Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
El 2020-07-17 11:12, Thorsten Behrens escribió: Hi Franklin, all, Franklin Weng wrote: BTW, even if it becomes 15th useless channel, which can be tweaked, tried and improved from the running experiences, it will not be a big deal IMO. Sure, it would create more silos & further fracture the community. As I said during the board call - this is lovely technology, that I can imagine we can put to good use, for some areas. But it doesn't solve the 'too many channels' problem (as it was advertised to do). Let's not fool ourselves. Unless we're willing to shut down mailing lists & telegram channels, and actively shepherd community members over. We have to show the community the usefulness of the platform. We can't make use mandatory, that doesn't work. I already commented on the numbers related to the number of subscribers that have some mailing lists, and such numbers are not representative of the whole community IMO. -- DAR -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
Hi Franklin, all, Franklin Weng wrote: > BTW, even if it becomes 15th useless channel, which can be tweaked, > tried and improved from the running experiences, it will not be a > big deal IMO. > Sure, it would create more silos & further fracture the community. As I said during the board call - this is lovely technology, that I can imagine we can put to good use, for some areas. But it doesn't solve the 'too many channels' problem (as it was advertised to do). Let's not fool ourselves. Unless we're willing to shut down mailing lists & telegram channels, and actively shepherd community members over. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
Hi, Le 09/07/2020 à 16:03, Daniel Armando Rodriguez a écrit : > El 2020-07-09 06:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió: >> Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44: >>> Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down. >>> But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels >>> problem? >> >> In my view it would not help solve that specific problem. I guess the >> idea was instead to have a channel geared towards a very specific >> purpose (feedback to TDF governance) with an interface that would be >> pleasant for the majority. > > Ilmari did the reading I was aiming at. > > One example, spanish ML has 329 subscribers so far. Takign just the 1% > of the spanish speaking people worldwide, which is about 500 millions, > that number is not even insignificant. > > That's the main reason that motivates me, to bring new users closer > through a channel more in tune with the current times and, therefore, > something that most computer users are used to. I agree, and by the way, it's not yet another communication channel as some may see it, it's a participative platform to collect feedback from large groups in an organized way either by comments, supports or votesœ. Decision takers spend less time to analyze and sort the feedback provided than on mailing lists. For a project of our size, I feel it's also needed to have participatory mechanisms that are welcoming to NLPs too and civic technologies are an answer to that. Thorsten, I understand your fears that the communication may spread over another tool, but it's a matter of education and contributors will quickly see the advantages of using it instead of posting on Telegram, BZ or mailing lists because it's exactly done for governance. It's also a way to value their feedback by having a mean to support it. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier so...@libreoffice.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
El 2020-07-09 06:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió: Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44: Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down. But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem? In my view it would not help solve that specific problem. I guess the idea was instead to have a channel geared towards a very specific purpose (feedback to TDF governance) with an interface that would be pleasant for the majority. Ilmari did the reading I was aiming at. One example, spanish ML has 329 subscribers so far. Takign just the 1% of the spanish speaking people worldwide, which is about 500 millions, that number is not even insignificant. That's the main reason that motivates me, to bring new users closer through a channel more in tune with the current times and, therefore, something that most computer users are used to. -- DAR -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
Thorsten Behrens kirjoitti 9.7.2020 klo 11.44: Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down. But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem? In my view it would not help solve that specific problem. I guess the idea was instead to have a channel geared towards a very specific purpose (feedback to TDF governance) with an interface that would be pleasant for the majority. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [board-discuss] Initiative to improve communication channels
Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > DemocracyOS vs. anything we currently have is an apples to oranges > comparison meaning we *can't* shut anything down. > But how would DemocracyOS then help to solve the too-many-channels problem? Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
