Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity

2011-11-30 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Lionel,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu


 I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm confused. It says
 These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and governance of
 The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...).

Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some cunfusing points.

We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few (hopefully 
two) weeks.


 
 But then they go on doing exactly that. For example, they explain how
 the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The board of directors
 is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law / state / courts
 that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in accordance to the
 goals of the foundation. 

The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view, when we did
not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will follow.
So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans structure,
it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes.


 
 
 So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak about the actual
 structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal
 entity: they speak about the composition of the BoD, and the BoD is
 part of the structure of the foundation as a legal entity, and by law
 the BoD must be involved in the governance of the foundation as a
 legal entity.

Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure, BoD is one
of the perfect (99%) matches.

 
 
 Other examples:
 
  * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of representing the Foundation.

This is something we need to change, if the foundation will be approved
by German authorities.

As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors) represents the
Foundation.

regards,

André

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[board-discuss] Reminder: next BoD call in 6 hours

2011-11-30 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

just a reminder: the next BoD call is in 6 hours. For more information, 
see yesterday's mail.


Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity

2011-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The key words afaik are as a legal entity.  TDF's assets are currently being 
looked after by 1 (or more) of the community organisations that are legally 
registered as legal entitys.  TDF has not yet gained the status of being a 
legal entity.  When it does the assets will be transferred.  It was great to 
hear that the registration process is nearly complete already!  I thought it 
would take at least a year! :)  But perhaps i am reading too much into Andre's 
post.
Regards from
Tom :) 



--- On Wed, 30/11/11, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote:

 From: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
 Subject: Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and actual structure and 
 governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity
 To: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 9:23
 Hi Lionel,
 
  Original-Nachricht 
  Von: Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu
 
 
  I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm
 confused. It says
  These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and
 governance of
  The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...).
 
 Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some
 cunfusing points.
 
 We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few
 (hopefully 
 two) weeks.
 
 
  
  But then they go on doing exactly that. For example,
 they explain how
  the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The
 board of directors
  is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law /
 state / courts
  that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in
 accordance to the
  goals of the foundation. 
 
 The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view,
 when we did
 not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will
 follow.
 So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans
 structure,
 it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes.
 
 
  
  
  So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak
 about the actual
  structure and governance of The Document Foundation as
 a legal
  entity: they speak about the composition of the BoD,
 and the BoD is
  part of the structure of the foundation as a legal
 entity, and by law
  the BoD must be involved in the governance of the
 foundation as a
  legal entity.
 
 Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure,
 BoD is one
 of the perfect (99%) matches.
 
  
  
  Other examples:
  
   * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of
 representing the Foundation.
 
 This is something we need to change, if the foundation will
 be approved
 by German authorities.
 
 As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors)
 represents the
 Foundation.
 
 regards,
 
 André
 
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