Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
As root or root using sudo: usermod -aG brlapi where is the name of the user account to be added to the brlapi group. Then reboot. As the user, type groups and you should see brlapi as a group your user is in then. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi group. Since this a USB > display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you > check the box in the braille tab of preferences. > > - Original Message - > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions? > > > Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and > > I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific > > switches to use to get your display running. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided > > > regarding my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is > > > because this is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q > > > ancient knowledge in terms of using Linux. > > > > > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used > > > a remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the > > > visual information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into > > > a virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist > > > in installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is > > > figure out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think > > > it might be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I > > > don't think orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my > > > particular display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a > > > Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell > > > version has one additional issue that might cause more problems than > > > could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive > > > like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora > > > might identify it as? Any thoughts? > > > > > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > > > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > > > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by > > > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make > > > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability > > > in addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. > > > Which forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that > > > I've written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please > > > reach out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is > > > hoping all are having a good Monday? > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi group. Since this a USB display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you check the box in the braille tab of preferences. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400 Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions? > Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and > I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific > switches to use to get your display running. > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding > > my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this > > is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge > > in terms of using Linux. > > > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a > > remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual > > information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a > > virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in > > installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure > > out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might > > be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think > > orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my particular > > display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI > > 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one > > additional issue that might cause more problems than could be solved in > > Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive like appearance in > > both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora might identify it as? > > Any thoughts? > > > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by > > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make > > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in > > addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which > > forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that I've > > written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach > > out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all > > are having a good Monday? > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific switches to use to get your display running. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my > choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is > what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in > terms of using Linux. > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a > remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual > information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual > machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing > and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to > enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to > attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any > type of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course > could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the > 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might > cause more problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual > physical hard drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know > just how Fedora might identify it as? Any thoughts? > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand > I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything > that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition > to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to > use dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text > of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me > what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all are having a good Monday? > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in terms of using Linux. I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might cause more problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora might identify it as? Any thoughts? Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all are having a good Monday? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
The pipewire-pulse process is a replacement for pulse audio functionality. On 10/9/23 03:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, The default setting in Bookworm is to have in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf: AudioOutputMethod "pulse" Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca, "ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1 So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not out of the box. Cheers, Didier Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : d I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called pipewire-pulse. I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all. I may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember at the moment. On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. Orca was already installed, but not started in mate From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: apt-get install espeakup. Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: speakup_soft I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual sound card and did not care for which voice to use. Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in this console. But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. Cheers, Didier Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure Speakup or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with Speakup. You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. This is the section on Speech support. https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text console and have both working at the same time. On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to
Re: Debian with Orca
As I understand it, pipewire hit maturity early enough to be included in Debian 12 aka Bookworm, but too late to replace pulse as the default, and one has to manually install pipewire and configure Debian to use it instead of pulse(though I suppose its possible the Expert mode of the Debian Installer provides the option)... I vaguely remember reading somewhere(perhaps on this mailing list or in a thread on the Audio Games forum) that Debian plans to make pipewire the default for Debian 13 aka Trixie, but I have no idea if that's true or even how to go about confirming or denying it. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
Hi, The default setting in Bookworm is to have in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf: AudioOutputMethod "pulse" Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca, "ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1 So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not out of the box. Cheers, Didier Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > d I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called > pipewire-pulse. I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all. I > may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember > at the moment. > > > > On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so >> tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. >> >> Orca was already installed, but not started in mate >> >> From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: >> apt-get install espeakup. >> >> Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: >> speakup_soft >> >> I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual >> sound card and did not care for which voice to use. >> >> Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking >> in >> this console. >> >> But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. >> >> This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default >> setting >> in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in >> /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, >> thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: >> >> load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix >> >> >> This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. >> >> However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as >> stated in >> the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. >> >> Cheers, >> Didier >> >> Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : >>> In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure >>> Speakup >>> or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with >>> Speakup. >>> You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. >>> >>> This is the section on Speech support. >>> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support >>> >>> ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text >>> console and have both working at the same time. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this >>>
