Re: Orca does not speak
Hello, I tried and installed both mate and gnone. I signed into both desktop and had no speech. I verified with my son that orca was turned on. The volume sound is heard but orca has no sound. How do I fix this problem? Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:44, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I installed > Nate extra already.. > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > >> On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:34, Linux for blind general discussion >> wrote: >> >> First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 >> just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see >> what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit >> it once and that should help. >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> >>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >>> Subject: Orca does not speak >>> >>> Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks >>> different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on >>> it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in >>> the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned >>> on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. >>> >>> An help would be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Michael maslo >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I installed Nate extra already.. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:34, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 > just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see > what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit > it once and that should help. > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Orca does not speak >> >> Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks >> different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on it. >> The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in the >> command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned on >> does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. >> >> An help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael maslo >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit it once and that should help. On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Orca does not speak > > Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks > different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on it. > The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in the > command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned on does > not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. > > An help would be appreciated. > > > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Orca does not speak
Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. An help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Michael maslo ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Here is all that's used to build it on Slackware-current: http://slackware.uk/slackware/slackware64-current/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ Didier On 12/01/2019 00:24, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Sure, you can build firefox without pulse, but (at least the last time I > built on lfs) you required a lot of hacking around in the dependencies. If > you know a shortcut, do share. > Firefox had a zillion dependecies too. > Building FF isn't as fun as building crhome, though. lol. > Rob > > - Original Message - > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:54:01 +0100 > Subject: Re: Desktop environments > >> The official binaries of firefox requires pulseaudio. >> >> However firefox can be built without this requirement. >> >> As an example Slackware firefox packages do not require pulseaudio. >> >> So, it all depends what options chose the person who built the package. >> >> @All: please name yourself in top or bottom of your post, >> so we know who is speaking. >> >> Best, >> Didier >> -- >> Didier Spaier >> Slint preject http://slint.fr >> >> On 11/01/2019 19:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> firefox requires pulseaudio. >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general >>> discussion wrote: >>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Desktop environments I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like gstreamer and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + Subject: Re: Desktop environments > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Sure, you can build firefox without pulse, but (at least the last time I built on lfs) you required a lot of hacking around in the dependencies. If you know a shortcut, do share. Firefox had a zillion dependecies too. Building FF isn't as fun as building crhome, though. lol. Rob - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:54:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Desktop environments > The official binaries of firefox requires pulseaudio. > > However firefox can be built without this requirement. > > As an example Slackware firefox packages do not require pulseaudio. > > So, it all depends what options chose the person who built the package. > > @All: please name yourself in top or bottom of your post, > so we know who is speaking. > > Best, > Didier > -- > Didier Spaier > Slint preject http://slint.fr > > On 11/01/2019 19:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > firefox requires pulseaudio. > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general > > discussion wrote: > > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 > >> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments > >> > >> I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like > >> gstreamer and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + > >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments > >> > >>> Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > >>> > >>> Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > >>> be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > >>> installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > >>> again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > >>> good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > >>> lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Blinux-list mailing list > >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Arch linux applications and learning
Try which info first. If found that's good. If not, you want to install info. Once that's done, two commands to try: info info man man . These are a couple of your reading tools and it's important to learn to use both effectively first. A directory /usr/share/doc/ has package documentation in it you might examine. Before you do that, try the command man less since this is a third reading package. Now you can use less to examine the files in the subdirectories under /usr/share/doc/. After that, use the arch wiki and search it for topics of interest there's more in it than just how to install your system. Another directory /usr/local/doc/ may exist with some files in it too. All of this reading should occupy you for maybe 5 seconds. A package you might install called linux-howtos has some documentation in it too. Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:43:16 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Arch linux applications and learning > > Hello, > > I was wondering what applications where are for commend line input for arch > linux? I know arch cones with a repository but is that for desktop > environments or is it available for command line? Lastly, where or what could > I read to learn arch linux? The wiki does not help. > > Thanks in advance > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Start desktop
Hello list I have installed mate on the arch linux. I then typed startx to get into the desktop environment but when I do that, it says no such command. Is there something missing or what is wrong? Your help will be appreciated. Sincerely, Michael maslo ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: WiFi and arch linux
Install NetworkManager if not done. Start it (see how in the Arch Wiki) To configure the wireless connections, two commands are available using the command line. Aou can type the commands directly on the console or in a graphical terminal like mate-terminal. Type them as regular user not as root. These commands are nmtui (dialog boxes) or nmcli (pure command line), both accessible. Using nmtui, you can navigate with the Tab and arrow keys. You will be proposed three options: Edit a connection Activate a connection Set system hostname If no wireless connection has been set yet, choose Activate a connection. You will be proposed from top to bottom the wired connections (if any) then accessible wireless networks. Navigate with the down and up arrow keys to select the network you want, then just type Enter: you will probably be asked the password or encryption key. Type it, use the Tab key to confirm, then exit and you are done. nmcli brings more possibilities, but needs that you first know how to use it so first type 'nmcli --help' and know more 'man nmcli' (without the quotes). Then in graphical mode only, you can use the application nm-connection-editor. These are instructions for Slint excerpt of: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/doc/ACCESSIBILITY But that should work for Arch as well. On 11/01/2019 21:38, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hello list, > After reading through the wiki pages, I realized i could have wifi > connection on arch linux. > > Also after reading the wiki page, I do not understand on how to connect to my > WiFi network. > > Is there anyone who could explain how to do this? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
WiFi and arch linux
Hello list, After reading through the wiki pages, I realized i could have wifi connection on arch linux. Also after reading the wiki page, I do not understand on how to connect to my WiFi network. Is there anyone who could explain how to do this? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Michael maslo ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Arch linux applications and learning
Hello, I was wondering what applications where are for commend line input for arch linux? I know arch cones with a repository but is that for desktop environments or is it available for command line? Lastly, where or what could I read to learn arch linux? The wiki does not help. Thanks in advance Sincerely, Michael maslo ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: No sudoer file
try typing which sudo and if you get something like /usr/bin/sudo it's installed. If nothing comes back, the binary and package probably isn't installed. On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:08:39 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: No sudoer file > > Yes I do. Well at least when I tried to reinstall the package it said it was > replacing the which was already there. Is there a way to see if it is truly > installed? It did say there was a error in line 98. > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > > On Jan 10, 2019, at 19:47, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > Do you even have sudo installed? > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:39:45 -0800 > > Subject: Re: No sudoer file > > > >> Well Michael, not sure how you would fix your root or sudo issues, > >> however, once > >> you are logged in, you could type cd followed by 2 periods. You would be in > >> home, where you can run an ls to find all users on your machine. Hope that > >> helps > >> some > >> Chime > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
The official binaries of firefox requires pulseaudio. However firefox can be built without this requirement. As an example Slackware firefox packages do not require pulseaudio. So, it all depends what options chose the person who built the package. @All: please name yourself in top or bottom of your post, so we know who is speaking. Best, Didier -- Didier Spaier Slint preject http://slint.fr On 11/01/2019 19:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > firefox requires pulseaudio. > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general > discussion wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments >> >> I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like gstreamer >> and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments >> >>> Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. >>> >>> Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will >>> be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that >>> installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then >>> again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything >>> good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the >>> lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
firefox requires pulseaudio. On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: Desktop environments > > I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like gstreamer > and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. > > - Original Message - > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + > Subject: Re: Desktop environments > > > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Well, there is not need to use Firefox or any web browser just to listen Hilary Hahn on YouTube, and record her performance on the console. Install mps-youtube then type mpyst and press h for help. You can also use xfb-run to use Firefox without starting X. Try this: xvfb-run -a firefox --headless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1dBg__wsuo Best, Didier -- Didier Spaier Slint project http://slint.fr On 11/01/2019 16:04, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I use patchelf to make Firefox use apulse by default, and while I have > a few packages on my system that suggest or recommend pulseaudio, they > all work just fine with just libpulse, and these two are tiny compared > to everything the pulseaudio metapackage wants to install. Also, I > presently have nothing installed that depends on jack. > > I'll admit, it would be nice if I could have Orca and YouTube speaking > at reasonable volume simultaneously without having to use > headphones(presently, having Orca speak normally leaves YouTube > Whispering even with YouTube's volume slider at max and having YouTube > at a reasonable volume leavs Orca shouting, though this only seems to > happen with my desktop's internal speaker and headphones seems to > equalize them). > > Admittedly, I don't use my desktop for playing multimedia from local > storage and only use it for YouTube because I have nothing else that > can play YouTube, and if I did have something else that could play > YouTube, I'd ditch apulse since I'd be fine with a silent Firefox > otherwise, and if it wasn't for Firefox, I'd ditch the GUI all > together(Sadly, I can't go a day without visiting at least one website > that needs Javascript to work, and the navigational hotkeys Orca adds > to Firefox and other graphical web browsers are just too dang > convenient and I know of no way to get an equivalent feature in > text-only browsers). > > Maybe I'm a bit obsessed with minimalism(I was an lxde user prior to > blindness, and even then, did as much from within lxterminal as I did > on the desktop, had a single panel in the style of Win9x, and had no > icons to mar my wallpaper), but I like having a root partition whose > contents could fit uncompressed on a CD, the Pulseaudio metapackage > and its dependencies weigh more than the heaviest application on my > system, and I've heard nothing to suggest pulseaudio provides benefit > proportionate to its size, but plenty to suggest getting it to do > anything might make my life harder(Admittedly, I'm hesitant to try > anything that messes with a working sound config, what with sound > being my sole means of output). > > To each their own, but I'm quite content without it and intend to > resist efforts to force me to use it for the foreseeable future. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I use patchelf to make Firefox use apulse by default, and while I have a few packages on my system that suggest or recommend pulseaudio, they all work just fine with just libpulse, and these two are tiny compared to everything the pulseaudio metapackage wants to install. Also, I presently have nothing installed that depends on jack. I'll admit, it would be nice if I could have Orca and YouTube speaking at reasonable volume simultaneously without having to use headphones(presently, having Orca speak normally leaves YouTube Whispering even with YouTube's volume slider at max and having YouTube at a reasonable volume leavs Orca shouting, though this only seems to happen with my desktop's internal speaker and headphones seems to equalize them). Admittedly, I don't use my desktop for playing multimedia from local storage and only use it for YouTube because I have nothing else that can play YouTube, and if I did have something else that could play YouTube, I'd ditch apulse since I'd be fine with a silent Firefox otherwise, and if it wasn't for Firefox, I'd ditch the GUI all together(Sadly, I can't go a day without visiting at least one website that needs Javascript to work, and the navigational hotkeys Orca adds to Firefox and other graphical web browsers are just too dang convenient and I know of no way to get an equivalent feature in text-only browsers). Maybe I'm a bit obsessed with minimalism(I was an lxde user prior to blindness, and even then, did as much from within lxterminal as I did on the desktop, had a single panel in the style of Win9x, and had no icons to mar my wallpaper), but I like having a root partition whose contents could fit uncompressed on a CD, the Pulseaudio metapackage and its dependencies weigh more than the heaviest application on my system, and I've heard nothing to suggest pulseaudio provides benefit proportionate to its size, but plenty to suggest getting it to do anything might make my life harder(Admittedly, I'm hesitant to try anything that messes with a working sound config, what with sound being my sole means of output). To each their own, but I'm quite content without it and intend to resist efforts to force me to use it for the foreseeable future. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I haven't used anything but PulseAudio for the last eight years, but I thought you needed PulseAudio to adjust individual audio streams, for example, if I wanted to crank up my TTS so I could hear it over some streaming audio. On 1/11/19 7:04 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I am sighted and have nothing bad to say about PulseAudio for my limited use cases. If one wants to make one's own opinion instead of relying of the hearsay by people who don't really know what they are speaking about, here is a good reading to understand what PukseAudio really is, can and can't do: https://gavv.github.io/articles/pulseaudio-under-the-hood/ Audiophiles may prefer Jack, which target different needs. Let's quote the aforementioned article: PulseAudio design is focused on consumer audio for desktop and mobile. It offers seamless device switching, automatic setup of hardware and networking, and power saving. It can’t guarantee extremely low latency. Instead, it usually adjusts latency dynamically to provide lower battery usage and better user experience even on cheap hardware. JACK design is focused on professional audio hardware and software. It offers the lowest possible latency and may connect applications directly to devices or each other. It doesn’t try to provide the smooth desktop experience to the detriment of performance or configurability and is targeted to advanced users. FYT next Slint upgrade will ship JACK2 in addition to PulseAudio, as well as apulse, which allows to run an application linked to PulseAudio without it. As an example I tried this, knowing that Firefox in Slint is linked to PulseAudio: Remove PulseAudio Install apulse Type "apulse Firefox" In Firefox Start a tune from Youtube.com: you will hear it. Link: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse Best, Didier On 11/01/2019 14:04, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like gstreamer and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + Subject: Re: Desktop environments > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I apologize. For those using arch linux, what desktop environment do you use and? If using arch, do you use a gue at all? Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Jan 11, 2019, at 07:04, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
PulseAudio is OK if you set dmix as default sink. That's the default in Slint and we have no issue switching between the desktop and the console. On 11/01/2019 13:22, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I can't speak for any specific desktop environment/window manager or > how to set them up to work with Orca, but the rule of thumb seems to > be that anything GTK based will be at least partially accessible with > Orca and anything using Qt or another toolkit is more trouble than its > worth to try. > > Also, everything I've heard suggests Pulseaudio wreaks havoc with > screenreaders, especially if you want to be able to switch between the > desktop and console. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I can't speak for any specific desktop environment/window manager or how to set them up to work with Orca, but the rule of thumb seems to be that anything GTK based will be at least partially accessible with Orca and anything using Qt or another toolkit is more trouble than its worth to try. Also, everything I've heard suggests Pulseaudio wreaks havoc with screenreaders, especially if you want to be able to switch between the desktop and console. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
