Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
Hi Daniel, Bernhard, all, On 25/04/2011 02:43, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Daniel, SC members, I just want to show you what already has been discussed on this topic. See two links below... Daniel Gonzalez schrieb: On 04/12/2011 08:02 AM, Daniel Gonzalez wrote: Hi all I wonder if there are any process to validate a LUG or TDF Group LibreOffice users in a given country. Venezuela is being born in a group of users after Flisol LibreOffice Caracas and one of the questions that we asked is whether the stand we had and the group that was building had approval by TDF. So far there hispanic community encompassing all Spanish-speaking countries but I think it is necessary to jump to something more localized due to local activities that may be generated in each country. Saying? Greetings Hi Guys Sorry to insist on this thread, but I think it is very important to the community in general LibreOffice The intention is to have your support for the creation of user groups in each country the intention is as follows.[...] I hope they give me their opinions to make progress on this issue. Greetings. There are two threads about creating an official logo for a local team in Venezuela on the design@LibO list: Here are the starting mails of these threads: http://go.mail-archive.com/_Cr8tEWfxl-nFFMByPoYBLpTwGQ= http://go.mail-archive.com/_kfDTmWMFBOVLNA5vrH5G907DzI= I tried to describe the difference between local marketing teams and general language based teams for user support and all the other activities in my replies to these threads. Drew is working on a similar topic for the North American team (he just mentioned this in his last mail in the second thread from above). I hope these links give a bit more background information without taking too much time for you! Sorry for the late reply, and thanks a lot for the links and the details you both provide on this. I already gave my opinion on this topic to Daniel and Daniel, so they know that I'm all for their action. I'm the one battling the most I think for the language groups to be the only official representation in the project, but I completely understand the needs for local marketing and support. So of course, I support the creation of the material you're designing and also really appreciate your work on this. As I tell you, there is already various associations existing in different countries that support local actions, more or less officially representing LibreOffice. I would like that we have a more clear and defined affiliation and support between these associations and the TDF, but I didn't get the time to think enough about it yet. In any way, if you want to set such associations in Venezuela or Argentina, I don't see any issue. Kind regards Sophie speaking as a Steering Committee member here -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [us-marketing] Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:19 -0400, drew wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 15:32 +0300, sophie wrote: snip I already gave my opinion on this topic to Daniel and Daniel, so they know that I'm all for their action. I'm the one battling the most I think for the language groups to be the only official representation in the project, Hi Sophie, others Alright - this is the part I find difficult to reconcile only official representation. Naturally there are certain functions here, such as translations where the language based association of individuals should make a team and that team should have responsibility for that function. sorry - poor typing However, once you step past translation work I do not see the clear line that says this group has official responsibilities with other functions performed. Could you expand on that for me, what you mean by 'only official representation' - it would help me understand. but I completely understand the needs for local marketing and support. So of course, I support the creation of the material you're designing and also really appreciate your work on this. As I tell you, there is already various associations existing in different countries that support local actions, more or less officially representing LibreOffice. I would like that we have a more clear and defined affiliation and support between these associations and the TDF, but I didn't get the time to think enough about it yet. In any way, if you want to set such associations in Venezuela or Argentina, I don't see any issue. If I follow what you are saying - if you create a legal entity of some kind, outside of TDF, and then want to work with us that is OK - that is a fairly high bar to set, IMO. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [us-marketing] Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
I resend my mail with a reply to all, I haven't seen that there is other lists in copy, sorry for the double posting on the US list. Hi Drew, On 05/05/2011 17:25, drew wrote: [...] Hi Sophie, others Alright - this is the part I find difficult to reconcile only official representation. Naturally there are certain functions here, such as translations where the language based association of individuals should make a team and that team should have responsibility for that function. sorry - poor typing However, once you step past translation work I do not see the clear line that says this group has official responsibilities with other functions performed. The primary goal of our project, in my eyes, is to offer an office suite in the language of the user. To achieve that, you need to put the language at the first place and whatever the history, the politics or the countries where this language exists, try to exists or has existed. An example can be Macedonian [1], but there are others even more touchy. So to evacuate this issue that is far from the goal of the project, languages are officially represented, not countries. This doesn't hinder the creation of local associations and representations [if it doesn't constrain the members of the language team to enter into political wars, of course, we won't support/endorse political actions in this way too]. This is the reason why also we don't use flags to represent the languages on our sites, wikis, etc. I hope you understand better my position, but don't hesitate if it's not clear. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
Hi Daniel, SC members, I just want to show you what already has been discussed on this topic. See two links below... Daniel Gonzalez schrieb: On 04/12/2011 08:02 AM, Daniel Gonzalez wrote: Hi all I wonder if there are any process to validate a LUG or TDF Group LibreOffice users in a given country. Venezuela is being born in a group of users after Flisol LibreOffice Caracas and one of the questions that we asked is whether the stand we had and the group that was building had approval by TDF. So far there hispanic community encompassing all Spanish-speaking countries but I think it is necessary to jump to something more localized due to local activities that may be generated in each country. Saying? Greetings Hi Guys Sorry to insist on this thread, but I think it is very important to the community in general LibreOffice The intention is to have your support for the creation of user groups in each country the intention is as follows.[...] I hope they give me their opinions to make progress on this issue. Greetings. There are two threads about creating an official logo for a local team in Venezuela on the design@LibO list: Here are the starting mails of these threads: http://go.mail-archive.com/_Cr8tEWfxl-nFFMByPoYBLpTwGQ= http://go.mail-archive.com/_kfDTmWMFBOVLNA5vrH5G907DzI= I tried to describe the difference between local marketing teams and general language based teams for user support and all the other activities in my replies to these threads. Drew is working on a similar topic for the North American team (he just mentioned this in his last mail in the second thread from above). I hope these links give a bit more background information without taking too much time for you! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
