless. RJ - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water So were you able to run the washer and take a shower at the same time? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rj Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:05 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I used and installed the tankless hot water heater in my old house. I can say they are very energy efficient and the unit lasted for 8 years. The cost was about $1000, but I believe I got my money back in 5 years or less. - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I vaguely remember someone telling me that these types of water heaters are more corrosive on water pipes. Then again, I may be thinking of those instant hot water models. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:12 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
You are right, the water heater does have a Pilot light. I saved about $20 a month after replacing the old regular tank and the gas company did change the meter, thinking some thing was wrong. Why I didn't put one of the tankless in this house, I will never know. RJ - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water If your tankless water heater was gas, then the pilot light was always on? If so, was there still a savings in your utility bill? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rj Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:21 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water It depends on the size of the unit and how far the water has to travel. In our old house, we could run any two outlets at any time without having a problem. This included the dishwasher, washer, and shower. If this tank we now have goes bad, I plan on replacing it with one of the waterless hot water unit. I did have a natural gas unit, and don't know how the electric unit stacks up. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water The main thing as I understand the animal is they can supply hot water for only a single use at a time. So don't try running the dish washer and your laundry washer at the same time. Other than that they do sound quite a good thing to me. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
Dave, The tankless heaters in Ray's post were some big-ass heaters, 185 thousand BTU, I forget the supply, but I think one of them was 340 gallons per hour. They all said they could drive two showers. Most of the units I've looked at do not have that kind of capacity. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water
hi, I have a electric tankless water heater it's the smallest one they make. Got it at home depot it's just fine for me because I live alone now. But be sure that you have enough power to run it the one I have needs 80 amps for the two electric coils that are in it but I still save about $20 a month... - Original Message - From: rj To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Yes, I had two of the tankless tanks over the years and both were the mid size model and everything from the unit was within thirty feet. Planning, once this new tanks gives out in our new house going back to the tankless. RJ - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water So were you able to run the washer and take a shower at the same time? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rj Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:05 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I used and installed the tankless hot water heater in my old house. I can say they are very energy efficient and the unit lasted for 8 years. The cost was about $1000, but I believe I got my money back in 5 years or less. - Original Message - From: tunecollector To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water I vaguely remember someone telling me that these types of water heaters are more corrosive on water pipes. Then again, I may be thinking of those instant hot water models. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:12 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Big Help For Hot Water Hmm, I have been looking at tankless heaters for a while now, this article is good, but seems a bit over enthusiastic. For example, not all of these heaters are pilotless. The three reviewed appear to be, but there are cheaper models that use a standing pilot. I have even read about a unit that uses the flowing water to ignite the flame so it doesn't require a power hookup for that. I don't know what size hot water tanks they were comparing, but I don't think I would get back 20 square feet of basement if I went with one of these. My hot water tank takes up half of that with a bit of clearance around it. Never-the-less, I am definitely interested in these puppies. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ NOD32 2046 (20070208) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
