Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-17 Thread Lee A. Stone

Art,  dumping in to the sewer plant is correct, to much load, but if you 
do not have a storm system where does the water go  if you just pump 
outside. many communites under new grant programs are  redoing their  
town and city underground pipes , thus adding those storm drains. as 
stated in a previous post , under a normal rainfall it is not a problem. 
Lee
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-17 Thread Art Rizzino
Dan valid point about the backup finding another path to flood your
basement.  Where I have seen this work nicely there were no basement
plumbing fixtures.
Now if the floor drain is only connected to the storm drain system and there
are no other paths to the inside of the house then still could be a possible
solution.
Art
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 This house was built in the 1920s and back then it was not uncommon to
 have the rain gutters tied into the sewer system.  I am guessing that they
 didn't even treat the sewage back then, they just let it all run into the
 rivers around here.  So, not much of a surprise to find that my
 downspouts are going into the main line.

 Art, if you plug up the central drain, won't the water just come out of
 the next available place, namely the toilet in the basement or the sink?
 I don't see that as being much better.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-17 Thread Lee A. Stone

I am not in favor of spending extra bucks Dan or anyone else that knows 
me. but the camera does not lie. best money you could invest is withthat  
camera which can lead to the main system. Lee



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-15 Thread Lee A. Stone

ayup Dan, been there and done that. Might I suggest you use a simple 
toilet bowl plunger and wedge it into that floor drain.  water will take 
the path of least resistance  as you know. sometimes just plugging that 
floor dram will do it. In case of furthe action  maybe an investment in 
a submursible pump  would not hurt. one that will pump water down to one 
quarter of   an inch offf that cellar floor.. and the list goes on. if 
those gutters feed into that dram as you say, then they need to be 
cleaned on a  regular basis at least semin annually as that crap will 
plug up a trap quicker than  one might think.. Lee



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-15 Thread Tom Fowle
Lee,
Don't bother with the second floor apartment, your luck you'll
get blown away by a tornado. GRIN

sorry havn't found a good ref for the wheel chair ramps yet,
still checking.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.

2006-09-15 Thread Max Robinson
In most places it's illegal to put storm water down a regular sewer line.  I 
think we know the reason now.

Regards.

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] The great flood of o6.


 Well, we've had our first minor disaster here at Shay Rossi.  Tuesday
 night Teresa went down to the basement to do some laundry.  She yelled
 up, there's been an accident.  We had recently done a bunch of cleaning
 up and rearranging the basement and I thought possibly the shelves had
 collapsed or the stack of coolers had fallen over.  I went down to the
 basement and splashed into water not far from the bottom of the staircase.

 There was a rather large pool of water in the center of the floor around
 the main central drain.  I checked the water heater, the furnace, and
 examined the the rest of the floor.  The water hadn't come from the walls,
 the water heater, the furnace or anywhere obvious.  The water had come up
 threw the floor drain.

 It had been raining and our down spouts are tied into the main drain so I
 surmised that either the main sewer line was overwhelmed, or that our
 connection to the sewer line was blocked.  My neighbors didn't have water
 in their basements so I figured the problem was with my connection to the
 main line.

 Teresa and I started baling water into five gallon buckets and then
 hauling the buckets up and out of the house.  We probably dumped about 30
 gallons.  I called a plumber and they said they would call in the morning
 to make arrangements for a visit.  Since it had stopped raining and no
 more water was coming up the drain I figured we could hold off on using
 much water in the house and we would be fine.

 The plumber called bright and early at 8:30 on Wednesday and told me they
 couldn't come until noon on Thursday.  I asked if they really couldn't
 come on Wednesday and they said they were booked.  I agreed and went to
 work.

 We got home on Wednesday night and all was still OK in the basement.
 After dinner, I started putting together a new computer desk for Teresa.
 Around 9:00 PM the rain and thunder started.  Shortly after I heard Teresa
 yell from the basement.  Water was literally gushing up from the drain and
 was rising fast.  I ran to a neighbors house and grabbed a tiny little
 piece of crap pump that I heard he had.  I got back to the basement and
 the water was now about five inches deep at the center and just reaching
 the left and right walls.  We picked up the few things on the floor that
 were in danger, and that were pick upable.  I got the pump running with a
 hose out the window, but it was pathetically small.  I grabbed a garden
 hose and ran that out the window and then filled a five gallon bucket with
 water and sat it up on a table and then got a siphon going.  Then it was
 up to Teresa and I to make sure we kept the five gallon bucket full.  The
 rain slacked off, the water stopped rising, and we eventually got ahead of
 it.  After an hour and a half of working hard, (we were managing about
 four gallons a minute on the siphon and about two gallons a minute on the
 pump) we got the basement unflooded.

 A couple of rugs didn't make it, some fiber board got soaked on one edge,
 and one of my old parachutes got wet.  Everything else seemed to survive
 OK.  I had to go back down around 12:30 AM to bale about another six or
 eight gallons, but the rain had stopped.

 The plumber came today and snaked out the line but he said there is still
 some kind of blockage as he was not able to get all the way from the trap
 at the back of the house through to the main trap at the front.  But water
 is flowing nicely again.  Not sure what the blockage may be, but hopefully
 water will continue to flow unimpeded for the foreseeable future.

 Teresa and I spent this evening mopping and wiping down everything in
 sight with bleach water.  It was mainly just rain water flooding the
 basement, but still it was coming back up through the line that sewage
 typically goes down, so we wanted to make sure we got everything clean.
 We have a couple of fans running in there now hoping to get things dried
 out.

 What a pain in the ass.  Now I know how Lee feels.

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