Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
OK good info. Ok if you can access the site through the web, look for the on demand link, click and look for the blind handy man/ blind like me show's. Best Don - Original Message - From: Linda To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi Don, I was able to access the web site and put it in my favorites. But I wasn't able to click on it from your email. I think this new address has some quirks that need to be fixed. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
Hi Don, I was able to access the web site and put it in my favorites. But I wasn't able to click on it from your email. I think this new address has some quirks that need to be fixed. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hello Linda, try this new link for the handy show's. http://hyperurl.com/6a3 Let me know if it works. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Linda To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Don, Thank you for the welcome. It's neat that you have audio shows. I tried to click on the link given in your email and it didn't work. Another strange thing that happened was that although I deleted all the messages I read yesterday they are all still in my in-box. I know wrong place to mention this. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Don, Thank you for the welcome. It's neat that you have audio shows. I tried to click on the link given in your email and it didn't work. Another strange thing that happened was that although I deleted all the messages I read yesterday they are all still in my in-box. I know wrong place to mention this. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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That's for sure, everybody gets a chance to contribute on here, you have my word on that. David Ferrin Blind Handy Man List owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Welcome Linda, Gaads eeks, if we had any signifficant sexism on this list, many of our finest contributors would kill off the offendors with my help. We strongly encourage everybody who cares at all to contribute. Hope your neighbor copes and can add to the list and get something from it too. best Tom Fowle Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Welcome Linda, Gaads eeks, if we had any signifficant sexism on this list, many of our finest contributors would kill off the offendors with my help. We strongly encourage everybody who cares at all to contribute. Hope your neighbor copes and can add to the list and get something from it too. best Tom Fowle Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered
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Hello Linda, I'm not Victor, but I will say welcome to the list. Sure your welcome. there are several women here on this list. This is a great list. a wealth of information right here. Your neighbor could sure learn to do these things. Phil me and a group here record a show called the blind handy man. We have done 200 show's now. if your neighbor wants to listen to some of them the link follows. http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Click on a show number your favorite player should come up and you can listen to that show. again welcome, regards don - Original Message - From: Linda To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi Victor, This is taking me some courage to write this since I know virtually nothing about floors, but we just had new flooring laid down in our kitchen, I believe it's the kind you snap together with no little grooves between the tiles. They didn't do anything to the linoleum underneath as it looked very sound. There is a 25-year warranty on the flooring, but just one year on the labor. I hope I'm allowed to be on this list as a woman. Actually I subscribed mainly to see what it's like as I have a blind neighbor who is just getting into the computer. He is a real handyman, or was, before he lost his sight very suddenly. I think he might have a lot of interesting contributions to make. He used to own a hardware store too, or manage one, I'm not sure. He did a lot of remodeling before. I'm hoping this list will be a real encouragement to him, so I'm just checking it out. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Victor, This is taking me some courage to write this since I know virtually nothing about floors, but we just had new flooring laid down in our kitchen, I believe it's the kind you snap together with no little grooves between the tiles. They didn't do anything to the linoleum underneath as it looked very sound. There is a 25-year warranty on the flooring, but just one year on the labor. I hope I'm allowed to be on this list as a woman. Actually I subscribed mainly to see what it's like as I have a blind neighbor who is just getting into the computer. He is a real handyman, or was, before he lost his sight very suddenly. I think he might have a lot of interesting contributions to make. He used to own a hardware store too, or manage one, I'm not sure. He did a lot of remodeling before. I'm hoping this list will be a real encouragement to him, so I'm just checking it out. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
Excellent resource. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Victor, Here is a web site you amy want to read. It may be able to answer the questions you are concerned about. http://www.thetiledoctor.com/installations/floors.cfm - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi RJ, I'm afraid that would not be an option, as that would lift the floor to a height that would be unreasonably tall. The addition of the 1/2 inch cement board, in addition to the thicker tiles would be higher than I'm willing to step from a living room into a kitchen, but thanks for the thought. Victor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Victor, I will begin by saying I have very limited experience with ceramic flooring. My understanding though from studying the subject a little and why I don't have any here is: Laying tile on a wooden substrate presents two problems, both related to movement of the wood. The first is expansion and contraction of the wood with changes in humidity and to a lesser extent the movement of the tile and it's bed due mostly to temperature. The other is movement due to flex, as you say, movement caused as you move across the floor causing shifting. If the floor tends to shudder as you stomp about then you need reinforcement under it, sistering additional joists or additional posts holding it up from underneath. This isn't probably practical. Unless the floor feels a little spongy and it seems to be spaced like between the joists then replacing the decking won't likely make a lot of difference. On the other hand a couple or four sheets of good dense plywood will only add a couple of hundred dollars of cost and it is an option to be left open. It is possible that some part of the floor has got wet at some time and has deteriorated under the tiles which should become obvious when the mortar bed is removed. If there is already a transition up to the tiles and building it up a little higher with thicker plywood subfloor you might also consider that. Usually 5/8ths is used, you could go to quarter inch or even thicker at a little more cost but a lot more rigidity. If the joists though are deflecting as you walk about this won't help. While they have the wood up though you might be able to sister in more wood or gain some additional rigidity by cross bracing between the joists at fairly close intervals. The builders won't like doing it much and will probably have to use 'X' braces to allow for wiring or pipes, you could also use short lengths, 14 and a quarter inches or so long lengths of the joist material 2 by 10 or what ever where there are no obstructions like pipes though. Additional bracing will significantly reduce deflection of the joists and help to share what does exist across adjacent joists. If you line the bracing up near end-to-end any deflection can be nearly eliminated. Finally, I have seen several times on those television programmes where they lay down a rubber like membrane over the wood subfloor before the bed of mortar into which the tiles are set. This is to eliminate the sheering force between the moving wood surface and the rigid and inflexible mortar and tiles. The membrane sheers and not the bond between the wood and the mortar. this apparently substantially reduces the failure rate of the mortar bed which will substantially improve the tile bond and reduce the opportunity for cracking and failure. Now I have never known anyone around here to have used it, most though have only used ceramic tiles in small areas like entrance ways and such and none I know have had it long. It may be common in the city where there is a lot more ceramic tile used but it is something you might like to ask about. That is about everything I know about the subject and remember I don't have any direct experience, it is what I would do in your position. I hope this helps if even just a little. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: Blind Handyman Listserv Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi Folks, Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me their own interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen floor, so I'm wondering what you all think. I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor upstairs. I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already have up there, as my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how to go about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One says that I should rip everything up, and just lay down three quarter or five eighths inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I should be fine. The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as it feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good scratch coat to it, and install the new tiles. As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing in at around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy weight. Add to that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the house, so we're talking a great deal of traffic and with a five year-old running around, we're bound to get some spills and food stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not th
RE: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
Victor, If the current tiles are cracked and coming up, that makes me think that your current floor isn't sturdy enough for tiles. If something isn't done to strengthen the floor, you will have the same problems with the new tiles. My recommendation is to tare down to the sub floor. Put 3 inch deck screws through the sub floor in to the floor joists. Eliminate as many squeaks an bouncy spots you can. Determine your sub floor thickness, mine was 5/8. Most are 3/4. before the tile goes down, you want your floor to be a total thickness of 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches. Put down a layer of plywood 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 depending on the floor height you want. I went with 3/4. put the plywood down with Liquid Nail sub floor adhesive, and the 3 inch deck screws going in to the floor joists. Make sure the seems over lap the seems of the sub floor. Leave a 1/4 inch gap between the plywood and walls. next is a layer of 1/4 inch concrete backer board. I used Durarock. Put down a layer of thinset, I used a 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 notched trawl. put the backer board on the thinset, and kind of slide it or twist it into place, this helps even out the thinset. Use roofing nails or concrete backer board screws to hold the backer board down. this is a matter of personal preference, I used the screws. leave a 1/4 gap between the backer board and walls. place fiberglass mesh tape over the seems, and apply a thin layer of thinset. Then lay your tile. A bead of caulk between the wall and floor. Replace your base molding, cabinets, appliances, etc... Done... This is how I did my bathroom floor, and the floor was bouncy when I started, now I, almost 300 lbs, can jump on the floor and it don't move. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 05:10 To: Blind Handyman Listserv Subject: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi Folks, Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me their own interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen floor, so I'm wondering what you all think. I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor upstairs. I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already have up there, as my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how to go about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One says that I should rip everything up, and just lay down three quarter or five eighths inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I should be fine. The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as it feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good scratch coat to it, and install the new tiles. As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing in at around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy weight. Add to that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the house, so we're talking a great deal of traffic and with a five year-old running around, we're bound to get some spills and food stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not that clean an eater either. In any case, which contractor is right. Can you make an argument for going with the scratch coat alone, or ripping up the sub-floor altogether and installing the plywood without the scratch coat? I should also note that the scratch coat would also entail laying down the wire mesh, so I guess that would make the scratch coat even stronger, but I'm still hesitant to do this, as I have had two contractors tell me that I should rip up the sub-floor in the kitchen and start from the bottom up. Any ideas? Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
I would pull up all the tiles and then see just how the sub flooring looks and feels. if you find weak spots. Then replace it all. At 06:09 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me >their own interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen >floor, so I'm wondering what you all think. > >I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor >upstairs. I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already >have up there, as my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. > >Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. > >In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how >to go about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One >says that I should rip everything up, and just lay down three >quarter or five eighths inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I >should be fine. > >The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as >it feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good >scratch coat to it, and install the new tiles. > >As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing >in at around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy >weight. Add to that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the >house, so we're talking a great deal of traffic and with a five >year-old running around, we're bound to get some spills and food >stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not that clean an eater either. > >In any case, which contractor is right. > >Can you make an argument for going with the scratch coat alone, or >ripping up the sub-floor altogether and installing the plywood >without the scratch coat? > >I should also note that the scratch coat would also entail laying >down the wire mesh, so I guess that would make the scratch coat even >stronger, but I'm still hesitant to do this, as I have had two >contractors tell me that I should rip up the sub-floor in the >kitchen and start from the bottom up. > >Any ideas? > >Victor Gouveia > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora
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Victor, Here is a web site you amy want to read. It may be able to answer the questions you are concerned about. http://www.thetiledoctor.com/installations/floors.cfm - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi RJ, I'm afraid that would not be an option, as that would lift the floor to a height that would be unreasonably tall. The addition of the 1/2 inch cement board, in addition to the thicker tiles would be higher than I'm willing to step from a living room into a kitchen, but thanks for the thought. Victor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I'd get one more opinion. - Original Message - From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Blind Handyman Listserv" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch > Hi Folks, > > Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me their own > interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen floor, so I'm > wondering what you all think. > > I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor upstairs. > I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already have up there, as > my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. > > Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. > > In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how to go > about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One says that I > should rip everything up, and just lay down three quarter or five eighths > inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I should be fine. > > The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as it > feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good scratch > coat to it, and install the new tiles. > > As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing in at > around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy weight. Add to > that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the house, so we're > talking a great deal of traffic and with a five year-old running around, > we're bound to get some spills and food stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not > that clean an eater either. > > In any case, which contractor is right. > > Can you make an argument for going with the scratch coat alone, or ripping > up the sub-floor altogether and installing the plywood without the scratch > coat? > > I should also note that the scratch coat would also entail laying down the > wire mesh, so I guess that would make the scratch coat even stronger, but > I'm still hesitant to do this, as I have had two contractors tell me that > I should rip up the sub-floor in the kitchen and start from the bottom up. > > Any ideas? > > Victor Gouveia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://acbradio.org/handyman.html > or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ > > If you would like to join the Blind Computing list, then visit the > following address for more information: > http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/blind-computing_jaws-users.com > > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
Hi RJ, I'm afraid that would not be an option, as that would lift the floor to a height that would be unreasonably tall. The addition of the 1/2 inch cement board, in addition to the thicker tiles would be higher than I'm willing to step from a living room into a kitchen, but thanks for the thought. Victor
Re: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
In my opinion they are both wrong. I would leave the sub-floor, put down a thin coat of cement, lay down 1/2 inch cement board, (3 ft x 5 ft) Put a few screws along the edges and nail it with roofing nails. RJ - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: Blind Handyman Listserv Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch Hi Folks, Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me their own interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen floor, so I'm wondering what you all think. I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor upstairs. I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already have up there, as my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how to go about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One says that I should rip everything up, and just lay down three quarter or five eighths inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I should be fine. The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as it feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good scratch coat to it, and install the new tiles. As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing in at around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy weight. Add to that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the house, so we're talking a great deal of traffic and with a five year-old running around, we're bound to get some spills and food stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not that clean an eater either. In any case, which contractor is right. Can you make an argument for going with the scratch coat alone, or ripping up the sub-floor altogether and installing the plywood without the scratch coat? I should also note that the scratch coat would also entail laying down the wire mesh, so I guess that would make the scratch coat even stronger, but I'm still hesitant to do this, as I have had two contractors tell me that I should rip up the sub-floor in the kitchen and start from the bottom up. Any ideas? Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] To Scratch or Not To Scratch
Hi Folks, Had a contractor here yesterday, two in fact, and each gives me their own interpretation of something I need done to my kitchen floor, so I'm wondering what you all think. I'm going to be replacing the ceramic tiles on my kitchen floor upstairs. I'm going to be laying thicker tiles down than I already have up there, as my current floor tiles are all cracked and coming up. Suffice it to say, this is a long time in coming. In any case, like I said above, I get a different story, as to how to go about installing the floor from each of the contractors. One says that I should rip everything up, and just lay down three quarter or five eighths inch plywood without any scratch coat, and I should be fine. The other says that I really don't need to rip up the sub-floor, as it feels sturdy to him, and that all you need to do is apply a good scratch coat to it, and install the new tiles. As some of you may or may not know, I'm a pretty hefty guy, weighing in at around 375, so this floor will have to put up with a heavy weight. Add to that the fact that this is the main kitchen for the house, so we're talking a great deal of traffic and with a five year-old running around, we're bound to get some spills and food stuff on the floor. Hell, I'm not that clean an eater either. In any case, which contractor is right. Can you make an argument for going with the scratch coat alone, or ripping up the sub-floor altogether and installing the plywood without the scratch coat? I should also note that the scratch coat would also entail laying down the wire mesh, so I guess that would make the scratch coat even stronger, but I'm still hesitant to do this, as I have had two contractors tell me that I should rip up the sub-floor in the kitchen and start from the bottom up. Any ideas? Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
