Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Small idea: have you considered using Google Apps for the project's
mail needs? *So* easy to set-up, *so* easy to maintain,
feature-packed, and I'm sure they will give TDF a free upgrade to an
enterprise account. Lots of other benefits, too.

David Nelson

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Re: [steering-discuss] Decisions about libreoffice.org English main site management

2011-01-14 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

sorry for stepping in so late -- was on vacation until January 10th and 
then instantly went ill, finally back to reading through e-mail backlog.


IMHO, the raised questions in this thread have been answered during 
yesterday's SC call (minutes and recording will be online soon). If 
there are open questions to me directly, just ping me, then I have 
missed them. :-)


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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-01-14 09.50:

In general, IMHO etc. I believe a forwarding setup, as well as being
easier fits into most people's existing mail flows rather better. Also
using a proprietary software hosted service for our project would not be
an ideal choice IMHO;-)


I agree. :-) IMHO, Google Apps also doesn't allow easy creation via 
API/scripts/command line, which is what we need. I envision an interface 
where all eligible people can maintain their forwarding themselves, and 
Alex already agreed to hack something in Python for that. I even have a 
spare server that could take of the forwarding.


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[steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread Andre Schnabel
Dear SC members,

please read, review and correct the minutes at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:04 +0100,
Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net a écrit :

 Dear SC members,
 
 please read, review and correct the minutes at
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13
 
 regards,
 
 André
 

Done, fixed typos and one specific phrasing.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread sophie

Hi André,
On 14/01/2011 18:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:04 +0100,
Andre Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net  a écrit :


Dear SC members,

please read, review and correct the minutes at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

regards,

André


Done, fixed typos and one specific phrasing.

Fixed typos. Thanks André for the minutes.

Kind regards
Sophie


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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

I'll only give short feedback on the suggested names

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 My plan is actually to have something like

        volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org

+1 (long, but fits)

 or
        volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org

-1 (sounds like it would be a webmail service like gmail, gmx, web.de, )

 or
        volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org

-1 (I just prefer the community one - with volunteer there is a
(slight) distinction  between community members that are paid by
someone, and those who only spend their spare time - at lest in my
brain :-)))

ciao
Christian

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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

If it's not a real libreoffice.org or documentfoundation.org
account, I don't think anyone will be interested. I know I
wouldn't bother using one of these libreofficecommunity.org, etc.,
accounts myself i'd just use my own mail account in that case

0.2 cents. ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 14.01.2011 17:34, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org

volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org

volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org

 -1 (I just prefer the community one - with volunteer there is a
 (slight) distinction  between community members that are paid by
 someone, and those who only spend their spare time - at lest in my
 brain :-)))

But anyway, there will be the word volunteer. at the beginning of
the mail-address in any case. Wouldn´t that disturb your brain as
well? ;-)

Stefan


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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread sophie

Hi,
On 14/01/2011 20:33, Volker Merschmann wrote:
[...]


For the rest: I do not like any of the offered domain names, they all
are too long. I would like to see nickn...@libreoffice.org for the
members.

Agreed with Volker here, wouldn't be possible to have it as simple as

nickn...@libreoffice.org?

Other wise, my preferred choice would go to 
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org for the same concern as Christian's 
brain ones ;)

Kind regards



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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 20:53 +0300, sophie wrote:
 Hi,
 On 14/01/2011 20:33, Volker Merschmann wrote:
 [...]
 
  For the rest: I do not like any of the offered domain names, they all
  are too long. I would like to see nickn...@libreoffice.org for the
  members.
 Agreed with Volker here, wouldn't be possible to have it as simple as
 
 nickn...@libreoffice.org?
 
 Other wise, my preferred choice would go to 
 volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org for the same concern as 
 Christian's brain ones ;)

Howdy,

If you are going to issue email addresses just use the real name, if the
risk is perceived as large then just say no.

If you decide to issue these vanity email addresses I can see for
leading word volunteer:

nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org

is a better choice IMO.

Adios,

Drew


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[steering-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Florian, all

Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hello,
 
 as discussed yesterday in the confcall, we're planning to give out 
 official LibreOffice e-mail accounts to people who are community members 
 per the membership committee's decision. [...]
 
 My plan is to hand out only e-mail forwarders, not real mailboxes with 
 POP and IMAP, as the latter one requires lots of maintenance.

+1
 
 [...]
 
 For LibreOffice, I'm a bit hesitant to hand out @libreoffice.org, as 
 this may seem like people are acting on behalf of TDF, causing liability 
 issues. Maybe I'm too touchy, so I'm happy for comments, which is why I 
 am writing this mail. :-)

As membership has to be requested and approved in a formal way, I could 
imagine to include a passus in the formalism where community members 
declare not to act as representatives or spokespeople for the LibreOffice 
community or TDF unless they have been approved to do so.

Perhaps a mandatory signature like the following would be sufficient:

(First Name) Name
- LibreOffice community member -

In this case a mail address like nickn...@libreoffice.org might be sufficient 
IMHO.

And in case of possible abuse (or deliberate misinterpretation) the community 
membership can be revoked...
 

If usage of the @libreoffice.org mail address still looks too risky, I'd vote 
for

 My plan is actually to have something like
 
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org

nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org
(or nickn...@libreoffice-community.org)

Best regards

Bernhard




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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Tom Davies
Brilliant!  I definitely like the sound of that as it solves all the issues 
there.  Good thinking :)  Can we do this?

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org
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Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 19:21:10
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

Em 14-01-2011 16:16, Tom Davies escreveu:
 OTOH if people use the email address per...@openoffice.org then it gets the
 name OpenOffice out there and being seen by a lot of people.  Free
 advertising!
 

+1
For some people this is even a matter of pride, like wearing a t-shirt with a 
well known brand or message.

So, nickn...@libreoffice.org

Leave the mail for TDF oficials as @documetnfoundation.org

Regards
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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 1/14/11 8:21 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:


So, nickn...@libreoffice.org



Leave the mail for TDF oficials as @documetnfoundation.org


I totally agree with Olivier. Just to make the concept stronger, and to 
protect us from possible email trolls, we can add a specific paragraph 
in the bylaws.


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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi SC,

Am 14.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Andre Schnabel:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

quote

# decision: SC appoints a team of 4 people that will be responsible
for managing the website for a trial period of two months
this team consists of:

* David Nelson (for textual content)
* Christoph Noack (for user experience)
* Ivan Miskovic (for design)
* Christian Lohmaier (for infrastructure)

/qoute

Is this for the international (main) site only? Are we still
allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe,
as we have done the past weeks?

Stefan

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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all!

Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 23:47 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
 And if there are still some concerns, my proposal would be:
 forename.lastn...@community.libreoffice.org 

Sorry for this proposal, I totally missed Florian's earlier mail
containing a statement concerning sub-domains. Bad if one starts reading
from the most recent mails ;-)

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 23:47 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Italo Vignoli:
  On 1/14/11 8:21 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
  
   So, nickn...@libreoffice.org
  
   Leave the mail for TDF oficials as @documetnfoundation.org
  
  I totally agree with Olivier. Just to make the concept stronger, and
  to protect us from possible email trolls, we can add a specific
  paragraph in the bylaws. 
 
 Yep, agree as well. (Especially since we'll never get rid of less
 informed people who spread strange information ... independent of any
 email address.)
 
 And if there are still some concerns, my proposal would be:
 forename.lastn...@community.libreoffice.org
 

Howdy,

I like that construct.

You could also flip the problem or solution on it's head.

Instead of an adornment such to remove authority use it to state it.

forename.lastn...@bod.documentfounation.org
forename.lastn...@esc.documentfounation.org

Part of taking responsibility for the role is receiving such an address,
when or if your roll reverts to community member only.

nickn...@libreoffice.org

Perhaps a special case of:
forename.lastn...@documentfounation.org

for paid staff.

Just a thought - but again Christoph's change is pretty good IMO if that
is the way you choose to go IMO.

//drew


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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Sophie, hi André, ...

Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 18:59 +0300 schrieb sophie:
 Hi André,
 On 14/01/2011 18:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
  Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:04 +0100,
  Andre Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net  a écrit :
 
  Dear SC members,
 
  please read, review and correct the minutes at
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

Thanks for the minutes! As far as I remember, my proposal to draft a
wiki page for the website team had been discussed as well. I hope this
is correct (and helps to understand the SC decision), otherwise please
remove the statement I've added recently ...

During the trail period, the team is asked to draft a (e.g.)
wiki page how the community can contribute.

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi Stefan, :-)

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 04:34, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 # decision: SC appoints a team of 4 people that will be responsible
 for managing the website for a trial period of two months
 this team consists of:


 Is this for the international (main) site only? Are we still
 allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe,
 as we have done the past weeks?

My interpretation is that the decision concerns the English main site
(it does not cover the NL sites).

During this trial period, you should not use your SilverStripe
author/publisher permissions to do any stuff on the English main site
without the prior agreement of the person in charge of content (me).

But people can do what they like on the NL sites - it's not our/my business.

However, the SC specifically asked me to seek to build a contributor
team, as regards content, and I will be doing that (started already -
see [1]). So if you're interested in working on the English NL site,
there will definitely be the opportunity (although I will be
preferring English NL contributors for drafting content).

However, you do need to get a remit from me first. No just jumping in. ;-)

And, of course, we will be paying attention to feedback from the community.

SC, is the above a reasonable interpretation of your intentions?

[1] 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Call-for-volunteers-to-work-on-the-libreoffice-org-website-content-tp2258026p2258026.html

David Nelson

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