Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi wrote: >4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Agree El 2020-05-26 11:02, Heiko Tietze escribió: Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way to split answers into more or less experienced people. So back to Stallman/Thorvalds/Musk/Trump, the better option is maybe "I'm a professional system administrator" (whatever we put there, it's clear that this is the maximum option). On 26.05.20 16:52, Paolo Vecchi wrote: On 26/05/2020 16:09, Brett Cornwall wrote: On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi wrote: 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker. :D True. So shall we settle for Linus Torvalds or there are other suggestions? Paolo -- Daniel Armando Rodriguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Just having a bit of fun :-) I'm OK with any terminology you want to use to measure the level of nerdiness of the users. Paolo On 26/05/2020 17:02, Heiko Tietze wrote: > Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we > have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and > which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way > to split answers into more or less experienced people. So back to > Stallman/Thorvalds/Musk/Trump, the better option is maybe "I'm a professional > system administrator" (whatever we put there, it's clear that this is the > maximum option). > > On 26.05.20 16:52, Paolo Vecchi wrote: >> On 26/05/2020 16:09, Brett Cornwall wrote: >>> On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi >>> wrote: 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? >>> Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days >>> and makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker. >> :D True. >> >> So shall we settle for Linus Torvalds or there are other suggestions? >> >> Paolo >> -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Designing a poll on LOOL usage patterns & needs (was: LOOL user experience)
Both are fine for me. And the questions are mostly what Sam suggested with open responses. On 26.05.20 15:39, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > How would you like to get feedback for that document - direct edits or > comments, or discuss here? > > I personally liked Sam's suggestion, perhaps we can tweak more of the > existing questions that way (e.g. on question 2, prefix that with a > question on whether/where the participant got his last VPS / nextcloud > / wordpress / bare-metal server setup)? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way to split answers into more or less experienced people. So back to Stallman/Thorvalds/Musk/Trump, the better option is maybe "I'm a professional system administrator" (whatever we put there, it's clear that this is the maximum option). On 26.05.20 16:52, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > > On 26/05/2020 16:09, Brett Cornwall wrote: >> >> On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi >> wrote: >>> 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >>> stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? >> Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and >> makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker. > :D True. > > So shall we settle for Linus Torvalds or there are other suggestions? > > Paolo > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
On 26/05/2020 16:55, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: > El 2020-05-26 09:10, Paolo Vecchi escribió: >> That's a very good proposal Heiko. >> >> Just some amendments: >> >> 1.1 >> (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that >> easy to build) >> Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online? >> I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only >> available on platforms like Univention. >> >> Maybe the following sounds better? >> 2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their >> own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative >> office suite? > > Indeed > >> 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >> stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? > > Why not just saying a 'tech guru'. Also that could be a good option but it would be cool if Linus actually comes along to give his feedback ticking that box :-) > >> We could also add the following questions to see if individuals would >> sponsor the project and business users want/need paid for support >> services? >> >> 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF >> specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? >> >> 7 As a business user would you prefer to use the paid for versions of >> LibreOffice Online delivered and supported by partner organisations? >> >> Ciao >> >> Paolo >> >> On 26/05/2020 14:43, Heiko Tietze wrote: >>> Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud >>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ >>> >>> Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might >>> get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And >>> hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply >>> what's needed for a one-click installation. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Heiko >>> > -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
El 2020-05-26 09:10, Paolo Vecchi escribió: That's a very good proposal Heiko. Just some amendments: 1.1 (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that easy to build) Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online? I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only available on platforms like Univention. Maybe the following sounds better? 2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative office suite? Indeed 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? Why not just saying a 'tech guru'. We could also add the following questions to see if individuals would sponsor the project and business users want/need paid for support services? 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? 7 As a business user would you prefer to use the paid for versions of LibreOffice Online delivered and supported by partner organisations? Ciao Paolo On 26/05/2020 14:43, Heiko Tietze wrote: Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply what's needed for a one-click installation. Cheers, Heiko -- Daniel Armando Rodriguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
On 26/05/2020 16:09, Brett Cornwall wrote: > > On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi > wrote: >> 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >> stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? > Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and > makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker. :D True. So shall we settle for Linus Torvalds or there are other suggestions? Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Designing a poll on LOOL usage patterns & needs (was: LOOL user experience)
I agree with Thorsten. Not many build their own LibreOffice Online so knowing which platform they use it would be interesting. eg. Are you self hosting your "Cloud" collaborative office suite yourself? Yes/No Are you using a local server or remote hosting/VPS/Cloud services? ... Which platform are you using to access your "Cloud" collaborative office suite yourself? - ownCloud - NextCloud - ... etc... Paolo On 26/05/2020 15:39, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > Heiko Tietze wrote: >> Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud >> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ >> > How would you like to get feedback for that document - direct edits or > comments, or discuss here? > > I personally liked Sam's suggestion, perhaps we can tweak more of the > existing questions that way (e.g. on question 2, prefix that with a > question on whether/where the participant got his last VPS / nextcloud > / wordpress / bare-metal server setup)? > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
On 26/05/2020 15:43, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Paolo Vecchi wrote: >> 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF >> specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? >> > We can't do that. Is that a technical issue? Not even as a selection box in the donation page specifying if they have a preference to support LibreOffice desktop or Online? Question 7 doesn't present the same issue? > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Paolo Vecchi wrote: > 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF > specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? > We can't do that. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[board-discuss] Designing a poll on LOOL usage patterns & needs (was: LOOL user experience)
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze wrote: > Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ > How would you like to get feedback for that document - direct edits or comments, or discuss here? I personally liked Sam's suggestion, perhaps we can tweak more of the existing questions that way (e.g. on question 2, prefix that with a question on whether/where the participant got his last VPS / nextcloud / wordpress / bare-metal server setup)? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Hi all, On 26/05/2020 14:59, Cor Nouws wrote: > > One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board > meeting, there will be a public discussion on LOOL and ecosystem first, > before we start implementing solutions. And for that discussion, Paolo, > Franklin, Thorsten and Michael are preparing the start document, as > agreed in that meeting too. > ... > Greetings, > Cor > > Things are changing fast and while we talked about an option of having 4 non marketing experts writing, pretty much, a marketing document a new option has been proposed to speed up the process and improve the quality of result. We are now looking at the option to start presenting the draft of the plan at next Board meeting, if we can make it on time, so that everybody can join in to improve it but I'll leave this types of official announcements to our chairman. In the meantime I personally welcome all initiatives, like yours Heiko, that will help in getting more feedback from the community as they will help us in improving the project. Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
That's a very good proposal Heiko. Just some amendments: 1.1 (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that easy to build) Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online? I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only available on platforms like Univention. Maybe the following sounds better? 2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative office suite? 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? We could also add the following questions to see if individuals would sponsor the project and business users want/need paid for support services? 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? 7 As a business user would you prefer to use the paid for versions of LibreOffice Online delivered and supported by partner organisations? Ciao Paolo On 26/05/2020 14:43, Heiko Tietze wrote: > Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ > > Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might get a > feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And hopefully some > have experienced success or failed and can reply what's needed for a > one-click installation. > > Cheers, > Heiko > -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze wrote on 26/05/2020 14:43: > Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ Thanks. Good start! One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board meeting, there will be a public discussion on LOOL and ecosystem first, before we start implementing solutions. And for that discussion, Paolo, Franklin, Thorsten and Michael are preparing the start document, as agreed in that meeting too. Now there is (on a quick look) at least one question in the survey, of which the answer clearly depends on the information that the submitter has. "Shall enterprises (and even individuals) can deploy their own LibreOffice Online to have a cloud based collaborative office suite?" > Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might > get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And > hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply > what's needed for a one-click installation. So IMO we should wait to make sure the survey is clarified, improved, extended with the outcome of the discussion. (I know running surveys is fun and hip, but starting a second one later is dump and confusing, So let's not do that. Greetings, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience
Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply what's needed for a one-click installation. Cheers, Heiko signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
