Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
On 12 Jul 2011, at 15:51, Andre Schnabel wrote: Von: Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com I'd also like to ensure that we have more core, and/or code contributors in there - or perhaps I'm missing something. My primary goal is to have people at the MC who attent meetings so that we get a quorum, and fullfill the duties given to them. But the decision at hand is to the SC ;) For the moment we need a solution to keep the MC in function. But as discussed in last SC meeting we need to change the MC setup anyway - it needs to be elected by TDF members. These elections should be done not to far after BoD elections and I'm looking forward to lots of applications. If you'd like a volunteer, I'd be happy to help with the MC - I suspect that the additional load now and during the elections will need an extra pair of hands. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi André, hi all, Am 11. Juli 2011 14:56 schrieb André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Dear SC members, as today's MC meeting had to be postponed again we (Sophie and me) like to suggest following changes for the MC: 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and David of courrse need to agree on this ) when I talked to André about helping the MC, I want to make clear that just offer me 'cause I understand that my fluency in some languages can help in the process. If you may evaluate, you can talk with Olivier, with Jesus, with Claudio and some others that could talk to me (in person or not) that I usually was the interpreter for almost everyone from BrOffice, in the FOSS events. Of course, switching between some languages during three or four days, almost makes you forget to speak your primary language, but this doesn't happen in the MC. If it's necessary to be a deputy or not, I really don't know. I appreciate and accept the invitation of Andre, but I want to leave this list totally free. If I can participate in this job with the MC, not being a deputy or being a deputy, for me is fine. David 2. approve that the MC should decide on applications in consensus with a needed qurom of 2/3rd (means currently 4 members). Reviewing membership applications is (imho) one of the key tasks for our community - so the current situation is quite unfortunate. Sophie and me agreed, that we should not take a decision if only two members are in a meeting. Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi Em 13-07-2011 09:51, David Emmerich Jourdain escreveu: when I talked to André about helping the MC, I want to make clear that just offer me 'cause I understand that my fluency in some languages can help in the process. If you may evaluate, you can talk with Olivier, with Jesus, with Claudio and some others that could talk to me (in person or not) that I usually was the interpreter for almost everyone from BrOffice, in the FOSS events. Of course, switching between some languages during three or four days, almost makes you forget to speak your primary language, but this doesn't happen in the MC. In my view, David is a good translator, indeed. Concerning to the MC, I think that there must have *Web of Trust* and, here, we got problems in finding a connector for this WoT concerning to David. I think we need people without any problems inside that WoT. Since the begining of TDF, he is using an untrue description in his profile at TDF's website [1]. I have warned core@ already, but this profile is still there. [1]http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ As he cited my name, this is my position about him. Best, Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi :) Would his description be more accurate if someone changed it from ... David is the LibreOffice community representative in Brazil. to David is a LibreOffice community representative in Brazil. It is difficult to claim someone is representing any community accurately as the whole point about a community is that there are many diverse, probably conflicting, opinions and representing all those opinions in a fair way is very difficult and possibly unlikely to happen. We do what we can but never achieve perfection (hopefully). It is even difficult if the community votes on who is to 'represent them'. Regards from Tom :) From: Claudio F Filho filh...@broffice.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 15:01:27 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee Hi Em 13-07-2011 09:51, David Emmerich Jourdain escreveu: when I talked to André about helping the MC, I want to make clear that just offer me 'cause I understand that my fluency in some languages can help in the process. If you may evaluate, you can talk with Olivier, with Jesus, with Claudio and some others that could talk to me (in person or not) that I usually was the interpreter for almost everyone from BrOffice, in the FOSS events. Of course, switching between some languages during three or four days, almost makes you forget to speak your primary language, but this doesn't happen in the MC. In my view, David is a good translator, indeed. Concerning to the MC, I think that there must have *Web of Trust* and, here, we got problems in finding a connector for this WoT concerning to David. I think we need people without any problems inside that WoT. Since the begining of TDF, he is using an untrue description in his profile at TDF's website [1]. I have warned core@ already, but this profile is still there. [1]http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ As he cited my name, this is my position about him. Best, Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
2011/7/13 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Would his description be more accurate if someone changed it from ... David is the LibreOffice community representative in Brazil. to David is a LibreOffice community representative in Brazil. It is difficult to claim someone is representing any community accurately as the whole point about a community is that there are many diverse, probably conflicting, opinions and representing all those opinions in a fair way is very difficult and possibly unlikely to happen. We do what we can but never achieve perfection (hopefully). It is even difficult if the community votes on who is to 'represent them'. Regards from Tom :) Hi Tom. In my view, anyone who contribute is a community representative, mainly TDF members. When someone describes himself as community representative, he's taking a title that doesn't belong to him. That could give the wrong impression he's in charge of community's public relationships, when he's not. But I also think this discussion is taking a wrong path. I don't think we must judge people for what they've done at this very moment. I think Claudio's comment was made only to advise MC that this issue could become ugly under brazilian community's eyes, with David in MC. It *could*, but it doesn't mean it *will*, right? Rgds -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi all, 2011/7/13 Claudio F Filho filh...@broffice.org Hi Em 13-07-2011 09:51, David Emmerich Jourdain escreveu: when I talked to André about helping the MC, I want to make clear that just offer me 'cause I understand that my fluency in some languages can help in the process. If you may evaluate, you can talk with Olivier, with Jesus, with Claudio and some others that could talk to me (in person or not) that I usually was the interpreter for almost everyone from BrOffice, in the FOSS events. Of course, switching between some languages during three or four days, almost makes you forget to speak your primary language, but this doesn't happen in the MC. In my view, David is a good translator, indeed. Concerning to the MC, I think that there must have *Web of Trust* and, here, we got problems in finding a connector for this WoT concerning to David. I think we need people without any problems inside that WoT. So, Cláudio!! if you don't help at all and don't let anyone to help... Since the begining of TDF, he is using an untrue description in his profile at TDF's website [1]. I have warned core@ already, but this profile is still there. [1]http://www.**documentfoundation.org/**foundation/http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ about what Cláudio told, I already responded in another tread that this information was included by the marketing team (not by me) and I left the team completely free to change as they choose. If you returned to this theme, or you don't read this tread, or do you have bad intentions. Again, the marketing team can change as they think better. As said before, I say now. And thank you for your cooperation here, Cláudio. You have helped a lot. David As he cited my name, this is my position about him. Best, Claudio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
2011/7/13 David Emmerich Jourdain jourd...@gmx.de Hi all, about what Cláudio told, I already responded in another tread that this information was included by the marketing team (not by me) and I left the team completely free to change as they choose. If you returned to this theme, or you don't read this tread, or do you have bad intentions. Again, the marketing team can change as they think better. As said before, I say now. I'm not sure about what those bad intentions it could be. The fact is: brazilian community was involved into many discussions at marketing@ list some weeks ago, and we agreed to attend some claims from TDF, and TDF ageed to do the same on our claims. Our part of that agreement was done. But many of our claims didn't. One of them was removing that description from you profile. I don't know who is responsible for that, I just know that this was not done. But I refuse to start another battle like that in this list. Please, everyone calm down and let's talk about the subject of this thread, ok? And thank you for your cooperation here, Cláudio. You have helped a lot. David Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi :) +1 All things, however unlikely, are possibly possible. I agree that we shouldn't spend much more time on this. I just wondered if there was a quick fix to solve the issue but if it doesn't fix the problem then there is no need to drag the argument back into the spotlight. Regards from Tom :) From: Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: filh...@broffice.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 15:27:10 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee snip / It *could*, but it doesn't mean it *will*, right? Rgds -- Paulo de Souza Lima -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi Paulo, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-07-13 16.44: I'm not sure about what those bad intentions it could be. The fact is: brazilian community was involved into many discussions at marketing@ list some weeks ago, and we agreed to attend some claims from TDF, and TDF ageed to do the same on our claims. Our part of that agreement was done. But many of our claims didn't. One of them was removing that description from you profile. I don't know who is responsible for that, I just know that this was not done. just so it does not get missed: I recall the discussion about David's title, and indeed, this seem to have been lost a bit. However, which other agreements have been made that have not yet been fulfilled? If we missed something, please let us know. I really would like to have an open talk in order to avoid misunderstandings. Working together, honestly and united, is crucial for the success of our common goal, so if there is something you think has been promised but not yet done, please let us know. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi, 2011/7/11 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net Dear SC members, as today's MC meeting had to be postponed again we (Sophie and me) like to suggest following changes for the MC: 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and David of courrse need to agree on this ) 2. approve that the MC should decide on applications in consensus with a needed qurom of 2/3rd (means currently 4 members). Reviewing membership applications is (imho) one of the key tasks for our community - so the current situation is quite unfortunate. Sophie and me agreed, that we should not take a decision if only two members are in a meeting. +1 to the above. Best, Charles. Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
David, 2011/7/12 David Nelson li...@traduction.biz Hi, 2011/7/11 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Dear SC members, as today's MC meeting had to be postponed again we (Sophie and me) like to suggest following changes for the MC: 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and David of courrse need to agree on this ) 2. approve that the MC should decide on applications in consensus with a needed qurom of 2/3rd (means currently 4 members). Reviewing membership applications is (imho) one of the key tasks for our community - so the current situation is quite unfortunate. Sophie and me agreed, that we should not take a decision if only two members are in a meeting. IMHO, it would be better if the MC were to be composed of more than 4 members... I feel that at least 6 to 9 members would ensure better processing of MC business, and would ensure better quality decision-taking (better assurance of impartiality, etc.). I think it's not a matter of impartiality, but a matter of calibrating what works best. There's room for improvement in the MC organization, and I think it's good that the MC itself feels things should improve. Let's see what the new changes would bring. best, Charles. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Dear SC members, as today's MC meeting had to be postponed again we (Sophie and me) like to suggest following changes for the MC: 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and David of courrse need to agree on this ) 2. approve that the MC should decide on applications in consensus with a needed qurom of 2/3rd (means currently 4 members). Reviewing membership applications is (imho) one of the key tasks for our community - so the current situation is quite unfortunate. Sophie and me agreed, that we should not take a decision if only two members are in a meeting. Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi, 2011/7/11 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Dear SC members, as today's MC meeting had to be postponed again we (Sophie and me) like to suggest following changes for the MC: 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and David of courrse need to agree on this ) 2. approve that the MC should decide on applications in consensus with a needed qurom of 2/3rd (means currently 4 members). Reviewing membership applications is (imho) one of the key tasks for our community - so the current situation is quite unfortunate. Sophie and me agreed, that we should not take a decision if only two members are in a meeting. IMHO, it would be better if the MC were to be composed of more than 4 members... I feel that at least 6 to 9 members would ensure better processing of MC business, and would ensure better quality decision-taking (better assurance of impartiality, etc.). -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
