Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-06-18 21.33: For things such as annual subscriptions and stuff it makes sense to deal with it now so that the BoD don't have to worry about it until next year. The OASIS thing sounds like a lot of money to me but people that know what it offers are all saying yes, by the sounds of it, so i think maybe just do it. well, I would wait for the BoD, but seems I am alone with this position. :-) This is ok, but keep in mind, that at the moment we neither should spend the money nor make any contracts, so let's wait until the foundation really exists before acting legally. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hello Dennis, I guess I can answer as I also happen to be one of the directors of the OASIS... :-) 2011/6/19 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Yes indeed. The membership registration phase is rather simple, but the time to get the new member representative and/or the team acquainted with the various tools, intranet, etc. usually takes some time. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. The relevant page is here: http://oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr In short, when it comes to ODF or CMIS the OASIS consortium requires anyone to leave its patents at the door and renounce any claim to royalty. I think TDF members will agree to it :) I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. I would suggest that one should be a member of TDF/LibreOffice project. I would also suggest that if the interested person would like to contribute technical work to the OASIS TC(s) he/she should apply first to the ESC; if it's for other (such as the Adoption TC or a more general role) he/she should be appointed by the SC/Bod. That said, Dennis, am I to understand you'd be interested in contributing to the OASIS under the TDF umbrella? Best, Charles. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi all, On 18/06/2011 09:58, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
From: sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 12:51:17 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium Hi all, On 18/06/2011 09:58, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. Kind regards Sophie Hi :) Some organisations vote only a 3rd of positions each time. Specific legally required roles such as Company Secretary, Finance/Treasurer and Chair are sometimes nominated from existing board members although often the newly elected board members are included. Since those elections are normally held annually it means each board member is committing to 3 years. So, perhaps for TDF it might be better to have the rolling elections every 6months with the legally required posts being voted on annually. This system ensures that 2/3rd majority are stable, established, experienced board members that are already up to speed on relevant issues. It gives external organisations confidence that agreements are not going to be suddenly over-turned just after the AGM. It helps new board members to quickly learn their way around. It helps to get fresh blood and a new perspective, a new energy into the board without compromising stability. I think this first time all the positions need to be voted on but hopefully that will mostly be a case of voting in people that already do a great job. Italo, Sophie, Cor and of course Florian are highly visible, well regarded and do an excellent job but i would guess there are others i don't notice that also do crucially important work. It might be another thing that is good to discuss now to present recommendations to the BoD but it might be better to wait and let them discuss this sort of thing after elections. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hello everyone this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 19:18:40 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Florian Hi :) For things such as annual subscriptions and stuff it makes sense to deal with it now so that the BoD don't have to worry about it until next year. The OASIS thing sounds like a lot of money to me but people that know what it offers are all saying yes, by the sounds of it, so i think maybe just do it. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Charles-H. Schulz wrote (18-06-11 16:50) I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. Indeed. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). Plus that it is hard to imagine that the BOD would not consider joining the home of ODF important. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Thanks much for the details. //drew On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 15:42 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi SC, I'm no member of the SC so I only want to put a thought in the discussion. Am 15.06.2011 19:32, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Le Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:19:44 +0200, Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I remember we wanted to join the OASIS Consortium :-) After checking within the OASIS, it appears the annual membership cost for NGO is around 700 Euros (1100 USD). Hi Charles, all, wearing my TDF hat here (and not my OASIS one - with that, I'd warmly welcome this move) - before starting to approve things like this, I'd rather collect a few more things we may need to do this year, and come up with a proper budget plan. Before the foundation is formally setup, I don't think joining somewhere is really possible, anyway? I think it is, but on the other hand we can vote positively now, but only proceed to join when we are properly set up. Even the membership registration process takes time there. So we can decide now and execute in 2 months or so. If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
