Re: [board-discuss] Drafting Tender "Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance"

2022-02-04 Thread Michael Stahl

hello again,

On 03.02.22 14:30, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Florian Effenberger wrote on 01.12.21 at 15:30:



(3)
Is it possible to get
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48392
ODF: Implementation for svg:linearGradient and svg:radialGradient is 
missing

as explicit issue for "Required"?
We had this already as suggestion "Multi-color gradient" in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021
and now again in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022


I've added it. Not sure, however, how much that would change the 
work/cost estimate of the tender.


This is in the draft. We can add a similar note as mentioned above if 
we're unsure about the work required.


so i've discussed this with Armin now and we noticed that this would be 
a *lot* of effort and really should be a separate tender, and the 
gradients are currently listed separately in the Wiki page.


or, put another way, if you put the gradients into this tender there 
won't be any time to fix any other bug.


regards,
 michael

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Re: [board-discuss] Drafting Tender "Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance"

2022-02-04 Thread Michael Stahl

hi Florian,

On 03.02.22 14:30, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello everyone,

the below mail is a bit older - Christmas break and some other tenders 
came in between, so I get to this only now.


Florian Effenberger wrote on 01.12.21 at 15:30:




(2)
The search result from item "Required 2." contains Meta-issues. 
Expanding them results in 80 issues.


Using Whiteboard as search criteria has no advantage compared to the 
Meta-issues. And I think both, Whitheboard search or Meta-issues, are 
not suitable for a tender, but a tender needs to list the issues 
explicitly.


The list from Whiteboard search and Meta-issues needs to be examined 
and prioritized manually.


This is taken from the specification at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021#Cleanup_.26_further_improve_ODF_conformance 



I fear answering that question is beyond my skills. ;-) Does it make 
sense to bounce this question back to the ESC for further specification?


Regina (thanks a lot!) sent a list of bugs back in December on the dev 
mailing list: 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2021-December/088210.html 



Was there any further discussion or feedback on this? If the list 
mentioned there is fine, I replace item 2 from the tender with it. If 
we're unsure whether that meets the budget or not, as the person days 
are listed in the tender, we can add a note along the lines of "Please 
propose a subset and prioritization of these bugs, that do not exceed 
the person days factored in for this tender, see below."


thanks for reminding me, due to too much vacation i forgot but now i 
just provided some feedback about some of the issues to Regina.


i haven't thought about how much time the selected issues would require 
yet, it's possible it might still be more than the budget which the BoD 
wants to spend, so i guess a fixed budget and then apply for a subset of 
the issues makes sense.



Michael Stahl wrote on 03.11.21 at 10:49:


the scope of this is quite large and unclear... *required* items are:

1. ODFAutoTests: addressing issues will be difficult because as 
Regina points out the web service appears to be offline.
   IIRC it's possible to run the tests offline, but currently i guess 
nobody knows how much work it is to set that up and what problems 
would actually be found, so i guess this item mostly amounts to "get 
ODFAutoTests to run at all".


I've tried to rephrase #1 a bit, let me know if this is better.


Is the current wording fine?


i guess, as long as nobody interprets it to mean "set up a public 
website" :)



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Re: [board-discuss] Drafting Tender "Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance"

2022-02-04 Thread Miklos Vajna
Hi Florian,

On Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 02:30:31PM +0100, Florian Effenberger 
 wrote:
> Regina (thanks a lot!) sent a list of bugs back in December on the dev
> mailing list:
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2021-December/088210.html
> 
> Was there any further discussion or feedback on this? If the list mentioned
> there is fine, I replace item 2 from the tender with it. If we're unsure
> whether that meets the budget or not, as the person days are listed in the
> tender, we can add a note along the lines of "Please propose a subset and
> prioritization of these bugs, that do not exceed the person days factored in
> for this tender, see below."

I think this approach could work.

Regards,

Miklos

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