[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] official source code repository for CD distribution[was: DVD and Jewel case design]
Hi Tom, Tom Davies schrieb: Hi :) I think you need to put the original source code on the Cd. No, it is sufficient to provide a link to the code, but this link must be valid for a reasonable time. Due to server capacities I don't know if TDF will be able to provide such continuously reachable links to every version of LibreOffice, but this should be discussed by the SC (CC'ing the SC-discuss list). If we have a reliable external repository for previous versions (don't know how long they need to be stored - 3 years?), CDs could link there. For DVD with enough space on the disc it is easier to include the sources IMHO. The GPL agreement allows you and/or the library/school to make a small profit from the sale of the Cds and to cover costs. It's LGPL, but this doesn't make a difference, as LGPL refers to GPL. As far a I know there is no clause in the license that hinders anybody to take as much money as wanted for the CDs/DVDs. But I'd like to see us pointing out, that fair use of LibreOffice includes the information about free download from our website, so everybody will have the chance to decide how much she is willing to pay. (And part of the money earned by selling CDs/DVDs could be donated to the community...) I guess an ideal Cd would have the installers for all the various platforms along with the source code but you might want to have different Cds for Windows Mac and possibly Linux. That depends on the goals of the CDs/DVDs. I like the approach of LibreOffice-Box (present state at http://www.libreofficebox.org/, at the moment only in German) providing an ISO with all installers, source code, documentation, extensions and artwork (as well as related open source software) on DVD. But if you want to provide CDs only it might be necessary to divide the installers by language or operating system. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Decisions about libreoffice.org English main site management
Hi David, On 07/01/2011 18:12, David Nelson wrote: Hi guys, :-) this is the girl of the story ;) I would like to make a proposal. I consider that the libreoffice.org website is a resource that can be of strategic importance to TDF and the community. I have a bunch of ideas for further developing it and using it to further the project's aims and interests. Yes, you're right and it's great to see you enthusiasm ! To do that job, I would ask - for a period of 4 months, subsequently renewable on condition of the SC's approval - for complete authority and final veto on all content on the libreoffice.org website. I want to be considered *the boss* of the libreoffice.org website, and my decisions would only be overridden by a majority vote of SC members. Anything short of that, my decision wins. Like the others, I don't like the idea of 'complete authority and final veto on all content'. No problem for me to consider you like *the boss* if you prefer to have a title, but we are an open source project and decision process is not working this way. I absolutely do not feel comfortable with the SC members voting on each decision, I mean the website team should be able to work and reach a consensus by its own on what should be on line. There has been a failure at filling the website content at the beginning. From my side I thought that in front of the emergency, an English native language speaker will wake up and fill it. Ok, that has not work this way this time, but I won't draw a picture with only a piece of it. The website team has to think about it and change his way to work or appeal for collaboration. Like in *any* other part of the project, the collaboration mode is how we work and how we are willing to work. Even if one take the final decision (the one you would call the lead), it's because others have reach an agreement on this final decision. And sometime it takes time (even years), but no matter, we do not have commercial pressure or something like that, we have a community that we want to be happy and for a long time. This would give me the necessary authority to try some imaginative and ambitious plans that I will put to Marketing. Like Italo said, there is a marketing project and tasks should be coordinated with it. Also, the website is not only for marketing, it's also for contributors and so it engages much more than marketing. Last, I don't see why you need an authority to put your imaginative and ambitious plans on a staging site where it can be reviewed and discussed before being implemented. And I'm really curious to see it soon :-) I would ask for the title of Executive editor of the libreoffice.org website. The only reason I have for asking for this title is that it gives me a handle to use in relations with outside parties, such as the press. Also Italo expertise, here. Currently not every body can speak publicly in the name of TDF (even not me :-), and I think it's good. If you feel able to grant me this trust, you can be sure that I will act responsibly and wisely, and that my sole aim will be to advance and protect the interests of the LibreOffice project and community. I won't trust you less if you're not the big boss. You've work on several parts of the project, the work you've done is good and important for our project and you've done it with respect of the community values. This is why I trust you. You have already act responsibly and wisely without having the complete authority and final veto. I believe in teamwork and community-building. I would be keen to listen to and to learn from others, and to take the smartest decisions possible. I would seek to leave behind a positive contribution. I believe in your work and what you've done on the website content, also on the documentation project. You have found your place in our project, you are organizing the documentation project and the tool it will use for its workflow, you've work on the website content and want to go on. I'm really happy to have you near me :-) I'll be also really happy to help you work with the others among the design team, the marketing team, the l10n team, etc. Your decision would be sealed by an official vote at the next SC meeting. My vote will be -1 because of the reasons above and I join also Christian conclusion. But I really don't want you to resign. I would like to offer my help and any time you need to discuss further how we work. Most of us are in open source projects for quite a long time, we have had to learn also, if I can help you, it sincerely will be my pleasure :) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Adoption and implementation of the Community Bylaws
Hi David, SC members, all David Nelson schrieb: Hi SC members, :-) Charles wrote an excellent set of Community Bylaws. I would like to see them officially adopted and applied. And I would like to see the various committees and governance systems in the Community Bylaws set up and become active. The Bylaws have been approved by the SC during their last call (or the one before), so they are already adopted. What needs to be done, is to establish the Membership Committee. This board will decide on the requests to become formal TDF members - a precondition for electing a Board of Directors later on. While the tasks of the BoD are worked on by the SC members by now, the Membership Committee's tasks can't be done by them too. I feel that this is important for the future of LibreOffice. I strongly support the project, and I want to see it succeed. I think we need to take action quite quickly. It is important - no question. But I don't see it as critical as you: The TDF membership doesn't lead to any other workflow or decision making than nowadays. People interested in working on a specific area do the work there - if they understand, that other areas are more important at the moment, they will probably change their focus. After the release of LibO 3.3.0 the Membership committee could start their work in approving all the requests by active community members to become TDF members. This will probably take a several weeks, but the main part of their work will be finished before we start the election process for the Board of Directors, that has to be established in September latest (as proposed by the Steering Committee limiting it's existence to not more than one year). I have noted how the level of involvement and contribution by active community members has tailed off. I have noticed how few user support queries there are on the user support list. It is my impression that the level of contribution to development is also decreasing. This is your impression. Mine is quite different. For me the most important point is how the open source basis for the community is filled with life - and brought to the public. We have ten years history as an open source project, pushed and limited at the same time by the leading habit of Sun/Oracle as main contributor. New contributors need to find their position in the existing community - we don't want to re-event the wheel in areas that have been successful in the past. We have a situation in which a key project resource, the libreoffice.org website, is becoming the center of pushing and pulling for control over its development. Decisions are needed about the website's management (editorial team), and about the future direction of its development (the question of Drupal adoption is becoming extremely disruptive and divisive in this fledgling project). All these decisions will be taken - either by the website team, or (if this team will not be able to find a common way without damaging the community as a whole) by the Steering Committee. But could you please release your website proposal before you request new steps and decisions over and over again? You probably don't have the time to reply to the proposals for a website leading team in your other thread, as you are finishing the website until tomorrow. So I'd ask you to let the community have some time and find a way of common goals and ways to reach them. This will not be possible without discussion. But these discussions will lead to results - they are not superfluous at all. I personally have experienced wanting to implement 2 great initiatives (proactive contact with Linux projects, and organization of interviews with BBC TV and radio for Charles and/or other SC members) only to find certain SC members strongly discouraging me to take action, refusing to give any constructive consideration, or totally ignoring me and not giving any reaction at all on the subject. I can't tell you anything about the BBC contacts you mention, but I see the results of your request for participation at the Linux design teams (to create our logo9: As our infrastructure had not at all been ready to provide a place for the Linux designers to work collaboratively together with the LibO community, they became quiet after a very short period of time (perhaps they turned their back on LibO totally). When we'll reach at them again - after establishing our branding and infrastructure - I don't know who will be interested again... Of course this is mainly a problem of communication - if we would have been able to tell you what is necessary to lead people towards a project and to *keep them active* (and we know that from our experience in OOo), this step could have been coordinated better. But we didn't have the time to prepare everything properly - we have to establish our new infrastructure now... When I have suggested bold initiatives, there have been very
