Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi all,

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-07-19 11.56:
>>
>> -1 as this was not what we discussed in the call. This is missing the
>> recommendation to use Linux screenshots (as we acknoledged, that there might
>> be a very low risk otherwise).
>
> yes, indeed, that's what we discussed during the call. Maybe Olivier, you
> can elaborate on what the concrete problem is?

-1 from my side too.

Kind regards
Sophie


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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think it's best to stick with the original wording. 
"It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a 
legal 
risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is deemed 
low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default ones, 
screenshots on Windows are also possible."

It was very smart and left things open for other platforms too.  Also that's 
the 
wording that quite a few people have already cast votes on.  Mac and Bsd are 
side issues in this debate because neither of them have a separate Office Suite 
that is a major income stream for them so they are much less likely to fight 
tooth&claw against us. 

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Andre Schnabel 
To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Tue, 19 July, 2011 10:56:12
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in 
TDF materials

Hi,

-1 as this was not what we discussed in the call. This is missing the 
recommendation to use Linux screenshots (as we acknoledged, that there might be 
a very low risk otherwise).

André

> - Ursprüngliche Nachricht -
> Von: Olivier Hallot
> Gesendet: 19.07.11 11:55 Uhr
> An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots 
> in 
>TDF materials
> 
> HI Florian
> 
> And my vote is +1
> 
> Regards
> 
> Em 19-07-2011 05:57, Florian Effenberger escreveu:
> > Hello,
> >
> > David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-18 20.04:
> >> May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was
> >> "Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials
> >> for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform,
> >> notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems
> >> and graphical user interfaces."
> >
> > Olivier, would this also comfort you, is this in the direction you 
> > were thinking?
> >
> > Florian
> >
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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1 to all this.  

The agreed wording, that keeps getting repeated, allows  screen-shots to be 
taken in MS Windows.  The wording also cleverly allows screen-shots on other 
platforms.  


The perceived issue with MS is that MS Office is possibly their main income 
stream.  People might buy 2 or 3 versions of MSO to upgrade that while only 
upgrading their OS once.  If MS see TDF as a threat to that income stream then 
we can expect them to try to reduce that threat.  Hopefully they might do that 
as fantastically well as they manage to build stable, secure products but we 
can't rely on that.  


Oracle fell 'easily' because it wasn't a fight they were particularly 
interested 
in but with MS its a crucial part of their business, especially if we get onto 
the Cloud or when people realise the Cloud is "a pipe-dream" and deeply flawed.

Regards from
Tom :)






From: Olivier Hallot 
To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Mon, 18 July, 2011 18:30:06
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in 
TDF materials

Hi
my vote is to use MS Windows screenshots, for windows-only situations (as in
the install)
Thanks and regards

2011/7/18 André Schnabel 

> Hi,
>
> in our latest SC-Call we discussed the issue about taking and publishing
> Screenshots on windows. As we had no quorum in the call, I'd ask every SC
> member / deputy to vote on the statement we agreed in the call.
>
> The statement is:
>
> It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a
> legal risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is
> deemed low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default
> ones, screenshots on Windows are also possible.
>
>
> Meeting minutes are at:
> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/TDF/**Steering_Committee_Meetings#**
>Minutes_2011-07-13<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-07-13>
>>
>
> regards,
>
> André
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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-07-19 11.56:

-1 as this was not what we discussed in the call. This is missing the 
recommendation to use Linux screenshots (as we acknoledged, that there might be 
a very low risk otherwise).


yes, indeed, that's what we discussed during the call. Maybe Olivier, 
you can elaborate on what the concrete problem is?


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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Andre Schnabel]

Hi,

-1 as this was not what we discussed in the call. This is missing the 
recommendation to use Linux screenshots (as we acknoledged, that there might be 
a very low risk otherwise).

André

> - Ursprüngliche Nachricht -
> Von: Olivier Hallot
> Gesendet: 19.07.11 11:55 Uhr
> An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots 
> in TDF materials
> 
> HI Florian
> 
> And my vote is +1
> 
> Regards
> 
> Em 19-07-2011 05:57, Florian Effenberger escreveu:
> > Hello,
> >
> > David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-18 20.04:
> >> May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was
> >> "Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials
> >> for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform,
> >> notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems
> >> and graphical user interfaces."
> >
> > Olivier, would this also comfort you, is this in the direction you 
> > were thinking?
> >
> > Florian
> >
> 
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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Olivier Hallot]

HI Florian

And my vote is +1

Regards

Em 19-07-2011 05:57, Florian Effenberger escreveu:

Hello,

David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-18 20.04:

May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was
"Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials
for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform,
notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems
and graphical user interfaces."


Olivier, would this also comfort you, is this in the direction you 
were thinking?


Florian



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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Jonathan Aquilina]

[SNIP]

I am just thinking out loud here, if the UI is majorly the same across 
all platforms why not just use linux for the screen shots, that way the 
TDF wont have to worrie about copyright infringment etc from windows and 
mac? At least the TDF can rest assured no legal action will be taken if 
linux is used.


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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-18 20.04:

May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was
"Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials
for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform,
notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems
and graphical user interfaces."


Olivier, would this also comfort you, is this in the direction you were 
thinking?


Florian

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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Italo Vignoli]

On 7/18/11 7:22 PM, André Schnabel wrote:

> It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of
> a legal risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the
> risk is deemed low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be
> the default ones, screenshots on Windows are also possible.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[André Schnabel]

Hi Olivier,

so somewone should find a better wording, maybe discuss this again 
within the SC and then call for a vote.


regards,

André

Am 18.07.2011 20:01, schrieb Olivier Hallot:

Hi André

The wording does not let it clear if MSWindows screenshots are to be used or
not ("legal risk", "deemed low risk", "should be", "possible").

Olivier

2011/7/18 André Schnabel


Hi,

Am 18.07.2011 19:30, schrieb Olivier Hallot:

  Hi

my vote is to use MS Windows screenshots, for windows-only situations (as
in
the install)


Well .. that would be quite hard to document as a formal decision.

Do you actually agree on the wording we have in the meeting minutes or do
we need further discussion?


Regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[David Nelson]

Hi,

My apologies for interrupting an SC vote in progress, but I feel the
motion itself is somewhat ambiguous... Either screenshots taken under
Windows are allowed or else they're not, but it leaves room for a lot
of unfair twisting if (in the event that the ultimate decision was a
"+1") you have this "caveat" that "screenshots on GNU/Linux should be
the default ones".

May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was
"Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials
for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform,
notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems
and graphical user interfaces."

This would be unambiguous and unequivocal...

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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi André

The wording does not let it clear if MSWindows screenshots are to be used or
not ("legal risk", "deemed low risk", "should be", "possible").

Olivier

2011/7/18 André Schnabel 

> Hi,
>
> Am 18.07.2011 19:30, schrieb Olivier Hallot:
>
>  Hi
>> my vote is to use MS Windows screenshots, for windows-only situations (as
>> in
>> the install)
>>
>
> Well .. that would be quite hard to document as a formal decision.
>
> Do you actually agree on the wording we have in the meeting minutes or do
> we need further discussion?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> André
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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

Am 18.07.2011 19:30, schrieb Olivier Hallot:

Hi
my vote is to use MS Windows screenshots, for windows-only situations (as in
the install)


Well .. that would be quite hard to document as a formal decision.

Do you actually agree on the wording we have in the meeting minutes or 
do we need further discussion?


Regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi
my vote is to use MS Windows screenshots, for windows-only situations (as in
the install)
Thanks and regards

2011/7/18 André Schnabel 

> Hi,
>
> in our latest SC-Call we discussed the issue about taking and publishing
> Screenshots on windows. As we had no quorum in the call, I'd ask every SC
> member / deputy to vote on the statement we agreed in the call.
>
> The statement is:
>
> It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a
> legal risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is
> deemed low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default
> ones, screenshots on Windows are also possible.
>
>
> Meeting minutes are at:
> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/TDF/**Steering_Committee_Meetings#**
> Minutes_2011-07-13
>
> regards,
>
> André
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Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials

[André Schnabel]

So .. casting my vote

Am 18.07.2011 19:22, schrieb André Schnabel:

The statement is:

It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence 
of a legal risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but 
the risk is deemed low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux 
should be the default ones, screenshots on Windows are also possible.



+1

André

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