Re: More Fiber
At 05:19 PM 8/4/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: Since I just posted about legumes, I thought I'd pass on this bit about upping the fiber in our diets: http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/81146.htm ...But even if you have the will to eat more fiber, you almost certainly don't have the way. Especially since the recommended daily dosage was recently raised from 25 to a throat-choking 38 grams. The obvious solution -- eating 19 slices of whole-wheat bread a day -- isn't practical. What you need instead is subterfuge. Dietary deception. In other words, this plan for smuggling more roughage into your life. Whenever you read an article that says you need more fiber, after you're done reading, eat the newspaper. Has To Be Healthier _And_ Taste Better Than Some So-Called Health Foods Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/71/81186.htm ...The data come from 85,118 healthy women studied since 1976 in The Nurses Health Study. Boston Children's Hospital researcher Stavroula K. Osganian, MD, and colleagues found that those women who took vitamin C supplements had lower risk of heart disease. It's a modest effect. Use of vitamin C supplements lowered heart disease risk by 28%. But every little bit helps. Protection came from rather small doses of vitamin C -- up to about 700 mg per day, including dietary sources such as fruit juice. That's no megadose. But it's 10 times the current Recommended Daily Allowance for women... Debbi Wading Through The Backlog Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Rush Limbaugh Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil ofprice discrimination
At 02:21 PM 8/4/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't doubt that Limbaugh makes mistakes. He speaks for, what, 2 hours a day, five days a week, 40+ weeks a year, without a script? Actually, it is three hours a day. FAIR, by the way, is a partisan organization whose sole purpose in life is to bash Republicans in the media. _Of course_ he makes mistakes. I have a memory for policy minutiae that verges on the photographic, and I make mistakes on this list. I shudder to think how many I would make speaking as much as he does, without the chance to Google for research. Have _you_ ever listened to Limbaugh? Clearly Reggie does not. The idea that people listen to Rush to gobble up lies for three hours a day is patently absurd - especially considering the ratio of even what FAIR considers to be lies to his hours on the air. He's not popular because he lies, he's popular because, first, he's a gifted entertainer, and second, because he speaks to people in a voice that is almost nonexistent in other forms of the mass media - the voice of a patriotic middle American. Not something you can get on NPR - and I _do_ listen to NPR a lot. Limbaugh, like Fox News, is popular because he brilliantly figured out how to provide something that the market wasn't - not unbiased news, but news that lacked the pervasive liberal bias of most of the mass media. With all that being said, I disagree with the above. Rush does not succeed because he provides news. He succeeds because he provides commentary, political humor, and oddly enough news items. Moreover, he does all of these exceptionally well, and with a flair for entertainment. Furthermore, when Rush first broke onto the scene in 1988, the commentary he provided - mainstream conservative - was virtually unvailable on the airwaves, making it all the more a phenomenon for his listeners. As for Fox News, Fox News does succeed in part because it is perceived by many as providing news without the liberal bias of essentially all other mainstream media sources - but a look at Fox News' lineup shows that it also succeeds primarily by producing commentary.Moreover, its commentary is strongly right-wing - showing that it does, of course, understand its audience. Cable News Viewers are heavily white and middle-aged, demographics which skew Republican, and Fox News provides the commentary that these viewers most respond to - filling a television void that had inexplicable gone unfilled so far. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Bester News
From scifi.com: Australian director Andrew Dominik (Chopper) will develop and direct Paramount's The Demolished Man, based on SF author Alfred Bester's best-selling book of the same name, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The book tells the story of a future society in which telepaths are used to detect crimes before they happen, the trade paper reported. No writers or producers are attached to the project yet, the trade paper reported. Dominik will oversee the development of the script. For those of you who don't know, Alfred Bester wrote Green Lantern for most of the 1950's (and in fact created the Green Lantern Oath) as well as non-superhero novels and short stories. The Babylon 5 character Al Bester was named after this author, and much of the PsiCorp was based on _The Demolished Man_. Reggie Bautista Trivia-R-Us Maru _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Did you catch the noon Paul Harvey, Debbi?
In a message dated 8/4/2003 3:00:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And does the owner end up broken on the wheel or some similar hideous medieval torture? Yes to wheel, no to Chuckie Baby. I think even the remake was an all German cast. IMDB info is rather sparse. Dang! I don't have another obscure I-love-horses movie to reference. William Taylor On, Tachabrun, on! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The seven habits of highly ineffective list-subscribers
At 06:18 PM 8/4/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:01:25PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: If it is obvious that someone interprets your comments as insulting, why not change tack and use a different approach? Bad question. I won't answer questions like this beginning with why not. That is a cop out. If you want, make your POSITIVE point. Okay, POSITIVE point: Try listening more and arguing less. You might learn something. Even if it's just that you don't know everything. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Ayatollah Khomeini's grandson on Iran and Iraq
Holy cow - not at all what I'd have expected the Ayatolla's cleric grandson to say. It gives me a bit more hope for Iran's future. (Funny - I found this article while surfing through a chain of blog links, but it's from a local newspaper from where I grew up.) http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/105997525225580.xml Kin of Khomeini turns to U.S. for military help in freeing Iran Late cleric's grandson praises America for liberating Iraq and relieving people's suffering Monday, August 04, 2003 BY BORZOU DARAGAHI SPECIAL TO THE STAR-LEDGER Baghdad, Iraq -- The grandson of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the fiery cleric who launched an anti-American Islamic revolution in Iran that sparked 25 years of unrest in the Gulf region, yesterday condemned Iran's clerical regime and suggested United States military intervention in Iran as a possible path to liberation for his country. In Iran, the people really need freedom and freedom must come about. Freedom is more important than bread, said Hussein Khomeini. The 45-year-old cleric said that if there's no way for freedom in Iran other than American intervention, I think the people would accept that. I would accept it, too, because it's in accord with my faith. The young Khomeini -- here ostensibly on a religious pilgrimage to Shi'a holy sites in Najaf, Karbala and Baghdad -- praised the U.S. takeover of Iraq. I see day-by-day that (Iraq) is on the path to improvement, he said. I see that there's security, that the people are happy, that they've been released from suffering. The United States has accused the clerical regime in Tehran of harboring terrorists, trying to build nuclear weapons and oppressing its own people. Conservatives in Washington have called for the ouster of the Iranian leadership following American military successes in Afghanistan and Iran. The United States has a long, tangled history with Iran that precedes the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Back then, followers of the young Khomeini's grandfather stormed the American embassy and kept employees hostage for more than a year. These days, the United States accuses Iran of attempting to subvert post-war Iraq by allowing militants to enter the country, broadcasting destabilizing propaganda and using its pull with Shi'a clerics to rouse the Iraqi populace. The newly established Iraqi governing council already has begun meeting with representatives from Tehran. Iranian deputy foreign minister Hussein Sadeghi visited Iraq several days ago, meeting with Iraqi officials, said Adnan Pachachi, Iraq's former foreign minister and a leading member of the nation's 25-member governing council. We discussed all aspects of relations between the two countries, Pachachi said. Hussein Khomeini crossed the Iranian border into occupied Iraq about a month ago in a visit rife with irony. Iran and Iraq have been regional rivals for decades. Iraq harbored Ayatollah Khomeini after the Shah of Iran kicked him out of the country. During his exile in the Iraqi city of Najaf , Khomeini's grandfather, a high-level cleric, masterminded a revolution that ousted the Shah of Iran and established the world's first modern-day theocracy. Iran and Iraq fought a brutal war from 1980 to 1988 that left 1 million dead and strained relations between the two countries. Nearly 25 years later, the grandson has returned to the country where he resided from 1963 to 1978 and begun speaking out against the legacy of that revolution. A longtime reformist silenced and shut out of Iran's conservative inner circle of power, Khomeini confined his critiques of the Islamic Republic to scholarly rather than political arguments. He said a religious government can only come once the 12th Shi'a prophet Mahdi -- who disappeared in the 9th century -- returns. The young Khomeini argues for the separation of religion and state and criticized velayet-e-faqih -- the religious doctrine mandating Iranian Shi'a clerics as God's representative on earth and giving them near-absolute power Although he says he has yet to meet with any American officials, Khomeini's positions might lift the spirits of U.S. officials in Iraq struggling to win the hearts and minds of Iraqi Shi'as, who make up 60 percent of the population. He condemned Saddam Hussein's regime and criticized those countries opposed to the war against Iraq's Ba'athist government as ignorant of the conditions under which Iraqis were suffering. The people here were subject to crimes unprecedented in world history, he said. He said nationalism has no basis in religious doctrine, and freedom was more important than independence from foreign rule. Freedom is a basic right. It supersedes all, he said. Iran's conservative clerics have used their stranglehold over Islamic doctrine to impose medieval conditions on Iranians, forcing women to cover their heads and punishing dissidents for heresy.
RE: Scouted: Bester News
From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From scifi.com: Australian director Andrew Dominik (Chopper) will develop and direct Paramount's The Demolished Man, based on SF author Alfred Bester's best-selling book of the same name, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The book tells the story of a future society in which telepaths are used to detect crimes before they happen, Didn't they already make this movie? The one with Tom Cruise? The name of which escapes me at the moment but I'm sure you know what I mean... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: More Fiber
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brinl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: More Fiber Debbi who despises bran cereal, however good it is for her :P Have you ever tried Cracklin' Oat Bran? I eat the stuff like candy. Its fairly sweet and quite tasty. Therefore it must be bad for you. xponent The Opposite Of Grape Nuts Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Bester News
Reggie Bautista said: From scifi.com: Australian director Andrew Dominik (Chopper) will develop and direct Paramount's The Demolished Man, based on SF author Alfred Bester's best-selling book of the same name, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The book tells the story of a future society in which telepaths are used to detect crimes before they happen, the trade paper reported. This sounds similar to the storyline of _Minority Report_. Patrick Patrick Schlichtenmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Be silly. Be honest. Be kind. -Ralph Waldo Emerson - Get your FREE email address at www.gogoworld.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The seven habits of highly ineffective list-subscribers
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:07:13PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Okay, POSITIVE point: Try listening more and arguing less. You might learn something. Nope, I learn more by arguing. By the way, that isn't really a point, it is more of an order. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Bester News
At 12:07 PM 8/5/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:41:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't they already make this movie? The one with Tom Cruise? The name of which escapes me at the moment but I'm sure you know what I mean... - jmh Ahem. It is a rare occasion when you can state to someone on this list, without fear of flame, that: You don't know Dick. :-) You're thinking of Minority Report, one of many movie adaptations of P. K. Dick. There as many or more points of change between The Demolished Man and Minority Report than between Earth and the Core. William Taylor Rushing to get in before another smartass answers. Why did my ears suddenly start burning? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Why Dumb Commentators Sell Books
Anne Applebaum reviews Ann Coulter's _Treason_ and muses: Still, it isn't hard to imagine using the same methods to write the same book from precisely the opposite point of view, and indeed someone has already done it: Michael Moore, in Stupid White Men. Moore's book calls for U.N. observers to monitor American elections, accuses pretty much everyone on the right of corruption and venality - - and has been a major bestseller both here and in Britain. The real question, then, is not what makes so many people buy books by Ann Coulter, but what makes so many people lap up the Coulter-Bruce-Moore formula. Perhaps it's a longing for clarity, a reflection of the deep human need to find a straight path through the modern jungle of information. Perhaps it's laziness. We all have media overload nowadays -- too many sides of the story are too easily available. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40170-2003Jul24.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: good olde fashioned bible burning
The Fool wrote: Church leaders say any Bible besides the King James version that they use, are distractions. Gee, nothing like a group of people so ignorant that they favor a less-accurate translation to the point of *burning* a more-accurate one Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: More Fiber
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More Fiber Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:45:11 -0500 G. D. Akin wrote: Robert SeebergerWrote: Debbi who despises bran cereal, however good it is for her :P Have you ever tried Cracklin' Oat Bran? I eat the stuff like candy. Its fairly sweet and quite tasty. Therefore it must be bad for you. I used to eat it because it was (still is I'm sure), but it has more calories than most bran cereals and had more fat too, IIRC. I'm currently eating a lot of Honey Nut Mini-wheats. I also drink 4 ounces of prune juice a day . . . hey, I'm almost 53 and it HELPS! I generally don't eat cold cereal. I make toast with whole-wheat bread and eat *that*. (Most cold cereals contain a preservative that disagrees with my intestines. Cheerios are OK, Honey Nut Cheerios are OK, and the various brands that Whole Foods carries are OK, but that's about it.) Plus I eat my veggies. Nothing like good fibrous veggies to help keep you regular. and then there are the threads that were better off being left in the 'to-be-read' file. :) Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Scouted: Bester News
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/5/2003 8:41:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't they already make this movie? The one with Tom Cruise? The name of which escapes me at the moment but I'm sure you know what I mean... - jmh You're thinking of Minority Report, one of many movie adaptations of P. K. Dick. There as many or more points of change between The Demolished Man and Minority Report than between Earth and the Core. Not having read either one, I'm sure there is a world of difference. But the general public is going to say, been there, done that. Or, why the heck are they remaking Minority Report. Just seems like bad timing to me... But what do I know... - jmh Now I Do Know What I Don't Know Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hyperion - The Motion Picture
Maybe I Should Read The Book Maru No maybe. I'd put Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion up there with The Anubis Gates, His Dark Materials, and just a very few others as among the ten best books I've ever read. I consider Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion to be essentially one book that got published in two parts. I remember reading Hyperion and coming to the end and thinking - huh? Wha hoppen? That's IT? I did not know that it immediately continued in Fall of Hyperion; which, fortunately, I was able to find a copy of almost the next day and thus was not doomed to hellish frustration. A good film adaptation could be eye-popping and mind-blowing. But since when has Scorsese shown any interest in skiffy? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 10:11 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: --- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snipped paragraph of lingua-babble head jerks up from obfuscationist-babble-induced near-coma That's not obfuscationist babble, that's jargon! The Chomsky Hierarchy Regular languages- Finite automata Context-free languages- Pushdown automata Context-sensitive languages - Linear bounded automata Recursively enumerable languages - Turing machines scratches head And if I understood your response, would I understand the jargon? ;) Possibly. It made *some* sense to me, anyway. However, I'm not sure on the pushdown automata and the linear bounded automata myself. Anyone care to explain? :) A pushdown automaton has an auxiliary stack, a linear bounded automaton is a Turing machine where the tape size is a constant multiple of the input size. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: More Fiber
George A wrote: I also drink 4 ounces of prune juice a day . . . hey, I'm almost 53 and it HELPS! Prune juice... a Warrior's drink. from Yesterday's Enterprise. :-) By the way, while trying to find the name of the episode, I ran across this website of Martha Stewart meets Trek: http://www.mrsmegabyte.com/startrek.html The less said about this one, the better. Reggie Bautista _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Polish, stupidity myth
Ouch! At what point during the war did this happen? Very early in the war (like Sept 1939). After the Fall of Poland I don't think the Polish deployed large units of horse cavalry...at least not the Free Polish serving in Western Europe. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. Now Building: Esci/Italeri's M60A1 Patton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The seven habits of highly ineffective list-subscribers
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 05:52:03PM +0530, Ritu wrote: Nope. Orders don't begin with 'Try'. Had that been an order, it would have read: 'Listen more and argue less...'. Bzzzt. Try again. Orders can begin with try. Try means to do something but not necessarily expect complete success. Try this can certainly be an order. Your listening, but not, listening. Why else would you quible about the clasification of a sentence. Does it really change the infomration? Do you asume yourself to be in such a leadership position here that you get to dictate the way subscribers construct their sentences? You know, trying to comunicate with you reminds me an aufull lot of being presented with Lisa. At first is seems quite amazing, but then, a bit annoying, and finaly, simply too predictable to bother. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin: the next wave in IT outsourcing: chimps
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/32143.html Outsourcing firm hires chimps By Drew Cullen Posted: 04/08/2003 at 12:41 GMT Did you know that Visual Basic 6.O is the preferred programming language of chimpanzees? No, what about recent research in primate programming suggests computing is a task that most higher primates can easily perform? Us neither. Primate Programming Inc, of Des Moines, Iowa has leveraged this innate talent to teach programming skills to primates and to resell their services. If you thought Russian programmers were too cheap, you'll lose the plot with Primate Programming. Its charge-out costs for software maintenance and report writing start at 69 cents per hour. Software testing, it says, requires less skill and this service starts at 45 cents per hour. You can find out more about this fascinating company at Primate Programming Inc: The Evolution of Java and .NET Training. http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/main.asp While we are on the subject of primates check out The Monkey Shakespeare Simulator. The current record is the first six letters from King John. Can you do better? http://user.tninet.se/~ecf599g/aardasnails/java/Monkey/webpages/index.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:46 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words At 09:25 PM 7/22/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which of course is what this all about.So many Democrats turned a blind eye to Clinton's perjury But this is where you are precisely wrong John. No democrat defended Clinton this. Not one said he was right Au contraire a great many noted that any man would lie about adultery. Cite please. I'm unaware of any democratic or republican politico who said 'What he did was right, and lying about it was expected and acceptable.' Just because a late night talk show comedian like Bill Maher says it doesn't mean he is speaking for the American people. The statement Any man would lie about adultery does not require that Clinton's actions were right and acceptable, just understandable, and for most people, they were understandable. Being understandable only means that there can be some leniency in the punishment for one's transgressions, but they still remain wrong, and one still should be punished for them. The impeachment movement seemed to ignore this in order to pursue the maximum punishment available, and failed. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
