Re: Finally got my basic listing (was The Weirdness Just Keeps on Coming)
SSome distributions have yabasic which can make self-contained executables. Labels can be used line numbers are normally not used. If you get a file that runs in yabasic and run the bind command on the file the file gets more code prefixed to it and can be run in environments windows and linux where yabasic isn’t already installed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > I finally got the source listings of the basic programs that I > can now look at. > >I did download gw-basic as suggested but it wouldn't run > at all on this computer. It probably runs on IBM compatible PC's > but it may be trying to access memory occupied by the ROM basic > since this is a true IBM PC. I am not saying this in a snobby > way at all but my reading of articles about the eighties-era IBM > PC's said that this was one of the major differences between an > IBM PC and a so-called IBM clone. In all other ways the clones > and the PC's were functionally the same. > >Now that I got the null-modem cable working, the > > mode ctty comx > > command works as it should with x being your com port number. > >I certainly could have been able to mechanize the mass > getting of the source but for one huge problem which is also at > the heart of a lot of accessibility issues. > >The video screen buffer is about as far from a standard > output device as one can get in that once a program takes to > writing all output there, any kind of mechanized operation stops > dead. > >It's like running a farm in which one hope to sell the > milk from one's herd of cattle but they got made in to beautiful > steaks and nice juicy Bamberger patties before they could get to > the milking machines, sort of an udder failure, one might say. > >I could use the ctty com1 command from DOS and immediately > see the DOS prompt on the serial terminal so then one goes to > that keyboard and you can run DOS commands from your unix box and > capture the in-bound text with no trouble. One could use a > program like expect or write some code in C or perl and get one > machine to control the other. > >Then, you call basic and the whole world stops because > basic just writes to the screen unless there is a magic flag one > could send to basic to tell it to write to true standard output. > >If there is such a flag, I don't know about it so I would > do ctty com1 and the serial part dies right there and I hear the > screen reader come alive and give the basic screen. > >There is another neat command in dos that partly helps. > You can use the mode command to reroute the parallel printer printer port > to one of the serial ports and I did that. > >Now, I could get somewhere. > >I could type new from the PC to clear basic's buffer and > then type > > load "x10.bas" > >When you are running basic, the function keys are > programmed to do commands such as load, run and or save and > there's a LPT1 button. Since I rerouted LPT1 to com1, I could > type list and then hit LPT1 and low and behold, it spewed out on > the serial line and I could capture every last character. > >Unix is just so much easier once one gets the hang of > things. > >This Summer marks the 34TH year since I first layed hands > on a unix system which was a DEC Ultrix installation at Oklahoma > State University. Unix turned out to be the best job I every > ended up having. > > Martin McCormick > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: v p n and linux
On 30/6/23 12:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Where may I get wire gard? Generally from your Linux distribution's repository. How may I find how to set it up? Search the Web and read some of the many tutorials on the subject that have been written just for people like you. On Jun 30, 2023, at 10:42, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On 30/6/23 09:50, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have never used a v p n before. Which one might work well with linux? Which might work well with orca? I have WireGuard configured to provide extra security in connecting to my server. The configuration is simply a matter of editing files on both sides, and enabling WireGuard to run, so there's no accessibility issue at all. It has been remarkably reliable. I haven't had to touch it since setting it up. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: The Weirdness Just Keeps on Coming (was Can I run a .bat file from basica
Wow! Thanks. I'll keep this for future reference as I got this message after I did it the hard way. In the last few days, I have been trying to find accessible material, not so much in basic programming as I did a bunch of that from 1979 until the early eighties in Applesoft Basic which is extremely similar to GW-Basic and basica but commands like the ,a flag are exactly what I was looking for but if you start searching for the basica command set, one tends to fall down a lot of rabbit holes leading to visual basic and so forth. I'm not even interested in programming in basic again as that ship sailed but I would have never figured out that flag of ,a if my life depended on it. Here's a bit of trivia if anybody wants to grind their brains a bit. I do know the answer but here it is: The list of program files on the disk all had normal dates when they were in unix. After I saved one of them using the save "progname.bas" ,a operation, the save was perfect but the date is now December 31, 1969 at 18:00 hours. I put the floppy in question back on a Linux box and did ls -lt on the files, expecting to find my newly-saved ASCII file first. With that creation date, it is dead last so the date matters but it's a small issue for the most part. Hint. If you live in some place other than the US/Central time zone, your strange date will be different such as if you live in the UK, your odd date will be 1 January of 1970 at Midnight. It's definitely not a "Twilight Zone" event but the first time you see that, it makes you wonder what's going on. Again, thanks. Martin McCormick Linux for blind general discussion writes: > No need for any of this. Open up the program in basica. Then type save > “prog.bas”,a and you get an ascii version of the program saved to > disk. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: v p n and linux
On 6/30/23 18:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Where may I get wire gard? How may I find how to set it up? By looking online! :) Basically, any VPN that you can use from the CLI is accessible. -- John Doe ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Finally got my basic listing (was The Weirdness Just Keeps on Coming)
I finally got the source listings of the basic programs that I can now look at. I did download gw-basic as suggested but it wouldn't run at all on this computer. It probably runs on IBM compatible PC's but it may be trying to access memory occupied by the ROM basic since this is a true IBM PC. I am not saying this in a snobby way at all but my reading of articles about the eighties-era IBM PC's said that this was one of the major differences between an IBM PC and a so-called IBM clone. In all other ways the clones and the PC's were functionally the same. Now that I got the null-modem cable working, the mode ctty comx command works as it should with x being your com port number. I certainly could have been able to mechanize the mass getting of the source but for one huge problem which is also at the heart of a lot of accessibility issues. The video screen buffer is about as far from a standard output device as one can get in that once a program takes to writing all output there, any kind of mechanized operation stops dead. It's like running a farm in which one hope to sell the milk from one's herd of cattle but they got made in to beautiful steaks and nice juicy Bamberger patties before they could get to the milking machines, sort of an udder failure, one might say. I could use the ctty com1 command from DOS and immediately see the DOS prompt on the serial terminal so then one goes to that keyboard and you can run DOS commands from your unix box and capture the in-bound text with no trouble. One could use a program like expect or write some code in C or perl and get one machine to control the other. Then, you call basic and the whole world stops because basic just writes to the screen unless there is a magic flag one could send to basic to tell it to write to true standard output. If there is such a flag, I don't know about it so I would do ctty com1 and the serial part dies right there and I hear the screen reader come alive and give the basic screen. There is another neat command in dos that partly helps. You can use the mode command to reroute the parallel printer printer port to one of the serial ports and I did that. Now, I could get somewhere. I could type new from the PC to clear basic's buffer and then type load "x10.bas" When you are running basic, the function keys are programmed to do commands such as load, run and or save and there's a LPT1 button. Since I rerouted LPT1 to com1, I could type list and then hit LPT1 and low and behold, it spewed out on the serial line and I could capture every last character. Unix is just so much easier once one gets the hang of things. This Summer marks the 34TH year since I first layed hands on a unix system which was a DEC Ultrix installation at Oklahoma State University. Unix turned out to be the best job I every ended up having. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: v p n and linux
Where may I get wire gard? How may I find how to set it up? > On Jun 30, 2023, at 10:42, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > > On 30/6/23 09:50, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> I have never used a v p n before. >> Which one might work well with linux? >> Which might work well with orca? > > I have WireGuard configured to provide extra security in connecting to my > server. The configuration is simply a matter of editing files on both sides, > and enabling WireGuard to run, so there's no accessibility issue at all. > > It has been remarkably reliable. I haven't had to touch it since setting it > up. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: v p n and linux
On 30/6/23 09:50, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have never used a v p n before. Which one might work well with linux? Which might work well with orca? I have WireGuard configured to provide extra security in connecting to my server. The configuration is simply a matter of editing files on both sides, and enabling WireGuard to run, so there's no accessibility issue at all. It has been remarkably reliable. I haven't had to touch it since setting it up. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
v p n and linux
I have never used a v p n before. Which one might work well with linux? Which might work well with orca? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
v p n and linux
I have never used a v p n before. Which one might work well with linux? Which might work well with orca? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
v p n and linux
I have never used a v p n before. Which one might work well with linux? Which might work well with orca? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: The Weirdness Just Keeps on Coming (was Can I run a .bat file from basica
No need for any of this. Open up the program in basica. Then type save “prog.bas”,a and you get an ascii version of the program saved to disk. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > I think I have just found a way to save you a ton of trouble. > > https://github.com/rwtodd/bascat > > This does say that it is written in powershell, but other branches are > mentioned that do the same thing in other languages. You may be especially > interested in the branch called rust-version. Although this is listed as a > stale branch, it most likely will still do what you need. > > > You may also be able to use a gwbasic decoder to convert the program to text, > as gwbasic and basica I believe are similar. The original gwbasic source code > that Microsoft released in 2020 is the assembly code from the 1983 version, > and gwbasic and basica are said to be functionally identical, so although > your mileage may vary, it just may work. Incidentally, gwbasic has already > been built to run on FreeDOS, and therefore should also run on dosemu as well. > > ~Kyle > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
